Quote from LFSn00b :

I just blurred the wheels, and it looks great :P

I beg to differ.

Quote from Renku :

How much optimisation can there be (I dunno of course), do you want 32 cars on grid and MX 440 as VGA card? Nobody is forcing you to go 20+ server. I know my 9600XT will certainly choke, but I won't ask Scawen to stop developing LFS because of that (adding more racer slots in this case). In leagues like MoE, it would be understandable if there is a requirement: "participant's PC must be powerful enough to handle 32 cars on track (+ spectators).

I don't want it on an MX 440, I should expect it on a graphics card that was pretty much top of the range 2 years ago (if I recall correctly), especially on fairly low settings bar the resolution. I'm not asking to go back to 30 cars or 20 cars just because my PC isn't good enough to handle more as there are certainly people with PCs that can handle it, I'm just saying that the car rendering time in LFS might need a bit of improvement (assuming it's possible) alongside this patch to make it more enjoyable. It's up to Scawen to decide the rest.

Nice patch, thanks.

Quote from DEVIL 007 :

I know Scawen you would like threw a hammer at me but untill there will be made some big optimalization to the 3d engine(not just LOD variables or similar thingy) to have some more FPS, having 32cars is very nice update but useless for most of the people because being at the end or almost at the end of the grid with 32cars you will have like 10-20 FPS with which is very hard to race from start and not causing any crashes.Just my opinion.

I have to agree with this...
I was just on a server, with 22 cars or so. With 5 on screen, my PC really struggled. I got in the order of 25-35 FPS. This is a 3.0GHz P4 64bit, 512MB RAM, 6600GT 128MB graphics card. Without AA and AF, at my LCD's native res (1280x1024), with LODs set to about mid way between the minimum and the maximum, compressed skins and even half size textures. I'm starting to think there's something wrong, but I've got the latest drivers, my graphics card can't be underpowered (500W PSU) and nothing apart from MSN was running in the background.

"I left my son home alone for a weekend. Since then, I have to do this to my car."

Congrats guys. Enjoy it. Best of luck an' all.

Good choice, Victor, the forum was getting a little spammy. Logic hopefully applies to forums and spam is inversely proportional to the number of moderators.

theirishnoob, correct me if I'm wrong but from the DP1 thread, you seem to be under the impression that 4WD cars can't drift?

Some dynos under-read, others over-read, ambient temperature makes a big difference, so does altitude. I've heard of BMWs producing 30-50 odd hp more on a dyno than what BMW claims they produce. In short, your measurements could be affected by so many factors that you probably shouldn't say them without evidence of those factors being accounted for and measured as well.

EDIT: Oh by the way, the 507hp said by BMW is at the flywheel, not on the wheels as Jeff just reminded me.

Last edited by axus, Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:22.

"Middle aged man tries to have sex with his car believing it's a space ship."

I got a few screenshots from teaz-R's latest (and considerably awesome) XRR skin for my own editing purposes but if any of you guys want to play around with them, here they are.

There's been a good 20 posts on this so I vote for Funnybear and DTrott as the joint winners. Whoever gets here first can post a pic

Quote from teaz-R :

Yes that's entirely my own design thank you

Is it public? :jawdrop: :bowdown:

That must be a nice system you've got there. Patch W10 is worth trying out, if for the preload on the clutch-pack alone - it's so thrilling if you set up the car correctly, you can just chuck it into corners at speeds I've not dreamed of before. So much fun.

A physics patch is next up after Patch X I think (which Scawen said he hopes to release in around 2 weeks) - I really look forward to that, major physics patches always make LFS feel leaps and bounds better.

Quote from KeiichiRX7 :

Some people are however just worth pissing off because they take themselves so seriously.

You single-handedly forced this thread into a flame-war and pretty much forced everyone out of it because you refused to stop posting when you had nothing to contribute, so that statement is a little rich.

Quote from mr_x :

Ferrari discover a new way of winning. By eating the competition.

Assuming that Spanky's counts as a caption, we now have 5, and the win goes to mr_x.

Uhoh... well, actually, you don't see it in that pic, but that car is sponsored by teazers which is a South African strip club.

Come on, guys, it's not too difficult to remember that you actually have to visit the thread again and say who won. This thread could be a good laugh

Here's a new pic. Yes, this is from mph07, here in SA..

I think my problem with steering was something on my end, sorry. It seems to be fixed now.

LFSn00b, you've made 4 posts in this thread so far. It's almost impressive that not a single one has been funny so far.

Quote from KeiichiRX7 :

*steve irwin voice*And there goes the angry child storming off to his room

Your attempt at being condescending is cute. It's quite easy to take something out of context and mock it, as you have done, which is why I don't like breaking posts up when I respond to something but sometimes I just have to.

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Having an arguement for the sake of it? That's been what this was from the start! Scawen said "NO" and this group ontinued arguing for it like the decision had not been made yet.

Let's face it, some fair points have been made in this thread, at least enough to make this an optional aid. The rest of the thread has been about how to best counter the issues created by this option. I don't see a problem. From your responses, I'd think you read half the thread and started bitching.

Quote from KeiichiRX7 :

in reality you dont have to have special equipment or a button to look around either

Yeah, you do. They're called neck muscles.

Quote from Vykos69 :

than his face went a bit and his hands were waving around. He didnt want to say sh*t, but lets say, it was a bit "floaty" :P

ROFL
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news ... urns_to_f1_console_games/
Put two and two together.

Quote from Vykos69 :

Anything else? Hmm, the champagne this evening spent was prolly more expensive than the M6, nils ate a glass of beer, we had one hell of a good party and I'm a full time Nick Heidfeld fan now, knowing that he's a racer from head to toe, watched our LFS guys racing with full interest, he even put me to situations: "Watch, now they are side by side". After the first two minutes of talking he fastly realised that we have some kind of idea of what he's doing out there really. All respect to him for also giving Danny the ride of his Life.

Just out of curiosity, did the realism of LFS come up while you were talking to Nick Heidfeld? It'd be interesting to hear his thoughts on it.

Alright, seemingly you can't follow an argument, so I'll give it to you one teaspoon at a time.

Quote from KeiichiRX7 :

As far as responding to his points there really isn't all that much to respond to. He explained himself on the first point. He hasn't noticed the connection between the group and the viewpoint, thus laughing at the viewpoint is laughing at the group.

Wrong, that's where an argument and a quarrel differ. In an argument, both parties are mature enough to see one-another's perspectives. On the other hand, quarrels turn into a bunch of personal insults and rantings - like you are demonstrating here.

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We agree on the 3rd point.

Good for you. It's just a shame it has nothing to do with the topic.

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And his 4th quote made me chuckle a bit because it isn't a quote at all, but implicative of something that hasn't happened. I have no intention of backing down.

So far, your only point is that the general consensus of the entire community might (or might not) not be expressed by the consensus in this thread... which is barely saying anything at all because it's blindingly obvious to begin with and Scawen knows this. And Jeff already completely pummeled that point into the ground by pointing out that LFS is a niche product to begin with, thus the party that comes up with better arguments ought to win the debate.

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For the most part the people i have talked to (idly, not as part of my survey) have been perfectly happy to have a new feature, rather than irked that it activates thier handbrake.

Most people were really happy with the physics patch last April. Does that mean that nothing can be done to improve physics now?

As for the fact that these posts are pretty much useless to the discussion, that much is true. We're just trying to get you to stop bickering and make your point if you have one or leave the discussion.

Quote from KeiichiRX7 :

anyone else appreciate the irony of putting something that was never actually said or implied in quotes?

Nope, but I love how you avoid a direct argument and completely shoot off topic without actually saying anything that contributes to the discussion.

PS. I really hope English isn't your first language.

EDIT: Hmmm, maybe I should have some more fun with this.

"Anyone else"? What, you want other people to make your argument for you? By the way, you should look up the difference between "argument" and "quarrel" - argument is what was going on here before you came along and is perfectly fine.

"Irony"? You should look up irony too mate, there's none here even if you have a point in the remainder of your malformed sentence. Not that you have a point as Jeff demonstrated below.

By the way, is your attention span that bad that you can't stay on topic for a single post?

Last edited by axus, Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:12.

Congrats!

"We took it apart but we don't know how to put the engine back in so we're gonna have to improvise."