Quote from Decibel :

If you're still willing to be teammates Tim, i'll gladly put the extra £30 in too, so at least we have another team position filled. If there is a sudden rush at the end, then we'll just revert back to a 3 person team.

Cheers.

Of course I am! Good stuff, thanks Decibel.

Tim

I want to go to this event so much that I would (and can!) put another £30 in and have a team of 2. However, we run the risk of scaring some people off if we make it a 2 per team event. Maybe we could make it a mix of 2 and 3 person teams? Or is this too unfair then? Its not as if anything is at stake, its only for fun after all!

I know in a 2 man team each driver will be driving for 1 and a quarter hours, but it doesn't have to be all at the same time, it can be 20-30min stints which should be OK.

I am sad that there is not the same interest as last year, and I am also sad that the Devs are not going, but I do not want this to put anybody off coming...

@tristan - lippy has confirmed but it is not updated in the first post!

Also there are potentially two other drivers in danowat (travel arrangements dependant) and bozo who I asked and is waiting to confirm his arrangements.

Other than that, I can do no more...except join servers and start asking random people if they are in the UK and want to come...

Tim

Quote from col :

Why do you make the assumption that bringing in a bunch of enthusiastic volunteers (however talented) would speed up the development process ?

IMO it would do exactly the opposite !

The more people are in a team, the larger percentage of each persons time has to be devoted to communicating with, synchronising with and arguing with the rest of the team. As a team grows, the complexity of managing the project tends to grow exponentially. Who would be organizing this mess ? Scawen Eric and Victor thats who - so instead of devoting most of their time to developing their fine product, they would have to do a huge bunch of extra admin and quality control not to mention political and diplomatic work as their minions start to bicker about why X got to do this while Y only gets to do that ?
illepall
What happens when a volunteer misses a deadline, and the whole community starts to wibble and explode ? Would you put your career/future/livelyhood on the line and trust some peeps you don't know and who you're not even paying to do the work?

No thanks

Part of the reason that LFS is SOOOO good is because of the development process that Scavier have used - do you really want to change that?
I don't, I think they are doing a fine job the way things are

Col, what you said absolutely hits the nail smack bang in the centre of its proverbial head!

Tim

Last edited by t1ger, Tue 23 May 2006, 15:40.

Quote from Decibel :

Go on then t1ger, i'm in

Thanks for the comments guys, I can see it's going to be a light hearted event but with a mildly competitive element (yeah right !) and i'm always up for a laugh.

I'll get a cheque in the post to you on Monday Tristan.

As for a team name, 'The Young Ones' is also from our era, but isn't wholly appropriate under the circumstances , so amusing suggestions on a postcard.

I look forward to seeing you all in person.

Excellent, you might want to PM Tristancliffe so that he knows you are confirming, then he can tell you where to send the cheque to.

Right what about another one?! Any takers?

Tim

I am 31, and don't drink alcohol at all (go on, get the comments/shock out of the way now ).

I will gladly team up with you Decibel, which means we just need one more! I see Dan is already in a team, but his teammate (Lippy) has not confirmed yet. Perhaps if he does not confirm, we can call ourselves a team?! We could call our team "The A-Team" as...that....is.....errr....from our era....!?

Waddya think guys? Possibly leave me out of the team name decision, eh!

Tim

Doh,:doh: that is exactly the problem, sorry for wasting anybodys time!

Thanks hackerx for noticing my mistake.

Tim

Last edited by t1ger, Sat 24 May 2008, 19:36.

I have searched for this bug, but I have found nothing, so here it is.

When I upload a hotlap, the notification window pops up and tells me that I am in position x (in the example attached 143rd), but then in the actual hotlap list it shows me as 103rd. I have seen this everytime I have uploaded and have just assumed that it is the way it does it, but I thought it was about time I mentioned it to you.

Thanks

Tim

OK, I can confirm that I will be going!

I am a loner, so I will need to team up with two others if anybody wants to arrange this with me before the event. I will be coming down from the Huddersfield area, so if anyone around there needs a lift, just PM me and we can arrange something.

Tim

If it helps anyone, I have found links to all the tracks mentioned in Google Maps. They are all available in detailed satellite images with the exception of Whilton Mill which is just outside the detail. It gives you an idea of where it is though.


Hoddesdon
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps? ... 1&spn=0.0032,0.007231

Buckmore Park
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps? ... &spn=0.00323,0.007231

Whilton Mill
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps? ... amp;spn=0.025313,0.085831

Daytona MK
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps? ... amp;spn=0.006362,0.014462

I have raced (many years ago) at Buckmore Park for a MacMillan Cancer Relief event. It is a very nice track, which looks small when you look at it but seems big when you drive it. The event was organised OK, nothing special, but I do remember that beforehand they set out strict rules for driver changing and refuelling but nobody (except us of course ) took any notice - and they didn't give any penalties or anything for it. It was a charity event though so more to raise money that actually compete!

EDIT - Correct links now (sorry again)

Tim

PS for those interested, our team started 1st and finished 3rd (2 hour endurance race)

Last edited by t1ger, Wed 3 May 2006, 11:24.

I missed it last year and so I would like to try and make it this year. Put me down pending location/cost etc, but I am really keen! At the moment, I am looking at bringing the wife and kid and staying over the night before, so I will not have any room to take a passenger. However, if this changes I will post again.

Tim

I noticed this also. It seems to be the texture for the tyre manufacturer that disappears.

If you move the view around it appears, but close up it dissapears, as shown in the attached two screenshots.

Tim

Quote from filur :

Mine is "Off", but i still get alot of "racing line rubber".

This refers to the racing line the AI cars take, ie not the actual visible marks on the road, just the path the AI uses to get around the track. If you set it to OFF, the AI will have to learn the track themselves, if you set either of the other two options then the AI will learn from your driving line around the track.

Relating to disconnections, this will not affect anything.

I myself have problems with disconnections. I can stay connected to some servers without any problems at all for ages, with or without other people connected. But then on other servers, I disconnect. Sometimes after 5 minutes and sometimes after nearly 2 hours!

My belief is that the problem lies with internet routing somewhere between myself and the server, and this depends upon where in the world it is. I have been playing BF2 online quite a bit lately and I have not been disconnected once, however the net code here is obviously massively different.

At the moment, whenever I play online now, I am keeping two pings going in the background, one to the server I am on and one to www.google.co.uk - as yet I have not been disconnected while doing this, but I have only been online once!

Unfortunately, the only thing this will prove is that my connection to the internet does not go down - just the connection to the server I am playing on. If this is the case - I have no idea what I can do about it - if at all anything!!!

I am using a 512K ADSL connection with a Netgear DG834G router.

Tim

Quote from tristancliffe :

Guess what - I'm in a minority. Again!

I love F1. I think the races are extremely exciting, not becuase of the racing (there admittedly isn't much passing), but the scope of the sport. All the technowizardry, the tactics, the speed, the power, the people - it adds up to be an amazing spectacle for me. I'm in awe watching these drivers (apart from the girly ones) do things to car we'll never dream of being able to do.

I know it's fashionable to hate F1, and I know that most people think that you have to have passing to have a good race. Sure, edge of the seat stuff is BRILLIANT, but there's enough going on to get me exciting every time.

I've never fallen asleep watching F1 (except when I went to Spa '98 - they took ages to clear the track after Crazy Dave took everyone out), and I always get up early to watch the fly away races. Rarely am I disappointed.

So yeah, looking forward to it. The technical changes will create a huge amount of new stuff as the teams come up wth different techniques of overcoming shortcomings. Qualifying might be weird, but I'm reserving judgment until it's happened a couple of times.

Can't wait.

Oh, and for the record, I don't enjoy BTCC at all, or A1GP much.

Do you know what, I absolutely agree with you. F1 is at the edge of technology, and I love it when Ferrari pull something out of the bag that no-one else thought of and pinches it at the post! Didn't happen much last year, but maybe this year...

As for A1GP, I don't have Sky so I can't watch it, but it doesn't make me want to watch it...wierd I know, but true.

Tim

We went down to the British GP last year. It was really good. I went down Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Friday and Saturday were the best, Sunday was very strange indeed. We sat in the stands at the end of the Hanger straight - and I am not joking the noise was deafening (albiet beautiful at the same time). However, after about 6 laps I was configused and did not know in what order people actually were. If you know the helmets (which I didn't) it is possible, but otherwise its impossible to tell whos is where. We couldn't hear the loud speakers and the big, sorry huge screens were just too far away to read the text at the bottom.

My advice, if you do go, sit very near to a screen or take binoculars or have a radio and earphones with you as the commentary is broadcast on a local frequency.

Other than that, it was the best birthday present I have ever had! Especially as we were actually flown down in a small Cessna plane on the Sunday - cut out loads of waiting in traffic!

Tim

Thanks B2B@300

I have upgraded my routers firmware (for what its worth). Still more things I can try though.

Tim

OK, here is my tracert to that IP address:

Tracing route to 193.23.224.153 over a maximum of 30 hops
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.100.1
2 21 ms 20 ms 20 ms lo2.lon-th1dgw.uwclub.net [217.154.190.33]
3 20 ms 52 ms 24 ms f1-0.lon-gs1pbr.uwclub.net [217.154.140.254]
4 347 ms 457 ms 263 ms osm-g4-1.lon-th1br.mistral.net [217.154.71.2]
5 191 ms 21 ms 18 ms osm-g4-1.lon-gs1br.mistral.net [217.154.71.1]
6 116 ms 18 ms 19 ms ge-1-2-0.414.ar2.LON3.gblx.net [67.17.212.173]
7 21 ms 21 ms 20 ms so1-0-0-2488M.ar3.LON2.gblx.net [67.17.71.1]
8 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms tiscali-1.ar3.LON2.gblx.net [208.49.136.66]
9 19 ms 20 ms 20 ms so-3-1-0.lon22.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.80.30]
10 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms ge0-1.lon.rapidswitch.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.78.194]
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 22 ms 20 ms 23 ms 193.23.224.153
Trace complete.

This implies I go a long way to get to this server, could be part of the problem. The mistral.net ones seem to be the biggest problem. Hmmm, more testing.

Tim

The only thing I do know is that you can not host a server and connect to it through the master server if your server and you are on the same internet connection.

You can connect to it over the LAN, or try to get somebody external to you to connect to it. If your firewall is turned off - it should work, as long as all traffic coming into your external IP address is being forwarded to your server. This can be done two ways - 1) just forward the ports, but this requires a fairly reasonable firewall/router, or 2) forward everything to your server. The latter will be possible on most routers.

Tim

Last edited by t1ger, Mon 6 Mar 2006, 17:06.

OK, thanks guys, lots of info there and things to try and things to monitor. Now I need to be at home to test. What a shame, more online racing... oh well

Tim

Quote from tristancliffe :

Afaik, the bars at the bottom work like this:

Each connection has two bars, and instanteneous one and an average over a few seconds (you can tell which is which by which one moves the most). The left two are the person at the top of the connection list (usually host iirc), you are the green one, and it's in the order of the connection list.

If I'm wrong (and this is from memory of what Scawen once said) then feel free to correct me.

Thanks Tristan, is it the smaller the bar the better or the other way around?

Tim

I do have to agree with you franky, however, it is difficult to prove anything as there were other racers on the server who did not disconnect and others that did. Most people stayed connected (there was about 15 people in total including host). I personally disconnected three times over the period of 1 hour, only once was in the middle of a race though. Then later I connected to another server with 3 other racers and stayed connected for the best part of 1 hour with no problems at all.

I want the problem to be something that is in my control, but I fear that it is out in the wild blue yonder of the mass of inter-connected routers and server they call the Internet.

Tim

I hereby withdraw the nk Pro question.

F1 one still stands though (if Scawen ever gets chance to do anything he wants for a few years, that is.. )

Tim

Quote from franky500 :

Preety much. Its all guess work really. If all of the other people look like they have lag then it is more likely it is you rather than them. but if only one or 2 have the lag then its most likely them..

Also. is this all based off of a single server last night? if so i wouldnt really be worrying too much.

I know what you mean, and thanks for the help. However, I am still worrying, because these are the servers that the league is run on, so when I disconnect, it really hurts me. And we have run 12 races (10 events, 2 of them had two races) and I have disconnected from 5 of them.

This worries me. I am, of course, very glad, that this is the only thing in my life at the moment that worries me - could be worse.

Tim

I do know that the number next to the other cars for me was around 0.07 and 0.05 for most of the time that I had it turned on. For the actual race I disabled network debug in case it put extra strain on anything and made things worse for other people.

Tim

I really don't know. Up until recently, I thought those bars at the bottom left were a graphic representation of the sound! I always thought it was strange that they kept moving even though I turned all the music off!! illepall

Tim

Quote from franky500 :

could try doing a network debug while in the game (shift + F8 ) if every1 else shows as a fairly high rate then you can assume its you. If most seem low then assume it was that person last night.

I tried that network debug option, but last night when I disconnected, it showed nothing. It may be that I do not understand the output of the debug. Unfortunately I did not take a screenshot of the messages. I would have done if I had seen anything which looked like it could point to something, but it didn't.

Tim