Quote from ricebug :

OMG, I turned off all steam apps and LFS is working now with Windows Mixed Reality!!

Thank you very much!!

How did you make it work?
I have a samsung hmd odyssey+. After selecting option->view->3d->vr headset->open vr->single, it prompts me with "you must first press shift + F4 to go to window"

I bought a second hand Rift CV1 on the strength of seeing videos of people using it in sims such as LFS and AC. It is a game changer for me as it really makes a difference when going wheel to wheel with other racers.

Also you end up naturally pointing your gaze towards apexes and exits of corners, which has made me a much faster driver than dealing with a monitor display.

I had my own Ronnie O'Sullivan moment shortly after getting the Rift, I was in AC racing the 1960s prototypes around Monza (the configuration covering the original oval and road course against CPU opponents in VR. One of the other cars clipped me coming out the last banked corner, sending me in to the barriers and barrel rolled. I ended up curling up in a ball (bear in mind I am 1.82m tall around 124kgs and sat on a rotating office chair), chair twisted round and I jarred my back....

Had to go see the doctor and ask for painkillers... poor doc did not have a clue what I was going on about lol!

I have learnt my lesson and bought an FK sim rig so I have a proper seat and a nice mounting position for the wheel instead of a desk and swivel chair I was using before

Once I have the funds I do want to upgrade as the resolution is pretty low, but I definitely got the bug for VR!

And by being the first sim to do VR right, I have to commend Scavier for taking the time and implementing it.

I think that multi core support would work really well with LFS, and use the extra unlocked cores for things like improved AI and possibly help with the tire model i.e. it can work to a higher frame rate or even improve the car damage physics i.e rebuild the cars with crumple zones for newer models and make them deform even more like real life cars.

I bought my first VR helmet was now just 1 year ago for the last BF and I will never forget the emotion when I tryed it for the first time, seeing the car as if you were inside was something indescribable, literally dropped tears before driving even!

Nothing you read or listen will help you get an idea of ​​what VR is, you must try it yourself.

If someday I buy VR (when they are cheaper) it would be because I really want to try it in Live for Speed for the first time.

On the topic of VR, if you're still on the fence, I did an opinion piece a while ago that might be of interest: https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/92074

Yeah, VR is coming along. There is a definite problem with resolution in the old headsets I have (when I look into the distance) and I don't really find them comfortable.

The development is a gradual process of improvement in resolution, field of view and comfort. Hopefully price too! There's no reason to get VR if you aren't particularly interested and I don't think I've ever tried to suggest that anyone *should* get it. It's simply a really super thing that can be quite breathtaking and is gradually getting better.

Like Ronnie O'Sullivan leaning on the virtual snooker table in that video I posted, every time I lean to the left I want to put my hand on the passenger seat that I can see but isn't really there!

I guess it's a difference in what you call significant. The resolution and tracking has improved a LOT, which are the two main factors in VR. So if you don't call that significant, well then it's obvious you don't get it.

Do you really think most people buy a super expensive VR kit like the Index and just let it sit a shelf? Haha come on. You're obviously negative about VR, but now you're just talking nonsense. Let's just say you don't like it, there's no reasoning with you about it.

Looking forward to some nice news in December somewhere! I would love seeing South City!

Quote from Bose321 :

I've heard that the Index is sold out in a few parts of the world because of the new HL game. Seems like there are one or two people that are willing to spend money to sit with a stupid helmet on their head, who would've thought.

The what? Oh this is that thing with towers what Scawen has. Yes, uninteresting. Well you know the difference between buying and using? If something is "sold out" it doesn't say anything about if it's actually being used. A lot of people are like that German guy is doing on his Youtube channel. Buying everything and put it on a shelf for display, wauw, thats useful.

Quote from just2fast :

The funny thing is in most of the games you don´t even sit but stand/move

and be in your own isolated world yes, not a good direction for the world to head to

Quote from Bose321 :

Call it whatever you want,

No I do no want to be called anything. Especially the Dutch population are world champions in doing that.

I ask a question about how its going with the whole VR situation. Are there any significant developments, the answer is no.. And I even had to answer my own question. Typical.

Quote from Eclipsed :

Fact you can't deny - we can't change the world order by discussing situation here,so why bother? Let's focus on the sim,which is quite big hobby for many of us around here.

Actually I think we can change the world by talking about it! It can't start any other way. We need to talk about that everywhere.

I believe online is a good place to talk about these things. Often in social situations people just want to have fun and not talk about important issues as they are too serious. Often in family situations it's not worth discussing because it can cause arguments. So we need to talk about it, and share views wherever we can.

A lot has happened this year to bring this stuff into mainstream conversation. Not as if it was hidden before. A lot of people have been trying to bring attention to the destruction of nature for a very long time, but somehow most people could avoid bothering to think about it, as if it wasn't urgent. But the truth is it has been increasing in urgency since the 60s and 70s. Finally environmental concerns are becoming mainstream and even politicians are talking about it, not only the Green party. Their efforts so far have been very minimal, quite pathetic in fact, and we have still been destroying our environment at an increasing rate.

We live in democracies so it is *us* who have to vote for the politicians who will take bold actions to drastically reduce environmental damage before it is too late.

Quote from Pasci :

Scawen: Can we expect a new progress report for this month/in the next few days from Eric and you? Or are you not ready for that yet?

Thanks anyway

I haven't asked Eric about that, I've just recently sent him an update with the bloom and various lighting updates. I know he has been working on South City the whole time and I'm sure he'd like to show it soon. I've got some things to finish off. Like today I am trying to get the bloom working properly in VR.

I'm guessing we won't show anything this weekend, but it would be nice if we could prepare a progress report in mid-December.

Quote from Bose321 :

I've heard that the Index is sold out in a few parts of the world because of the new HL game. Seems like there are one or two people that are willing to spend money to sit with a stupid helmet on their head, who would've thought.

Clearly you haven't used VR.

It's amazing, especially for racing simulators.

HL Alyx is going to be the first VR AAA game. Everything else has been a tech demo or throwing floating hands into a normal game.

It's super exciting.

Quote from cargame.nl :

But to get back on topic, nothing to expect from Microsoft then. Anything else, or is this all?

A small overview of current VR devices (german language!)



and coming AAA games
https://www.vrandfun.com/maste ... ing-aaa-caliber-vr-games/

Quote from cargame.nl :

Still not the best method to promote a new product.


criticizing != negative

But to get back on topic, nothing to expect from Microsoft then. Anything else, or is this all?

You missed the part where it's not ready for consumers yet. Hence no actual promotion going on.

Call it whatever you want, but you sound very sour about VR.

Nothing to expect from MS? They're the leader and one of the biggest innovators right now in the AR game, not to be mistaken by VR.

Quote from cargame.nl :

edit: searched myself now.. Version 2 was released this month. $3500, are they on drugs or what? Lol

Are you serious? Do you have any idea what kind of R&D is going into this? Any idea what the hardware costs? Also did you know it's not meant for consumers right now?

There seem to be plenty of people that are willing to wear these VR helmets for an epic experience. I don't see why you're so negative about it. 3D didn't really take of because of the flawed implementation and limited material and effectiveness, not because no one wanted to wear those glasses (no they weren't coloured).

Quote from Flotch :

with a pair of $2000 RTX needed ...
At this rate, it will be less expensive to buy a real supercar in the coming years than using a racing simulation

Hehe almost... But real racing (even the cheapest classes) are still a lot more expensive. And we can enjoy racing at the comfort of our chairs inside our warm house.

Quote from RC-Maus :

I wish

sigh, stop acting like a child.

Quote from Scawen :

This is one of these things where you really need to experience it before you judge it. To the people who have tried it, you look a bit silly saying this repeatedly (I'm referring to previous posts where you have talked about VR in negative terms).

What do I judge? What if the VR enthusiasts actually are the ones going completely out of mind and judging that 2D is something from the past? Television makers already made that mistake by introducing 3D some years ago. Nobody wants to sit with colored glasses in front of their televisions at home. Let alone complete helmets!

But I like the idea of VR180 though and I follow whats going on with those 360 camera's, but, still.. I do not want to get infected with that helmet virus. Microsoft was doing something useful with this hololens thing/idea but overall VR news became very very quiet lately.. So, why not ask the ultra VR fans the question if something innovative is coming up because for the outsiders like me it appears to have stalled.

edit: searched myself now.. Version 2 was released this month. $3500, are they on drugs or what? Lol

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Quote from Scawen :

The truth is it's a total game changer. It's really an amazing feeling to be IN the game (VR) instead of seeming to look at it remotely through a window (monitor).

I had the chance to try a VR headset a while back (an FPS game, not LFS) and turned it down - I'm scared that as soon as I've experienced it, it'll lessen my ability to get immersion on a monitor setup. I ain't taking that risk until I can afford to get one for myself

Quote from Evolution_R :

But Valve just announced a long awaited Half-Life game... and it will be VR only.

A nice interview of Valve eployees why they made this game VR only

Quote from Scawen :

The truth is it's a total game changer. It's really an amazing feeling to be IN the game (VR) instead of seeming to look at it remotely through a window (monitor).

If you get a chance for it, I recommend trying Full Body Tracking in VR aswell. Basically need 3x HTC Vive tracker pucks placed on feet and torso. Ingame skeleton is then calculated from six tracking points (head, torso, hands, feet) and it seems to work quite well!

Been running 3x Tracker setup on an Index now and it makes games like VR Chat and Beat Saber all the more awesome when you're able to see your feet move in games just like they do in real life.

I wish I could try a VR headset, maybe when they become cheaper ( someone sell a HTC VIVE here for like 6 months of salary )then probably more people will jump on it.

But I am still concerned about mention sickness and general health issues around such device,

And developers need really to think about optimizing their games to be playable on most gaming pc's, I mean you need at least an RTX 2070 to be able to maintain stable 90 fps on most VR games ( excluding LFS ).

I tried the valve index for a couple of weeks. I had some issues on hardware and drivers. Other than that it is a game changer. I did not keep it mainly because I am pretty busy and I should not waste time and cough 1100 euros on that. Something was magic but something was odd (turn head to one side and eyes to other side) playing with a track ir.
VR is pure magic. Really amazing on asphalt and even better going sideways on dirt. I will definitely try again when life permit.

Quote from cargame.nl :

This VR hardware development blabla seems to have massively stalled. Hype over, time to collect dust?

This is one of these things where you really need to experience it before you judge it. To the people who have tried it, you look a bit silly saying this repeatedly (I'm referring to previous posts where you have talked about VR in negative terms).

The truth is it's a total game changer. It's really an amazing feeling to be IN the game (VR) instead of seeming to look at it remotely through a window (monitor).

I do hear that sales have been slower than expected and that is absolutely fine. The hype was too much in the first place, but that doesn't bother me at all. It's here to stay, which is obvious to anyone who has tried it. For cockpit-based simulator VR is really good, and it's good for a lot of other things too. It can be quite a breathtaking experience to feel like you are IN another world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMceVbo3Tm4

But Valve just announced a long awaited Half-Life game... and it will be VR only.

Quote from ColeusRattus :

cannot wait to try out the new lighting in VR!

You can.

This VR hardware development blabla seems to have massively stalled. Hype over, time to collect dust?

Quote from bishtop :

Stereotyping people is not very fair, and unless you had actually met a huge percentage of the population

The sample size does need not be very large to make pretty accurate predictions concerning group opinions. Also, there's usually vote results one can use to have a pretty thorough judgement on the general opinions of a populace in a democratic country.

And to stay on topic:

cannot wait to try out the new lighting in VR!

Quote from Scawen :

Jeremy Clarkson is one of these right-wing nutcases that just thinks we should burn whatever we can and have a jolly good time and **** the consequences. He writes in the same newspaper that Boris Johnson used to write in, a terrible paper called the "Telegraph" or "Torygraph" which indoctrinates its readers to hate the environment, cyclists and wind turbines.

I used to find Top Gear amusing but gradually got more annoyed with the stupidity of it that seemed to be increasing until it got taken off air after Clarkson punched a producer because he couldn't get a steak.

A lot of British people have a similar kind of attitude. You can tell by the popularity of SUV type cars and so on, designed to look big and tough. They are quite sad people really and are obstacles to progress.

Stereotyping people is not very fair, and unless you had actually met a huge percentage of the population any opinion could only be based on the circle of people you get to meet or hear about. Also which cars are popular changes for each age group and location

Regarding kyoto photo

Looks great and i look forward to getting to see this in VR

Quote from NumberTwo :

Id think that BMW from 2003 if E46 would still have manual adjustment of brightness.

In case you have an E60, buy an E46

No, like I explained, the E46 has this light switch with dot (at least the LCI had). The E60 has it too, the dot is on the left side of the switch. Could be a E39 where the light switch is directly next to the dail area. Whatever you do, do not switch car or car brand before at least 150 times thinking if the seats are OK for your back or not. The Passat killed my back and it took sadly way too much time before I realized it was coming from the car. It never fully recovered and I am very sensitive for soft seating now. Rather sit on a floor then on a soft sofa. So I can understand why sticking to an "old" car can be beneficial. If it drives and sits good then it drives and sits good. Although 300.000 km (188.000 miles) was getting too critical for the E46 at the time and had to let it go. All these trips to Wales/Newcastle, Norway, Croatia and now St.P (The Great ) are not really helping to keep the mileage down but car > plane. Quite safe to say after so many months that I am the only western license plate in the city so if you see me driving just wave hello and think ah this is this ass***e from LFS .

Quote from MacedoSTI :

maybe you can do anything for users see the dashboard glowing when lighs are on, same "3" button

I still refuse to buy a VR headset but I think the dashboards in VR can be very aggressive for the eyes and he is investigating this ambient light auto adjustment feature for this reason.

Last edited by cargame.nl, Wed 13 Nov 2019, 10:10.