Joke, sarcasm, whichever. Wasn't very funny though, I guess.
Anyway, I have just been using my new wheel, and I must say - I LIKE IT A LOT!!
It will take quite some getting used to! 900 degrees is already nice - it is more realistic trying to catch a slide!! (IMHO anyway)
Clutch and gearshift will take *lots* of getting used to. I am about 2 - 3 seconds slower when I try to use them both! Until LFS *makes* you use the clutch (ie damage or stalling) I will stick to lifting the throttle for races, but keep practicing!
Good luck with your wheel Bladerunner!
And, yes rFactor is the demo (I believe you have to purchase a code for full version similar to LFS).
Tim
It just arrived, in perfect condition (shrinkwrapped in black plastic bizzarly!)
Also slightly wierd, it came with 2 CDs. 1 is the Logitech software and 1 is something call Our Factory...or...rfactory..or...rsomethingoranother?!
Now all I have to wait for is my Track-IR 4!
p.s. I answered my own question about the adaptor - the power supply uses a standard "figure of 8" jack, so I can just use one that I already have (ie from the back of a radio).
Tim
Also slightly wierd, it came with 2 CDs. 1 is the Logitech software and 1 is something call Our Factory...or...rfactory..or...rsomethingoranother?!
Now all I have to wait for is my Track-IR 4!
p.s. I answered my own question about the adaptor - the power supply uses a standard "figure of 8" jack, so I can just use one that I already have (ie from the back of a radio).
Tim
How did you get by without an adaptor, may I ask (or am I being stupid?!)?
So far so good for me too, but there are lots of people who are not so happy.
Tim
I ordered my G25 from Pixmania on Sunday night! I heard all the noise about Pixmania but I don't think they can be that bad all the time, so I took my chances!
It has been dispatched from the Leeds Parcel Force depot at 05:58 this morning so I expect delivery very soon!
I am expecting the manual to be in French and the power cord to be european and not UK, but these are all things I can overcome.
Tim
It has been dispatched from the Leeds Parcel Force depot at 05:58 this morning so I expect delivery very soon!
I am expecting the manual to be in French and the power cord to be european and not UK, but these are all things I can overcome.
Tim
I used to play GPL (even before GP4) but since moving to XP it never quite ran so good!!
Anyway, I agree that Watkins Glen is the best track to use. It is quite short, so we should get a decent race and it is the track I used the most (so the one I know the best).
As for the car - I have no idea. I always used the green one!
Tim
Anyway, I agree that Watkins Glen is the best track to use. It is quite short, so we should get a decent race and it is the track I used the most (so the one I know the best).
As for the car - I have no idea. I always used the green one!
Tim
I voted for timetable 3 this time. Now I know this looks like a bit of a U-turn for me, as previously I was saying no GPL at all. BUT - this way we don't look like a bunch of LFS fan boys that only want LFS and nothing else! (not that I care what other people think of me!) And 20 minutes each is probably a nice way to get warmed up and it doesn't count towards anything - its just for fun!
Also, if we do not try it, we will not know if it is worth doing next time (!) or not. We may find that it is better to have a GPL only event or a LFS only event. If we don't try it, we will never know!
The only slight query about timetable 3 for me would be: is it feasable for them to reconfigure their booths from GPL to LFS in 5 minutes?
Tim
edit: but, if the majority want LFS only, then I am cool with that.
Also, if we do not try it, we will not know if it is worth doing next time (!) or not. We may find that it is better to have a GPL only event or a LFS only event. If we don't try it, we will never know!
The only slight query about timetable 3 for me would be: is it feasable for them to reconfigure their booths from GPL to LFS in 5 minutes?
Tim
edit: but, if the majority want LFS only, then I am cool with that.
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Reason : added feedback!
I take your point, and I absolutely agree with it.
If this was an all day event where we could do the morning in GPL and then have some lunch while all the equipment is reconfigured for the afternoon's LFS Session, with "seat" time limited to the 2 hours each, then this would work beautifully.
However, we are limited to 4 hours at the venue, with each person getting 2 hours of "seat" time. Therefore, I believe we have to be realistic about how we use the time, and having a GPL and LFS session, to me, is not realistic.
Tim
I have had to vote for no GPL. Sorry.
I don't know, but as you have the schedule pretty tight already (ie all 4 hours used to the minute), I just thought that it could take them 10 minutes to reconfigure all the booths from GPL to LFS and that could lose us valuable racing/qualifying time.
Whereas, if we remove the GPL, we can spread the time out a bit and not have to worry about quick driver changes and precision timing to fit everything in.
This is why I have voted for no. 3.
Tim
I don't know, but as you have the schedule pretty tight already (ie all 4 hours used to the minute), I just thought that it could take them 10 minutes to reconfigure all the booths from GPL to LFS and that could lose us valuable racing/qualifying time.
Whereas, if we remove the GPL, we can spread the time out a bit and not have to worry about quick driver changes and precision timing to fit everything in.
This is why I have voted for no. 3.
Tim
Yes they should become 20 minutes! That is what was in my mind while I was writing it, but then I forgot to make the changes. Edited now.
Good point about the 5 minutes not being enough!
I didn't really want to say this because I wanted to give GPL a chance and not turn the event into a LFS only event, but I am beginning to think that without the GPL we would get more useful time. We are mostly LFS racers, some of us do play or have played GPL, but I would like to get better at LFS and use the time to practice what I have seen others do during the 4 hours and it feels like using GPL is wasting time which could be spent getting some benefit.
Tim
After some serious consideration and looking at the times you have proposed Ben, I have come up with the following modifications. However, please note that I am just pointing these things out, I am not saying they are better because.... well let me explain.
Suggestion 1
My main change would be in the length of the qualifying sessions. One thing I think would help would be to have more shorter qualifying sessions.
The 15 minute sessions for GPL are as long as the race itself, so it might be better having 10 minute or even 5 minute qualifying stints.
The main problem with this, that I can see, is that this will involve people swapping over more and could lead to actually having less time and maybe even running out of time before the races are finished.
In the LFS sessions, we have 15 minutes of qualify and then 15 minutes race. If the qualify was dropped to the following:
...then you get the chance to look at other peoples lines and techniques during qualifying and then get to put them into practice in your last 5 minute qualifying stint. This *might* give more excitement!
Like I say, it might also make it a logistical nightmare.
Suggestion 2
Finally, I personally think we should take 5 minutes from the GPL qualifying sessions and add it on to the LFS Race sessions.
So in summary, my updated version of events is as follows:
Perhaps Adrian could shed some light on how easy changeovers are and if they should be kept to a minimum. If they should, then only my final change (Suggestion 2) would be valid.
Thanks
Tim
Suggestion 1
My main change would be in the length of the qualifying sessions. One thing I think would help would be to have more shorter qualifying sessions.
The 15 minute sessions for GPL are as long as the race itself, so it might be better having 10 minute or even 5 minute qualifying stints.
The main problem with this, that I can see, is that this will involve people swapping over more and could lead to actually having less time and maybe even running out of time before the races are finished.
In the LFS sessions, we have 15 minutes of qualify and then 15 minutes race. If the qualify was dropped to the following:
...then you get the chance to look at other peoples lines and techniques during qualifying and then get to put them into practice in your last 5 minute qualifying stint. This *might* give more excitement!
Like I say, it might also make it a logistical nightmare.
Suggestion 2
Finally, I personally think we should take 5 minutes from the GPL qualifying sessions and add it on to the LFS Race sessions.
So in summary, my updated version of events is as follows:
Perhaps Adrian could shed some light on how easy changeovers are and if they should be kept to a minimum. If they should, then only my final change (Suggestion 2) would be valid.
Thanks
Tim
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Reason : Forgot to add 5 extra minutes to LFS Race times.
Yup, that was the best bit of online racing I have had for a while!!
Ant, I hope you didn't mind me fighting with you even though you were about 27 laps in front of me. That was a lot of fun for 5-6 laps or so
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(to those wondering why I was so far behind - I started late due to family commitments)
To any one who has the replay - watch me for the first couple of laps after I start on lap 28 (I think). I take the corner at the top of the "big dipper" so early... the result is quite spectacular - especially as it shows the physics off in LFS to their greatest (imho).
Looking forward even more to the start of the next OLFSL season.
Merry Christmas everybody!!
resent: :wmann3:
Tim
Ant, I hope you didn't mind me fighting with you even though you were about 27 laps in front of me. That was a lot of fun for 5-6 laps or so
.(to those wondering why I was so far behind - I started late due to family commitments)
To any one who has the replay - watch me for the first couple of laps after I start on lap 28 (I think). I take the corner at the top of the "big dipper" so early... the result is quite spectacular - especially as it shows the physics off in LFS to their greatest (imho).
Looking forward even more to the start of the next OLFSL season.
Merry Christmas everybody!!
resent: :wmann3: Tim
Just stumbled across this thread!
I am also a Sim racing Dad. My 4 year old son likes "the driving game", not quite as much as "the train game" (Trainz Simulator 2006) but the glint in his eye is there
He used to like just crashing into the walls. He lets me get the car up to speed and then he takes the wheel and turns into the wall. Then he insists that I change to the exterior camera and check out the damage. He finds it hilarious when I cry out and tell him what damage he has done to my car!!
More recently he has been able to steer the car (albeit slowly) around Aston Cadet. When I praised him he wanted to do it again and then he wanted to show his Mum and his Nana.
His Mum is slightly interested in LFS and has tried driving a few times but she is not hooked like I am.
Tim
ps I am 31.
edit: pps I am also really good at killing off threads!!
I am also a Sim racing Dad. My 4 year old son likes "the driving game", not quite as much as "the train game" (Trainz Simulator 2006) but the glint in his eye is there
He used to like just crashing into the walls. He lets me get the car up to speed and then he takes the wheel and turns into the wall. Then he insists that I change to the exterior camera and check out the damage. He finds it hilarious when I cry out and tell him what damage he has done to my car!!
More recently he has been able to steer the car (albeit slowly) around Aston Cadet. When I praised him he wanted to do it again and then he wanted to show his Mum and his Nana.
His Mum is slightly interested in LFS and has tried driving a few times but she is not hooked like I am.
Tim
ps I am 31.
edit: pps I am also really good at killing off threads!!
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Here are my votes:
Site: LFSForum - definitive resource for all things LFS in my opinion. The Inferno setup field site has setups, but the forum has all the details on how to use the setups and so much more!
Application: Analyse for Speed - It has helped me greatly in getting good times since I have started using it (which is only recently). Simple and effective.
League: OLFSL - I am biased, and I do not know any of the other leagues because I do not have time to race in more than one. I do like the look of the STCC.
Team: NASSA - I have always had good races against the members of NASSA, so they definately get my vote. Although the Pheonix team comes a close second!
Tim
Site: LFSForum - definitive resource for all things LFS in my opinion. The Inferno setup field site has setups, but the forum has all the details on how to use the setups and so much more!
Application: Analyse for Speed - It has helped me greatly in getting good times since I have started using it (which is only recently). Simple and effective.
League: OLFSL - I am biased, and I do not know any of the other leagues because I do not have time to race in more than one. I do like the look of the STCC.
Team: NASSA - I have always had good races against the members of NASSA, so they definately get my vote. Although the Pheonix team comes a close second!
Tim
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Reason : Application vote changed!
I turned all music (even in menu's) off a long time ago. At one point, I did take some music from some CDs I had and ripped them to MP3 then converted them to the OGG format, but I soon got more serious about my racing and turned all music off. It is amazing the difference it makes when you can't hear the engine sounds - I usually forget to change gear if I can't hear the engine.
Tim
Tim
For what its worth, I use the original Microsoft Sidewinder Wheel with FF (the one that plugs in through a game port) and I run Win XPsp2. I do not use the Sidewinder 4 software at all - I used to when I originally installed XP ages ago, but now it is not required for it to work flawlessly with seperate axis in LFS (or any recent game for that matter). Older games, made before XP always set the pedals inverted so the brake was on until you pressed the pedal - this was very annoying.
LFS was the first driving game I found that allowed me to invert the pedals. Before that I had to run Win98 to play Geoff Crammonds F1GP4.
Tim
LFS was the first driving game I found that allowed me to invert the pedals. Before that I had to run Win98 to play Geoff Crammonds F1GP4.
Tim
No noticeable delay here at 0.05.
Thanks
Tim
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OK just tested on Vista (Ultimate Edition) Beta 2 (5308). This is not the latest version, I know - but I havent installed the latest one yet on a "gaming" PC, I will bring the DVD home with me tomorrow and test it this next week.
Test results:
0.01 - get a click every second, and every 3-4 seconds get two or more in quick succession clicks.
0.02 - get a click every second, sometimes misses a click
0.03 - usually OK, but every now and then, if I switch to another window and then back again, the click every second starts. If I move up to 0.04 and then back down again to 0.03 is settles again and works fine. This is very intermittent and doesn't always click.
0.04 - all OK even when switching windows.
During this test, the PC was not doing anything other than the test and running IE to type this in.
PC spec:
Intel P4 3.0GHz
1GB RAM
SoundBlaster PCI Soundcard (can't remember exact model - can find it if neccessary).
EDIT: when on 0.03 hovering the cursor over the File menu causes it to start clicking, on anything higher (ie 0.04 or above) this does not happen.
EDIT2: Don't know if it is relevant, but when the SoundTest window is not in focus the sound stops, and when the Help >> About window is open, the sound misses for about half a second, every second.
EDIT3: My Vista RC1 DVD is bust, so I have been delayed in testing on this version.
Thanks
Tim
Test results:
0.01 - get a click every second, and every 3-4 seconds get two or more in quick succession clicks.
0.02 - get a click every second, sometimes misses a click
0.03 - usually OK, but every now and then, if I switch to another window and then back again, the click every second starts. If I move up to 0.04 and then back down again to 0.03 is settles again and works fine. This is very intermittent and doesn't always click.
0.04 - all OK even when switching windows.
During this test, the PC was not doing anything other than the test and running IE to type this in.
PC spec:
Intel P4 3.0GHz
1GB RAM
SoundBlaster PCI Soundcard (can't remember exact model - can find it if neccessary).
EDIT: when on 0.03 hovering the cursor over the File menu causes it to start clicking, on anything higher (ie 0.04 or above) this does not happen.
EDIT2: Don't know if it is relevant, but when the SoundTest window is not in focus the sound stops, and when the Help >> About window is open, the sound misses for about half a second, every second.
EDIT3: My Vista RC1 DVD is bust, so I have been delayed in testing on this version.
Thanks
Tim
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Glad its fixed - and sorry for the mis-information . Thanks for correcting me Krane.
Tim
. Thanks for correcting me Krane.Tim
As far as I can tell, Sygate has three options for LFS.EXE (and indeed any exe or dll trying to get through it). These are:
Allow (which is how I set it when I tested),
Block (which blocked it completely - even from listing the available servers) or
Ask (which asks the first time what it should do - ie allow or block) Note: what ever you answer here, stays for the duration of the session, until Sygate is closed and re-loaded.
You can not block LFS from accessing port 80 while allowing it access to another port - it is all or nothing.
Cr45h, you will have to try the security settings one by one. Turn Intrusion Prevention off ONLY and try it. If it does not work, turn it back on again and try turning the next option off. Repeat this until you find the answer. We know that it is this software causing it, and so we know it is one of these settings.
Good luck.
Tim
Allow (which is how I set it when I tested),
Block (which blocked it completely - even from listing the available servers) or
Ask (which asks the first time what it should do - ie allow or block) Note: what ever you answer here, stays for the duration of the session, until Sygate is closed and re-loaded.
You can not block LFS from accessing port 80 while allowing it access to another port - it is all or nothing.
Cr45h, you will have to try the security settings one by one. Turn Intrusion Prevention off ONLY and try it. If it does not work, turn it back on again and try turning the next option off. Repeat this until you find the answer. We know that it is this software causing it, and so we know it is one of these settings.
Good luck.
Tim
Hi Cr45h,
I have just downloaded and installed Sygate Personal Firewall 5.6 so I can talk with some knowledge now. It looks like you have the full licensed version to have all those options. With the free version I don't have the option of setting them all, however, you may want to do the following to troubleshoot this:
Right click the Sygate icon in the notify tray (bottom right next to the clock) and click Exit Firewall. This will close Sygate down altogether and take it out of the equation.
If this does not allow you to download skins, then it is something else (like maybe a firewall on your router).
If this does allow skins to download, then have a look at the attached options, as I know these work as this is how they are set on mine here and I have been able to download skins.
The General tab does not have any settings which could affect this either, it is just cosmetic app settings. From what I can tell, this app just blocks or allows at application level, so an application is either allowed or denied, so if you have enabled LFS.exe it should work. The only thing I can think is the Intrusion Prevention is blocking it - but I am not convinced.
Let us know how you get on with this.
Tim
I have just downloaded and installed Sygate Personal Firewall 5.6 so I can talk with some knowledge now. It looks like you have the full licensed version to have all those options. With the free version I don't have the option of setting them all, however, you may want to do the following to troubleshoot this:
Right click the Sygate icon in the notify tray (bottom right next to the clock) and click Exit Firewall. This will close Sygate down altogether and take it out of the equation.
If this does not allow you to download skins, then it is something else (like maybe a firewall on your router).
If this does allow skins to download, then have a look at the attached options, as I know these work as this is how they are set on mine here and I have been able to download skins.
The General tab does not have any settings which could affect this either, it is just cosmetic app settings. From what I can tell, this app just blocks or allows at application level, so an application is either allowed or denied, so if you have enabled LFS.exe it should work. The only thing I can think is the Intrusion Prevention is blocking it - but I am not convinced.
Let us know how you get on with this.
Tim
Edit the Wiki I mean - with words and wisdom about LFS!
Tim
Well, you know what to do... get editing!
Anyway, what was this thread about??!
Tim
Anyway, what was this thread about??!
Tim
I know, its great isn't it! There is as much information on there about l337 as there is about Cancer (the disease) and more (by some 4 times) than there is about deep vein thrombosis!
Go figure...
Tim
[EDIT] Hurrah, 100 posts!! er.. I mean..er, I don't care...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet
Tim
(ps - I am not just trying to increase my post count... honest!)
(pps - @nutty boy - you will never catch Tristan!)
Tim
(ps - I am not just trying to increase my post count... honest!)
(pps - @nutty boy - you will never catch Tristan!)
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