Ahh I see, well explained Ray, I didn't realise that there were any exploits that way.

Quote from Jakg :

So, are you building this PC yourself? If so give me a budget, and tell me if you do or don't need monitors and i'll build something - the one thing I can say is that it won't use a 780i.

If you want 2 GFX cards, then i'd go for 2x 3870x2's.

You may need a PSU beefier than 600w, actually...

If you are overclocking then you could do with an Arctic Freezer 7 Pro, if you plan on going more than 3 - 3.2 GHz then go for something beefier.

XP is easy to run on an extra HDD but I doubt you'll get annoyed with Vista.

Sorry Jack I never noticed your post yesterday.

Ok far too much choice for me to decide, so if I had £800 to £1000 to spend on a rig what would you or anyone suggest and yes after some reading up I reckon I'm going to have a go at building my own. (Jess I can stick subsea production and control systems in water depths of over a mile surely I can manage this :tilt
I noticed some mother boards have slots for DDR2 and DDR3, what do you think of them? When the DDR3 comes down a bit I could pull out the 2's and replace them with 3's.
Just to make things a bit more specific I do not want to go with ATI GPU's or AMD processors.
Once I have my rig specced then I will look at monitors so do not include monitors in the build.

Many thanks for any help that you or anyone else can provide

Quote from ajp71 :

What a silly rule, if you can't drive the car how it's meant to be driven then obviously people will run into problems. If people just dump the clutch in first gear after pitstops and spins as everyone does in a competition car by choice for pretty similar reasons you shouldn't run into problems.

I think a lot of people don't understand that slipping a triple plate racing clutch is very very difficult IRL and real drivers do not pull away gently from idle in first let alone any other gear. For this reason the results of trying to pull away from a hopeless situation which the auto clutch will slip for you normally result in a stall IRL.

Probably is a silly rule, i can only guess that it has to be that way so folks without a clutch pedal are on an even playing field?

Ok that that mean I shoukd be getting a top spec Core 2 Duo rather than a Quad Q6000? (sorry of topic, blame Jakg :tilt

Quote from ajp71 :

Are you pulling away very slowly in sixth gear with auto-clutch?

Auto clutch has to be enable for the eTM, I put it down to Ray being too slow and unable to drive

35.625s meh another reason to get a new PC.

Test done on Dell XPS M170 laptop 2.3Ghz pentium M, 1 meg RAM (running hot as I've been gaming)

Quote from Speed Soro :

forget

LOL, I saw it before you deleted it.

I actually really like GTL although my heel an toe sucks like mad. I have noticed that the set ups make much more difference to the handling of the cars in GTL than they do in LFS.....took me bloody ages before I could break and shift gear down without spinning the car. GTL made me appreciate and learn setting adjsutments really well and as such it has improved me in LFS.

Reference that video you posted it would be no problems driving LFS like that without clutch fry, just check out some similar you tube vids with people doing heel and toe technique.

All hale king of the Ford mustangs

I hear a lot of people complaining about various things since Y came out. I don't undestand this? it must be my driving style but I can't really tell too much difference Ok i've had my FZR clutch burn during pitting, but after a few practises it is manageable. Maybe it depends on the controller input? I have a wheel a with clutch pedal etc, maybe there is a problem with mouse or keyboard users, not sure really.

Sometime when you buy certain item like bags, laptop cases for example (I don't make a habit of buying handbags...honest!) there is sometimes a little bag filled with small silicon balls it is there to absorb any moisture present in the air...try putting them in your mouth and see if they absorb moisture or not

Oh dear this thread has gone way of topic

Silcon does absorb water, infact it absorbs water hugely. Sorry I don't know anything about break systems but from my knowledge of fluid dynamics I would think that less fluid compressability and the fluids ability to reamain cool would be major factors in a breakin system effectiveness. Also where is the moisture being absorbed from in a close loop system?

Fluid compressability for most of the calcs I do is assumed negligeable, the expansion in the system is more affected by the tubing or god forbit thermoplastic hosing.

In 50km long hydraulic pipework fluid compressabiltyit does have a major effect. (Remote subsea hydraulic control systems).

Also from my experience synthetic oils are way more hyGroscopic than mineral based oils. Ensuring that the brakes a bled properly and completely I would imagine is very important as air as we know is most compressable.

Soory for the ranting nonsense I've had the day of work and been in the pub

Quote from Bladerunner :

Asus p5n32-e SLi
Under a ton, got SLi x 16, got 2 IDE Slots, 6 SATA slots, overclocks a dream....and so far no probs with it apart from the stupid nVidia firewall app that stays hidden and does sod-all apart from give an error message every time I boot up uTorrent!

http://www.lambda-tek.com/comp ... ase7.2&prodID=1326199

Yep, I was looking at that, it benchmarks hardly any different to the 780i and runs a lot cooler as well, could be a good choice. Then maybe in a year when DDR3 get cheaper I could upgrade.....hmm!

Sorry for hijacking your thread Chris.

Thanks mate, hmm if I don't need 2 graphics cards then maybe I don't need SLI? and could go for a less expensive mobo?

The only games I play are race sims (got almost all the half decent ones loaded) Race 07 seems to give me the slowest FPS with my current laptop, BF2, Age of Empires and Eve Online.

I did the LFS benchmark twice and was getting around 26FPS on the first run then averagae 30 FPS the next time I tried, so I guess my supposedly uber XPS laptop is shite after all......I demand a refund! lol.

Quote from tristancliffe :

DOT4 fluid boils at 230°C dry, so it cannot be 'one of the best fluids money can buy'. DOT5.1 boild at 270°C, and it's considered rubbish for anything in a racing environment.

The brake fluid you quoted is not DOT4. In fact I doubt it's DOT rated, but if it is, it will get a lower rating because of increase hydroscopic action.

muhahaha I've got you it's hygroscopic (sorry Tristan)

Hmm, I was thinking of basing my system around this.

Asus Striker II Formula nForce ... -Express DDR2 Motherboard (can't seem to remove the underline sorry)

Gettin a Core™2 Quad Q6*** and sticking on two 8800 GTS GPU's

Also 2 x 160G SAGA hardrives with no raid, one for running vista (64 bit) and one for storing my small number of files? (I don't need a mega HDD)

Antec Nine Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case, with a decnt 600w power supply.

Still to check out power supplies and cooling, I have read a couple of reviews on the mobo, some folks have advised the non OEM cooling may be required if it is overclocked as it may run at quite a high temp?

Oops forgot about decent quality RAM 4GB to help with the vista 64. Is it easily possible to run XP on a seperate HDD if I get peeved of with Vista?

What do you guys think of this, don't be harsh i've just started looking

Thanks Alex, some interesting reading there.

Jees, I thought the title of this thread read 'Another Niall in the coffin' I thought he'd commited hari kari at the thought of having to face us in the eTM

Meh and on topic LFS is fine the way it is really, in my opinion anyway. I've been playing for a year solid and there are still many combos I haven't got round to trying and I'm still learning how to set the cars up properly. I suppose for you long timers some add ons would be nice though.

With most of the other popular sims there are just too many mods, tracks and stuff to choose from and the general buggering about to get anything working properly can be a pain, not to mention the online being rather a lot behind LFS IMO.

Damnit, I just new this would happen, It's 10 to 2 in the morning and I'm now officially obsessed with PC specs, jees I haven't even flashed up LFS this evening......! This obsession happens everytime I think about getting a new PC, about 4 hours ago I did not know my dual from quad cores, had no friggin idea what raid or SLI was......! Oh no this will go on until I am a self proclaimed expert and the new PC is on my desk and functioning, at which point I will forget everything about PC specs until the next time I think I need an update.

Jack I blame you for this and my wife is coming to pay you a visit with shotgun in hand

Oh anyone want to buy my XPS M170? lol cost me over £2k - 2 1/2 years ago, I see them second hand on e-bay for circa £500, I will sell mine in perfect working order for £395 if anyone fancy's it (sorry this is a bit tongue in cheek my appologies for advertising on LFS forum).

Righto I'm off to overclockers....bye for now

Quote from Jakg :

My PC is shit. Every part is rubbish. My CPU sucks. It's too hot, it overclocks like rubbish. My HDD's are slooooow. My GTX is hot and power hungry. My PSU is unreliable. My case is nice but lacks cooling prowess. My water cooling is trash, etc.

It's built through years of slowly learning good bits from bad bits.

Good advice I think.

This and the fact I can't be bothered building it because I just know I would get myself into no end of hastle has led me to just get a ready made system......damn I just want to play on it not have an intimate relationship with its internal organs....what was I thinking

Very good job on building that. If you were to buy a system with similar specifications ready built how much extra would that have cost? What i mean is how much have you saved by building it yourself?

Jack has convinced me to build a new system.....so I'm in forum Troll mode

Also I'm just so tempted to copy your spec...!

Quote from Jakg :

The laptop 6800 Ultra will have enough trouble running a single 1900*1200 (2,280,000 pixels) display

Very true Jack, unfortunately . Trouble is at other un-natural resolutions the screen is to put it bluntly, crap!

The new desk top solution, as you suggest, would probably be the better option for me, but oh no, I know what I'm like, I'll end up buying some super duper system that I can't really afford.

Jack I've read your other usefull posts on PC systems, maybe I should build my own. (I can see everyone running and hiding right now).

That's it I've decided, my daughters always moaning at me for a laptop for her school work (whats wrong with a slate and abacus these days....bloody youths), so I can use that as a valid excuse with my wife to give her this laptop leaving me computerless. she may feel sorry for me and let me build my own?? hmm!

Ok done deal, thanks for the advice guys. I just new you were going to cost me money

Edit @Noccy and Ross, thanks for taking the time to post, that Dell 30" screen looks very nice, just a tad outside my budget.

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Ok I'm getting a bit fed up using my laptop monitor for gaming and my wife gets pissed when I hump our main 42" Toshiba through from the living room. Also I can't get the toshiba to run 1900 x 1200 anyway. (It is 1080 HD)

So can anyone recommend me a gaming monitor, I do NOT want to do graphical work, photography, video, watch movies get it to make a cup of tea, open my beer or connect it to anything else other than my laptop for gaming, mainly LFS and other driving sims.

I have roughly around £500 to spend, although spending less would be nice of course.

I have searched around a bit and Dell ultra 24" thingy looks quite tasty, but really there are too many on the market and have no idea which is best.

I don't know my TFT's from my LCD's, CRT's, VD's or STD's so please no techy info I just want it to look good when gaming.

Don't know if it makes any difference but my laptop is XPS M170 with nVidia 6800 Ultra video card. Oh and another thing of topic, is it possible to upgrade my laptop CPU or video card? I did call Dell support but the technician there couldn't tell me one way or the other (oh what a a surprise) and it took about 40 minutes for him to tell me that....meh I give up.

Thanks for any help chaps.

Edit: Or would I be better with 3 cheaper, smaller monitors maybe? i've been looking at some set ups on you are a tube, some of these set ups with 3 monitors look very bloody marvelous.

Last edited by AlienT., Mon 7 Apr 2008, 18:35.

Glad you've got it sorted mate, welcome to S2 when you get it

Quote from tobby881 :

Hi.

Is there a way to buy a S2 license using "pay by phone"? I don't own a credit card and i dont wanna beg my friends to borrow me theirs so i can't use PayPal either.

I know that LFS doesn't support pay by phone but i thought that there could be some trick to it like charging some site with "pay by phone" then transfer the money from there to paypal and finally purchasing a license using paypal. Or there could be a pay by phone function on a swedish site for example but unfortunately i don't speak swedish so i couldnt check the swedish site.

I will appreciate any tips/help on how to become a proud owner of a S2 license,

with regards
tobby881

If you could send me the euros I can by you an S2 voucher code? Of course you would have to trust me on this , but if you check all my posts you will see that I have bought at least 5 demo players S2 vouchers and I'm sure a few players could verify that I am a loyal upstanding citizen, well most of the time anyway

If you are struggling at least this is an option for you?

good luck

Edit: Or I buy you S1 now, you send me cash for S2, when I recieve it then I upgrade you to S2, can't say fairer than that really....trust goes both ways then. If I buy you S1 and you don't send me cash then I will send Tristan, Kev and The_Angry_Angel round to your house.....lol

Last edited by AlienT., Mon 7 Apr 2008, 14:16.

Once again welcome to all the new guys