Quote from kaynd :

I have been in situations going up a steep hill with many cars in front of you starting and stopping. You basically slip the clutch all the way up…
Also it is possible to keep the car stable stopped on a small hill by slipping the clutch in low rpm.
I know people doing that a lot, almost in every traffic light, and no one had any problems whatsoever… (I don’t like doing it because I know it stresses the clutch with no reason) I bet none who knows about car abuse that happens a lot when you are around 20-30yold… experienced the clutch getting loose so fast.


In the attached replay you can see the CT bar that gets red in 33 sec of sliping in around 2000-3000rpm with less than 1/5 of the clutch pedal release and less than ¼ of throttle @ an XFG…

Have you ever been in a trafic jam that lasts hours? if you had that kind of clutch in your car you would be off in 10minutes...

I could almost guarantee you that if you do the same thing with a real car, you could have this burning sensation inside the car even faster. You don't stand in a slope with clutch when you got 2000-3000 rpm, it will slip and smell. When pulling off maybe, but it doesn't take that long.

Not saying the clutch model is perfect. I still think it's not easy enough to stall, although starting on full revs and high gears seem to kill the clutch better than I first though. But having your revs all down below 300 and getting away with it seems a bit odd for me. Maybe the next thing on the list should be engine damage.

Quote from mrodgers :

How are people overheating the clutch with just a single race start?

Too long first gear and probably automatic clutch that leaves the clutch half open.


edit. Some clutch standing testing with automatic clutch, cbecause it can find the right point I can't. You can stand there quite a long time I think, had shorter gearing than the default setup and the red didn't feel that worn to be honest.

It's ridiculously hard to do that manually though, the revs just drop to zero like a rock some point. It might be because you can't feel the accelerations with your body of course.

Last edited by Blackout, Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:59.

Quote from JTbo :

Muahahha, wrong move

I can't see speedo of FBM even I wear my glasses and look very closely of screen, I can barely distinquish 7x kph from 8x kph if I look close and hard, but that is about it, so I could say I haven't looked that speedo ever

Well I don't even know how fast that thing goes! I know I did 1:16.73 on Chicane route few minutes ago and to be honest I don't even care. Because I know I was near my limits, and looking the speed in those speeds (whatever they were) doesn't help your time at all.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

They do eh, didn't have the time to test all cars... What about FOX and F08 (sorry, i'm at work, not being lazy)?

Quote from Blackout :

the single seaters, FBM aside, all have ignition cut.

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What about auto blip, so some real cars even have that on auto or you can assign a button for it?? I'm all for realism but if a cup version of Clio for example have an auto cut than i want it for XFR to have it..

I think that for starters, the gearbox should be semi-auto to have automatic blip, like Enzo or F1 car for example. Can't really tell how advanced is the ignition cut, and how common, but you will need to have sequential gearbox for that to work I think. If the car doesn't have that, it can't have the ignition cut either. And I really doubt some entry level racing class would allow such to keep the cost down.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

Maybe remove it for road cars but for XFR, GTR's etc is it real not to have that auto cut option?

Don't actually understand why the small GTR cars don't have sequentials but H-gate. I guess they are considered as lightly modified club racing cars. But FXR and XRR do have ignition cut, which works exactly like auto cut used to. FZR has H-gate, which wouldn't been that unrealistic in a racing Porsche few years ago. It's to balance things out a bit and make it a bit more interesting. And they are on the same level, roughly as GT2 cars, so they are not the most high tech and most advanced cars there are. And the single seaters, FBM aside, all have ignition cut.

Can't how they are that much off to be honest.

Thought this would have been about the gear whine, and isn't that an old topic or has someone been sniffing old Volvo seats too much. :P

Yeah, But I can agree JTbo. On the other hand it's fun to watch people burn up their clutch and then just fly by them. Only if there was smoke or something to indicate that someone is in trouble. It shouldn't be added if it wasn't realistic of course.

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

Oh great, now I have a monitor covered in Coke

Pfff...learn to shift. No problems here whatsoever.

What do you mean outside EU is financial suicide? Weak dollar should more than compensate the tax you might have to pay, if they don't post is as a gift or something. Of course, the stuff is always expensive as hell, so it will hurt your wallet anyway.

You are a bunch of sissy pants! Especially you Kev!




Hasn't been cold here yet, only -4 now. Keeps the snow melting, but I want more! Around -10 is a nice temperature I think.

And some more snow please kthnxbye

Last edited by Blackout, Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:16.

Not that much drivers, which was a shame like Dan said.

Racing wasn't that epic either, in the first race Mauni ran away since the first lap. Managed to fight for the second place for a lap and a half maybe, but was a bit soft in T1 and didn't have the pace to catch up again.

Second race, reversed grid, good start, faster guys behind me had problems and I managed to pull myself to the first place after few laps and stay there.

3rd and 1st for me isn't all that bad considering I had only 10-15 lap practice, well I know the track, but to refresh my mind.

Quote from Franke :

You don't need a replay.

Come to a complete standstill in the XFG, put it in 2nd gear an apply 100% throttle, then clutch is RED before you should change into 3rd...

YES i do know that is not the way to start any car, but still, starting from 2nd gear never hurt any normal car clutch, as far as i know.

Second gear and full throttle? Err...somehow I can't image any car would be that pleased of such treatment. Clutch heat might be a bit sensitive in the road cars at the moment though, but it's still a test patch.

Arrr! Count me in. pirate:

I'm greatly enjoying blasting around in the FZ5 on SO Chicane route with manual H-gate. It's weird, because firstly, I hate that car and secondly I though I was rubbish with three pedals, but it's not that bad after all dancing around the whole set.

Could be much more challenging to bring your car home though. Can't wait some proper engine/gearbox damage!

Quote from danowat :

What I wanna know is what on earth res are people running that makes the speedo unreadable?, it's prefectly readable all the way down to 640x480..............

Well, I guess lowering resolution could work for me because I'm running 1600x1200 and the numbers get a bit tiny, especially in the FBM. Got to avoid pit stops then.

That's more like it!

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

Back onto the Alonso topic, I am annoyed that they got rid of Heikki Kovalainen simply because he is too fast for Alonso. I can't think of any other reason to get rid of him, they just went for a rookie who will accept absolute #2 status, rather than a guy who is able to win the championship given the machinery.

Well, Kovalainen said during the season, when the speculations were on that he won't sign a contract where he is the second driver. He said that he doesn't want or need to be the only 1st driver in a team he is driving, but only given equal car, treatment and service. I would say that McLaren would be a good choice for him, really don't know why he should be scared of Hamilton. If you can't beat him with the same car, the chances are you can't beat him at all. Kovalainen is a good driver.

Can anyone tell if there is actually any difference between the clutches in the race and road cars?

Oh come on, don't be a quitter.

Quote from Linsen :

btw: How do I know if I'm obeying the pit speed limit in the FBM? No proper tach, no speedo, no limiter...

It has a speedo, but it's so tiny I have to pull myself closer to the screen to read it. And the gray backround in the display doesn't really help the visibility either.

Didn't Kev do that already?

Not easy enough to stall I think. You can drop the revs below 500 in any car and still pull away without clutch, doesn't seem right to me.

And now while Scawen is making road cars more realistic and removing digital speedometer, it would also make sense to remove the shift light.

If you shut off the engine in BF1 it doesn't jump start while rolling like in all other cars. Is there a reason for this?

And I think it would it make sense to disable the ignition button in the BF1 so you can't switch the engine off by accident.

AI can't start their engine if they stall it. (dark green XRR in the replay)


Also in the replay, some serious cornering issues with the chicane. Or is that because they don't know the track and haven't learned it yet? Because first time I ran them trough that chicane, several UF1 AI drivers rolled over, was rather funny pile up of cars on their roof.

FBM replaces XRT in demo.

Too bad for the demo driftorz muaahhahahahaahahhaha

Wrong, wrong, wrong. This is how you do it.

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EDIT: Kill me if I end up posting pics of my cat.

Quote from spankmeyer :

Got a replacement body last Friday and here's a pic of my cat lit by a desktop light

So, how we deal with this then?