ps3 gamepad is so much better for control ect in lfs and is easy to setup using motionjoy, just grab the offline version, ive driven nearly 100.000 laps using one and even now il use one instead of my g27 for fbm bl1

EDIT : Official Version 0.6P is now available!
https://www.lfs.net/patch-6p


WARNING : THIS IS A TEST

NOTE : THIS DOES NOT CONTAIN NEW TYRE PHYSICS OR ANY NEW CONTENT

PLEASE TEST BEFORE YOU POST

PLEASE AVOID : OFF-TOPIC FEATURE REQUESTS / UNRELATED COMMENTS


Hello Racers,

Here is a new TEST PATCH : 0.6N7

- Support for the new Oculus 1.3 software and Rift CV1
- OpenVR support updated to 0.9.19
- Various improvements to controller support (see below)

0.6N7 is fully compatible with 0.6N

- You can connect online with 0.6N
- You can play replays from 0.6N

You cannot upload hotlaps made with this test patch because it is only a test patch, not an official patch.

Please keep a backup of your LFS.exe from 0.6N so you can easily go back if there are any problems.


Changes from 0.6N6 to 0.6N7 :

Translations :

Many translations updated. Thank you translators!

VR :

Default HUD field of view is now 70 degrees / HUD distance 0.5m
Improved centralisation of one-eye monitor view on desktop window
Auto-updater is avoided in VR mode and helpful options are offered
Crosshairs are always visible when watching a training replay


Changes from 0.6N4 to 0.6N6 :

VR :

Fixed an error in calculation of Rift's vertical FOV
The intro replay is avoided if LFS is started in VR mode
LFS now pauses and hides crosshairs when Rift focus is lost
OpenVR support updated to 0.9.19

Controllers :

RGT wheel should now be identified as a Thrustmaster

Misc :

Added left and right arrows to the "Look function" option
Music in setup screens is no longer enabled by default


Changes from 0.6N3 to 0.6N4 :

Controllers :

Controllers with 5 axes now default to combined brake / throttle
Combined brake / throttle axis now defaults to correct direction
Automatically set Clutch setting to axis if wheel has clutch pedal
Automatic preset is now attempted on first of multiple controllers
Controller screen in game now shows correct pedals and steer gauge
New joystick look mode using two axes to control look direction
Arrow keys can now be assigned to wheel buttons (default D-pad)
Default 900 degrees turn for Logitech G25 / G27 / Driving Force
Attempted reasonable presets for Thrustmaster and DFGT wheels
A scroll bar appears if there are more than 16 available axes
Removed axis calibration system that had various problems
You can now type in the active range of an axis function
Typed range can exceed input range to reduce axis effect
Look Roll axis function now has a full 360 degree range


Changes from 0.6N2 to 0.6N3 :

VR :

Rift headphones are now used for sound output (default setting)
Rift remote can now be used for click / escape / virtual keyboard
Improved appearance of top row (ESC / F keys) of virtual keyboard

Controllers :

Controllers may now be plugged in and detected after LFS is started
Refresh button to detect controllers in Options - Controls screen
Controllers are now sorted (not dependent on order of connection)
Separate controller type setting for with / without controllers
Automatic controls assignment for various game controllers
Warning when you press ESC to exit controller setup screen
Button functions are now easier to see when in car

Fixes :

Axis names were previously displayed wrongly in Options - Controls
It was possible to enter a state where chat box could not be opened


Changes from 0.6N to 0.6N2 :

VR :

New LFSRiftVR DLL supports Oculus 1.3 software
IPD slider movement is now detected and message displayed
Now correctly handles CV1's different up and down FOV values
User can now cause LFS to exit through the Oculus software


INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS :

A FULL version of LFS 0.6N must already be installed

To install the PATCH using the SELF EXTRACTING ARCHIVE :

1) Move or save the patch into your main LFS folder
2) Double click the patch to extract it to that folder
3) When you see "Confirm File Replace" select "Yes to All"
4) Now you can start LFS in the normal way

NOTE : You can see if the patch is correctly installed when you run
the program (LFS.exe). At the bottom of the entry screen : 0.6N7


DOWNLOADS :


EDIT : Official Version 0.6P is now available!
https://www.lfs.net/patch-6p


PATCH 0.6N TO 0.6N7 (SELF EXTRACTING ARCHIVE) (if you already have 0.6N) :
www.lfs.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_PATCH_6N_TO_6N7.exe (1.3 MB)

PATCH 0.6N TO 0.6N7 (ALTERNATIVE ZIP) (if you already have 0.6N) :
www.lfs.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_PATCH_6N_TO_6N7.zip (1.6 MB)

Last edited by Scawen, Sat 16 Apr 2016, 14:38.

It turns out, whoever was in the Oculus with the G27 handily beat whoever was on the big TV with the G25. I'm sure I could get used to driving on a monitor and get on pace again, as that's how I used to do it anyway, but after a few months of using the Rift, it feels somewhat detached and remote playing on a 2D plane out in front of you. Maybe I just need to play about with the FOV to get the same sense of speed back or something. Maybe it's just psychological, but there was a clear advantage for both of us being on one setup vs the other, even with identical wheel settings etc.

His PC now just needs a PSU and a GPU, and later on in the year, whichever VR headset seems to be looking the better option. Then we can have a proper fight.

What part of "WORKS ON PC WITH SELECTED TITLES" is difficult to understand ?????

Please define "SELECTED". Here is the standard definition.

select
sɪˈlɛkt/Submit
verb
past tense: selected; past participle: selected
carefully choose as being the best or most suitable.
synonyms: choose, pick, hand-pick, single out, pick out, sort out, take, opt for, decide on, settle on, set, fix, fix on, adopt, determine, designate, name, nominate, appoint, elect, specify, stipulate, prefer, favour.

Pointless argument really, if this wheel actually works then we wouldn't have no end of people saying it doesn't, and also saying the new software doesn't work to allow users to create profiles.

So, you all claim it works, thats fantastic. That will stop any one else saying it doesn't work as the G25/G27 did then. .

I fully expect to never to hear again that this wheel doesn't work.
As, I don't have one and really don't care about this Logitech rubbish.

I'm sure you can all explain to all the users having issues with the G920 not working with 'non select games' exactly how to get it working. I will point people to pm you for the solution.
As you claim there is no issue.

Last edited by Racer X NZ, Tue 1 Mar 2016, 09:44.

I've played ...project cars? with the occulus thingee. No. I didn't buy them. I'm not spending $600 to play a video game. It's all to do with my son and his job. I don't know the name of half the crap. Anyways, those goggles really change the way the game is played in many aspects. I could see it beneficial in racing games as you can look around and see the other drivers instead of fumbling for buttons.
What's really cool is roller coaster sims. Man that's a blast with those things. I figure with smart phones, the price for this gadget will fall.
I also see a whole lot of potential of this technology besides just fancier video games.
I wonder if I should put LFS on his computer. He lives in the same house, uses the same router, Has a G27 too.... Nah. His wife would kill me.

"I too emailed the CEO.
Reading the responses (which are quite patronising) it looks like they are still not accepting responsibilty for their shoddy software support.

It's your fault Logitech, not the developers, not ours.
Write some drivers for your hardware and it would be brilliant.

Make the drivers and profiler have the same features as the old one for the G25 and G27.

Actually read the posts that are being made here by many people."

MadCatX,

I am reading many posts on many forums regarding this G920 wheel and clearly you need to post your solution widely as you seem to be the only person on the internet who has a solution to peoples issues with this wheel and creating working profiles for many games. I am yet to find any information , even from logitech, to resolve this issue.

For everyone else, the new software removes much of the abilities the old profiler had.

If you could post simple instructions on creating a game profile with the new software that would be great, If I cross post you solution I will credit you for this fix (TPPA et al)

(This thread is already being picked up by Google re the G920)

Last edited by Racer X NZ, Sun 28 Feb 2016, 07:40.

So you should talk to Logitech and tell them that they are WRONG !

The G29 and the G920 are DIFFERENT WHEELS, Hardware, firmware etc !!!!!
G29 is PC and PS4, G920 is XBOX with LIMITED PC SUPPORT. Just because Windoze and XBOX are both Microfloppy doesn't mean they are capable of working together well.
Hell, Microfloppy have lost the plot with 10 several times so......

SO, ARE YOU RUNNING A G920 ?
Yes or No...... ?

Logitech are the ones posting this, and your the one saying I'm wrong for linking to their posts and that Logitech are lying ..........

One of us is clearly an idiot.

Right, it's clearly me for linking to Logitech's posts and you are absolutely right, as your posting from a position of complete ignorance.
There, feel better now ?

And so, for the rest of us in the real world, back to reality, if you have a G920, download the latest updates as they will include your profiles for the latest updates for games. And the firmware update. And keep checking for later updates.

My advice would be to ignore logitech and stump up the exta to Thrustmaster for a 150 or 300.

Or get a G29, or a G27 (As I have) then this latest rubbish does not apply. FYI if you have a G27, DO NOT download the new software. If you search on the site for G27 it points at this software, if you look at the details, it does not work with the G27.

Stuff this farce Logitech, I suggest that you you want a wheel, just save up for Thrustmaster wheel.

But, then you get to deal with their pedals, (wots a clutch ?) which was why I got a G27 (And the G29 extra US$80 shifter is free with that) ........

Last edited by Racer X NZ, Sat 27 Feb 2016, 07:31.

I have Formula mod for G27 wheel. Unfortunately it is almost certain that there will be only 10 amounts of this wheel, there is only 7 left for sale.

If you are interested in buing it, please contact me: [email protected]
See pictures on fcb profile "Polsimer" here: https://www.facebook.com/Polsimer-583507138472332/

- aluminum base
- high quality buttons (aluminum)
- new paddles, closer to base frame (something beetween DFGT and G27)
- no mechanical or electrical interference to oryginal wheel, you can alway back to your normal wheel without any problems
- much better lights than standard G27, made by specialy formed transparent plastic
- wheel is narrower than standard G27 which let you make quicker reactions
- grips made of natural leather

Here you can watch video with this wheel, sorry for the quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34hk_FhLj1Y

Last edited by Hydyne, Sat 20 Feb 2016, 16:01.

Bit of a long read, but I'm proud of the tricks that an old dog has learned.

My dad is 56, and in the last year has gone from someone that couldn't even watch my younger brothers play Gran Turismo on the TV without feeling sick, to playing LFS in a Rift for about an hour to an hour and a half, nearly every night, for the last 6 months.

I taught him the basics last year, starting off in Gran Turismo 6 on my Logitech G25. He could only do 10-15 minutes every other day as it made him feel ill, but he wanted to beat a lap time my younger brother had set.

About the same time as that, a friend of mine introduced us to AutoSolo events, and because AutoSolo events in the UK are pretty much marketing for MX-5's, he ended up buying one. His previous car preferences were big German automatic power barges. He was shifting it at about 3500rpm, and in the wet on his first track day, he was black flagged because he seemed to have no idea what to do when losing traction, and was fishtailing close to the barriers quite a bit. It didn't really knock his confidence, but it made him realise he needed to pretty much learn to drive again for this kind of environment. I would never let him drive my car by himself, because I knew that if it started to go wrong, it would be in a barrier.

He ended up buying himself a G27, and stuck with GT6 on PS3. I set it up as best I could with all assistance turned off, wheel set to simulation, track edge grip set to 'Real', no slicks etc.

I then gave him simple laptime targets to aim for, on short tracks. When he'd beat it, I'd up the target, and wait a week or so for him to get there. I'd also watch and see where he was going wrong, which at the start was everywhere, but rather than saturate him with all the things he's doing wrong, I picked just one thing per week or so to try, promising him it should net enough laptime to hit the target.

It started off as simply changing gear too late and being on the limiter. Then it was using all the track on exit. Then on being wide before entry. After each new tip, he'd find better laptime, and then hit a wall where he'd get no faster, and then I'd observe and pick another one of his original faults to get him to focus on. The next I think was trail braking, and not having dead pedals. Another second shaved off.

A bit later on I wanted to try him on a less forgiving racing simulator, to see how he'd fair. I managed to get hold of a pretty dated gaming PC, just about good enough to racing sims. He wanted to drive in an MX-5, so at the time all I had was iRacing. He struggled badly at first, but after a couple of weeks of not giving up, he was comfortable in it.
Then I got Assetto Corsa, and set him a challenge to learn the Nordschleife, the MX-5 community project car for AC sweetened the deal. He spent a few months then doing nothing but the Nordschleife in an MX-5. His first goal was under 10 minutes, because that seems to be the standard measure. He did that and more. He also now knows the track from memory.

Then came the Oculus Rift.

I first tried one of these at a LAN party my older brother invited me to. It was running LFS, an old friend for me. I was blown away by it. I went home early the same day just to go convince my dad to go halves on one and place an order as soon as possible.

He first go on it, and he felt disappointed, it made him feel sick, he nearly fell out of his chair and accidentally punched my younger brother out of fear who was standing at the side of him, when going into a barrier.

He couldn't touch it for a couple of days, still feeling sick.
Not wanting to feel like I'd used him and his money to get something he couldn't use himself, I told him it was normal to be like that, and you just need to do a couple of minutes each day to build up to it.

What motivates my dad is a target laptime that he's only just slightly away from. About the only racing sim his PC had the power to run comfortably was LFS. iRacing was stuttering, Assetto Corsa was badly implemented and unclear and smudgey. LFS was unusually perfect, sitting at a rock solid 75fps no matter what.


After a few weeks, my made up advice actually seemed to work! He could do increasingly longer stints and come off it feeling fine.
I picked South City Classic as his track—I pick small ones because if you make a mistake, you get to have another go in less than a minute again—and I put him in an LX-6, just because I think if you can drive that effectively, you can a little MX-5 in real life. I also wanted to really challenge him.

The last time he drove his MX-5 at a track day, he was a danger to himself if anything were to go wrong. He was also slow. On AutoSolo's he was understeering or spinning out.

He kept practicing on LFS in the Oculus, trying to learn how to catch the LX-6 when the back end started to break away, usually wrenching the wheel and being spat out the opposite way. Exactly what I wanted him to experience, and why I chose the LX-6.

Next AutoSolo event, which he'd entered as an AutoTest entry, he won the AutoTest and got a little trophy, and was quicker than my older brother, a "car guy".

All the while he'd been playing racing sims, I'd drummed into him that there is no innate talent, just time spent "bum in seat" and practicing. Another encouraging made up lie that I only really half believed. It seemed to have stuck though, as he's been practicing religiously.

When Rockingham released (where we actually do our autosolos, and he did his second slightly better track day) he wanted to learn the track properly, in something similar to his MX-5, in preparation for a track day this year. I put him in an LX-4 (faster than an MX-5, but I think it's best to practice in something faster), and gave him another laptime target. He beat my time. I set a new one. He beat that. I set a new one trying my best (not been sim racing for a couple of years now), and he beat me. I then really struggled to beat his lap record, but just pipped it by a few thousandths.

This is where I changed the game.

He was legitimately challenging me on fastest lap time, but I noticed that he'd literally spend 2 hours going around, trying for that one killer lap, with lots of sliding and mistakes along the way. In my trying to beat it, I'd be near it lap after lap.

I then set a challenge of best race time over 8 laps, with the fuel taken out. I didn't want him focusing on the ultimate lap, but on how fast he could do 8 laps in, and told him that the name of the game now is consistency and quality, rather than explosive luck and quantity.

He took off quite calmly, not trying to get the fastest possible lap, but trying to be neat. About 6 laps in, he sets a laptime 6 10ths faster than he'd ever done when trying. He didn't notice, and I didn't bring it to his attention. Lap 7 went by about the same, lap 8 a little slower, but he noticed it was the fastest he'd ever done and was cheering. Laps 9 and 10 were slow as he tried to push hard again thinking he could beat that lap too.

I then had my turn to set a time, 8 laps, and I beat his time by 6 or so seconds, even though my fastest lap was a couple of tenths slower. That seemed to teach him the importance of consistency, and how fluking into a fastest lap after hours of trying, and not having it even near repeatable, isn't much to brag about.

He's been keeping a notepad of his 8 lap times next to the computer, with photographic evidence on his phone of any times he's proud of. His race pace now is about 5 seconds quicker than my first attempt. I think it would take me a couple of hours of getting back into sim racing again to beat him now. I think after a year and a bit of solid practice in racing sims, my dad is currently faster than me... I'm almost scared to try and have a go at beating him again, but will try tonight, and if I can't beat him, then my second little encouraging white lie about practice being everything has turned out to be true too.
Any angle the LX-4 gets to, he's bringing it back. He goes on the grass, he relaxes the tension on the wheel and eases it back on the track. Gets in a spin, and he's locking all the wheels. He's doing EVERYTHING right. He's now only the second person I'd let drive my car without me in it, and not be worried.


The best thing about all of this, is the little MX-5 sitting in the garage, that he's changed the springs, shocks, and roll bars on (following advice of people that race them), he hasn't even had chance to drive it on a track day since becoming the driver he has, and since fitting all those parts.


While my engine was being rebuilt (original FD with 60,000 miles!), he let me use the MX-5 as a run about to get to work, and that thing is absolutely incredible. With its current settings, it is far more balanced, more agile, and more predictable than my FD. It does EVERYTHING you'd expect an LX in LFS to do. The same LX-4/6 my dad has fallen in love with over the last few months, to the point of talking to his friends at work about 'Westfields' and how good they are, not wanting to say he's been playing video games.


He's now building his own dedicated racing sim PC, in preparation for the next gen, higher resolution HMD's.

The last step of the training I wanted to put him through is to load up Rockingham with a load of dumb and slow AI drivers, to see how he copes in traffic. I'm not sure if his current PC will cope with it though. We'll find out tonight.

But yeah, I legitimately think that if me and my dad had a race on Rockingham in the LX-4 now, I'd struggle, and honestly most likely lose. I want to see if I can set that up this weekend, and if I do, I'll be a strange blend of humiliated and proud.

Can't wait for the next track day. He's going to see just how good his little MX-5 is.


The entire point of this thread though, is to thank the LFS developers. I caught my dad last night, after one of his nightly 8 lap runs, really slowly driving his LX-4 into the Rockingham garages, parking it up, turning off the engine, looking around, and then patting the wheel affectionately before getting out of the headset.


He's an LFS addict now, and it's thanks to your excellent and comfortable implementation of VR, the efficiency of your game being able to run on older hardware, the selection of road cars you offer, rather than just racing cars, and the excellently detailed and accurate Rockingham track, which is one he can relate to, down to every detail.
YOUR racing sim, more than any of the others—and I'm happy to buy and enjoy them ALL—has easily had the biggest impact on him.

If LFS development momentum is taking off again, I'd say it's about time for me to get back into it and try and keep up!

Thank you Scavier!

Hi
Do you really want to do completly without mouse & keyboard?
Or just minimize their use?
http://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Keys
http://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Script_Guide
The hotkeys save lots of clicking and scripts can save some keypresses too.
(I like the toggling script example: Combines four keys on keyboard into one button on wheel)

If it is absolutely-super-duper-not possible to use mouse, to two solutions are:
Look for some joystick/gamepad-to-mouse emulator. This one looks good, but I did not try it:
http://atzitznet.no-ip.org/Joy2Mouse3/
"Joystick 2 Mouse 3 let's you control the mouse and keyboard using your joystick or gamepad." - Sounds like what you are looking for.

Second methode via Logitech Profiler. I tested it to use the D-Pad of G27 as mouse:

(D-Pad = the 8-direction thing above the red buttons)

I found option in Profiler to control mouse-clicks, but none for mouse-axes.
But i found trick.

1) In windows turn on the keyboard-mouse. ( http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000542.htm )
This allows to control mouse with the numpad keys.
Turn up the speed & acceleration, at least in windows 7 the defaults felt reaaaaaaaally slow.

2) Use the Logitech profiler to assign the numpad keys to buttons/controlls on your wheel.
Record new keystroke and then assign that keystroke to a button or direction of D-pad.
Sorry, would take too long to write down in details, but it is fairly innuitive.


3) Keyboard-mouse can be turn on/off with numlock key.
So you can even assign "normal" LFS functions to those keys and toggle between LFS-functions or mouse-control.


Technically this worked but it felt slow to use. Perhaps needs practice.
I use USB extension cords for keyboard & mouse..was 1€ each.

LFS Name: wy-always-me
Country: The Netherlands
Preferred Number: 13
License: S2
Drift Experience: About 2 years with the wheel
Controller: Thrustmaster FFB upgrading to logitech G27
Availability: about 1 weekend day and 1 to 2 days of the work week
TimeZone: GMT+1

I mainly drift the XRG, but i am practicing for the XRT

yes in game normal g27.... I tried older versions of LFS and the same problem

Bit obvious but Options/Controls/ Axes/FF then Force Feedback = yes

If that's on then it should work, assuming everything is mapped correctly etc.
I run a G27 and that is all I needed to do
Attached is a snip of my setup screen for my G27.

Last edited by Racer X NZ, Thu 4 Feb 2016, 00:51.

Hello, please - i have G27 and now havent in LFS force feedback (in game "on"), only auto centering spring
other games are ok...

Insim port is set correctly. Fanaleds prints in LFS, although it does say 'insim guest closed: Fanaleds 2.3f' afterwards.

The fanaleds menu shows LFS as running, but car is blank.

G27 mod says;
LFS Version:
InSim version: 0
(ERR)IsThr> Error reading InSim Packet

Which suggests that the insim packets have changed and are no longer readable by the current versions of fanaleds and the G27 mod.

(Both apps previously worked)

Bump.

Is it me or does fanaleds not work with LFS at the moment? Tried to join their forums and couldn't recieve the confirmation email so....

G27 LEDs mod doesn't work either.

I do not see that happening unless some heavy modifications are done?
..I do not think DFGT would ever run with G27 pedals. The only pedals that work with DFGT are the DFGT pedals.

Hey @MadCatX, did you test the mod on 0.6K LFS? I was using Fanaleds for my G27 to use on rFactor, ETS2 and rFactor 2 and it doesn't work on LFS, neither your mod worked for me, can you please help me? I really want this mod to work
EDIT: Sorry for bad english.

hello, I have a problem with my G27.
I'm using G27 with playing LFS. but some weeks ago, LFS doesn't working with G27 connecting.
when I disconnect G27 and run game, I can play with mouse and keyboard. but when G27 connects, there are no force feed back or LFS is stop working.

I tried to uninstall and re-install Logitec Gaming Software, but it makes nothing.
and tried with Device manager, My computer gives BSOD when "searching new device"

G27 is now working with other game(AC,DiRT etc...) so I think this problem is not belong to G27.

I read old thread and tried uninstall Visual C++ or delete some folder. but nothing happens.


Sorry for my bad English, please help me. thank you.

If you put what you learn in the lessons into practice on a LFS cruise server, it can be really decent. I used to play on demo the whole time on my old account with the G27, and it's a really cool place to get a good foundation of driving techniques, so you can go in with a somewhat decent knowledge of them when trying them in a car.

You can use these based on the G27 leds. The 1st value is when the first led light opens. I guess downshifting could be down about 500. And upshift about the same as the 2nd value is the redline.
http://pastebin.com/0SkLctWd

Also there can be a "limit" while turning on how fast it will upshift. Maybe the upshift rpm +100(and some delay) or something?

Also got to say im always staying up to date on this post, watching from my cave! Great progress so far!

Quote from shimon-ifraimov :

euro truck sim
american truck sim

if you still looking for a wheel i have a modded g27 if you want .

I got the G27 now, but I want a simulator of normal car please

Quote from Laxure :

Is there any other simulation games with clutch? NO RACING GAMES

euro truck sim
american truck sim

if you still looking for a wheel i have a modded g27 if you want .

Quote from Laxure :

Is there any cheaper wheels that good enough?

Good thing with the G27 is that it has a clutch pedal and a H-shifter. Something you will struggle to find with cheaper wheels. And the absence of it kind of defeats the purpose of real-life road training. I don't recommend buying anything second hand, wheels(or rather pedals in fact, especially from Logitech) are quite fragile.

Of course, buying a G27 just for training purposes doesn't seem like a very good deal. You might aswell buy a few extra driving lessons instead, and still have some spare money for other stuff. But if you're really interested in playing LFS again(and other sims/games), then yea... it's worth it

Getting used to handle the clutch and those things sure helps you in the first practices you do in a real car, though in the long term, as said above, you'll have to deal with other people, traffic rules, etc.

A G27 makes LFS that more fun, so I would advise to get it anyway hehe