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keiran
S2 licensed
Quote from BWX232 :Did you look at the picture of the d/l speed? Sounds like you just want to troll for a fight with your lame and childish insults..

Heh? I think you need to calm down with the hissy fits. Please point me to the childish insults?

Talk about blowing things out of proportion

Download speeds weren't good for me, so what? The attitude you had in replying to Blackout was uncalled for/childish/`lame` whatever you call it. I was merely backing up his claim that I also had slow speeds. Had you said it in a normal/`nicer` fashion then I'd have probably not bothered.

Quote :
keiran: - no I did not HAVE to go flying over jumps to show suspension movement, it happens in all cars, even stiffly sprung rTrainers and whatnot, it is just easier to PROVE in a relatively LOW QUALITY movie with a more extreme example, that is why I chose that for the movie.

Read the post carefully as you seem to skiming through it and picking out what you want to see.

In low quality LFS videos you can easily see any of the cars suspension working away along with the weight transfer of the car, even the tyres can be seen flexing on videos hosted by youtube. So why this couldn't be deomonstrated on a far higher quality video like you posted in comparision to YouTube videos seems very odd to me.
keiran
S2 licensed
Quote from BWX232 :I don't care if you don't think it looks right or not.. The fact of the matter is that there is in fact suspension movement and all the fanboys saying there isn't are wrong. No one is arguing that the susp. movement looks better, but that it exists.
This whole thing just shows how fanboys will be fanboys no matter what proof they see. illepall


You are also wrong about the download speed.... Maybe go get a better internet connection.



You just had to use the most extreme way possible in showing it, is how I understand Blackout's post. Why not use the Lupos, Meganes etc which Boris was refering to earlier on?

Watching from off-board cameras in rF in normal conditions with the usual crop of cars and you see very little suspension/car movement if any. In LFS to show you suspension movement no one had to go use a super soft setup and fly over the jumps on the rallycross (i.e that would be the extreme in LFS), it's clearly visible in any race running at this time of posting.

Well I also found download speeds to be fairly slow, 40/50kb/s. Currently downloading something at 250/275kb/s, or do I also need a better connection
keiran
S2 licensed
Quote from Blackout :You took an extreme example to prove there is actually any suspension movement but atleast for me it doesn't look right, it's not smooth and just doesn't look good as LFS. Also that download is slow, and waste of time just like this thread.

Agreed, it's the same with that video of the car driving over speed bumps at a considerable speed.
keiran
S2 licensed
Quote from Scawen :If you and Kid know so much better (as you claim) how to make a racing simulator, then why the **** don't you get off your arse and make your own one?

Well put!

Totally agree. As much as I would love to see LFS flying through adding loads to the core of the game there needs to be time spent tidying things up and adding the little small features that make LFS, LFS.

Look at nK Pro which seems to have taken the route of working flat out on the very core of the game and adding loads of features but is very very buggy and not very user friendly at all.

I'd rather see LFS gradually build its features up and not go the full bananas as nK Pro has tried and found it's self in financial difficulties with about 2 loyal people trying to defend it as all the new commers try figure out how to actually get the car moving
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keiran
S2 licensed
Quote from tomylee :Nice video

There I just see when one tyre is in the air that it stops to turn, thats crap/bug illepall

heh?

That often happens. Watch the Clio Cup (or similar racing series where you often see this) and you'll see the unloaded rear tyre often in the air not even turning as the driver is a) on the brakes or b) it has ran out of momentum.

Keiran
keiran
S2 licensed
Quote from BWX232 :The url contained a malformed video id.

That's from a poorly made mod (in that particular regard).. regular cars and well made mods don't have that problem.

For some reason the URL decided to included the end braket, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGV2HI00juc

So both mods are poorly made then, the so such highly acclaimed CTDP F1 mod?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBVxoRLZS2c - what put the BMW on its side :S Contact from the following car couldn't have been enough to scratch a rear bumper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyOC5ewZPe0 - :S Strange collision there. Car teleports into it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXiA2HlXhDw - strange reaction for a kerb and a car that goes into the ground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAvGgfuEW2w - again strange collision behaviour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teXRv-tHfKY - again strange collision behaviour and reactions.

The reactions in rF are hardly much more realistic than LFS but in a different way. I can race normally in LFS with 99% of the time nothing strange happens. Last time I can remember getting strange crash behaviour was hitting the wall hard at AS Club on the exit of the fast S bit in the FOX. But when the car rolled and banged about it actually looked like what it probably would. Rather than roll effortless till it eventually stops which is what happens 99% of the time rFactor. I very rarely have a crash in rFactor that I think is convincing, I'm always left thinking "was that it".

The suspension movment and body roll in rFactor can hardly be called realistic or anywhere near LFS, call people fanboys if you want for saying what is fact. It doesn't look very convincing and it is often not noticeable that the car is actually moving around. Racing in LFS you can actually see when someone in fronts car is moving around and looking loose at the rear and it all looks natural, something I haven't witnessed in rF yet.
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keiran
S2 licensed
Quote from BWX232 :Well one thing is for sure, rFactor does door-to-door racing and rubbing on-line much better than LFS.

rFactor actually sends more date to your PC about the people closest to you, that's why it works so well. rF's net-code is way more advanced. In LFS all kinds of crazy things happen all the time, even with good ping/latency. I've been punted off the track at 5 times the speed by little tiny bumps more times in LFS than I care to remember, and it never happens in rF..

Maybe the physics behind collisions aren't better in rF, but the end results are way better. I've played both expensively, and that's my experience.

Door-to-door racing works 99% of the time for me Only problems with strange outcomes after collisions are when people forget the brake pedal and maybe if there is some heavy impacts but usually you just get spun around or aided into a slide.

The thing I find with LFS crashes is when the car rolls and bangs around it looks full of energy like it should do but in rFactor they just sort of flop around and just eventually stop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGV2HI00juc). Anyway I'm sure Scawen will do something in the future to resolve the current problems with high speed impacts.

From what I've seen of rFactor racing you seem to be able to drive through parts of car (mainly wheels) which would obviously make collision detection easier ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ghL_VIMZzk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSBJ10UOWf8 (3.40 onwards)

Keiran
keiran
S2 licensed
Awesome stuff. Would love to give one of them things a bash, look great fun.

Quite surprised that no small racing series has come out of this concept, or has there? By racing series I mean having various rounds during the year racing wheel to wheel rather than the autocross type tests that seems to be done with them.
keiran
S2 licensed
Quote from jaws99 :It all depends on the cash you are willing to spend. Get yourself a decent kart with some leathers etc , take it to a track and practice until you think youre ready to race competitively. I don't know how hard it is to just turn up and race at tracks in Egypt. Here in England it's pretty easy.

? If you turn up wearing a set of leathers to a MSA karting event in the UK they will promptly fail you at scrutenerring and send you home. Here it isn't quite as simple as jumping in a kart and going for a race, you need to pass an ARCS test and tbh I can't see it being hugely different over there.

Quote from Becky Rose :It has a reputation as being a cheap formula. It's reputation is total bo*%£!, it's one of the most expensive club formula's going.

I can't understand how you can claim that two 4 stroke engines which rev nothing like two strokes as being more expensive or even near as expensive.

I raced a Honda in my year of cadets and it was my cheapest year ever by a long shot. We didn't have to worry about engine mileage or anything, the thing was already a good few years old before I had my hands on it. There were a few people in my class with brand spanking new Hondas for that year and they had no obvious advantage.

I've yet to see a Honda engine on a cadet or a pro-kart to go bang in anyway, but seen plenty 2 strokes go pop. Just two Sundays ago I saw the big end go on a Snr Max, although the owner claimed it had done over 100hours :| Personally I'd never dare go over 15.

@Leprekaun
Go visit your local clubs, find the class for your age group and pocket. Make sure the class has a good turn out every race meeting and purchase a kart to suit. Bear in my mind that there will always be running costs, such as engine rebuilds etc.

I'm sure you'll find some helpful people to give you advice on what class to enter and on what to look out for when buying a kart (if its second hand). The main thing I'd recommend is finding out how many hours the engine has had on it, there's no point paying too much for something that may be at the time it needs a rebuild.
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keiran
S2 licensed
I can't understand how someone can buy OpenOffice on eBay :s

It's not like it's a well known product such as Microsoft Office so you'd think people would give it a quick google and see what it `costs`.

Can't complain really, it's them sort of people that leave my Dad with some extra pocket money when with a little google could buy the goods from a shop cheaper
keiran
S2 licensed
Many things went against Rossi this year. The two engine failures and tyre failure cost him big time but I reckon he will be more motivated than ever next year on the 800s.

When you look at the detailed results with average top speed etc, Rossi was no where against all the Hondas and the two Ducatis. He was something like 7km/h slower and 15th on the chart so there is no doubt he was probably having to take more risks and drive harder on corner exit to keep with them.

Nice to see someone else at the top after Rossis total domination of the MotoGP class.
keiran
S2 licensed
Quote from hughesie89 :i paid THIRTY bucks for it
the user has deleted his account (on ebay)

he gave a link to download the latest version (direct download from you guys)
AND A USR NAME AND PASSWORD WHICH I ENTERED into LFS and it said S2 Licence (which i was happy about) then i went into single player and TRIED to select a car other than the demo ones when i click a blank screen comes up (except for car, and ok) i thought i was strange so i just clicked ok it said could not load unamed's car

PLEASE HELP

p.s logining into the site doesn't work with the given details

Website login has a different password to game login.

It sounds okay then if you managed to unlock LFS that means the account is okay. Only problem is without access to lfs.net this person can easily just change the game password and thats you back to demo.

You did download LFS from : http://www.liveforspeed.net ? and made sure it was this one : FULL VERSION : Install version U from scratch (138 Mb) and not one of the patches?
keiran
S2 licensed
Quote from nutty boy :Notice how the guy holding the umbrella carries on like he heard absolutely nothing. Boring Bastard. Ah Shit.

That is Kimi's fitness guy and he does smile. I've got it in on my HDD in a far higher quality and he does grin
keiran
S2 licensed
I'll give it a bash
keiran
S2 licensed
Quote from anbiddulph :in F1 the pitstop lasts only 6 sec and that includes fuel

The FXO GTR isn't an F1 car

From the little I've seen of the FIA GTR races the pitstops take a fairly long time with only two wheels being changed at a time and I think fuel isn't allowed to go in while the tyres are being changed.

Keiran
keiran
S2 licensed
Quote from Rappa Z :well, next year will be Kimis year, so Alonso is done.

Is it?

The last two races the Ferrari's have had one engine failure, a gearbox problem and a fuel pressure related problem.

Something gives me a bad feeling about next year from Kimi's point of view, knowing his luck McLaren will be the team to be in
keiran
S2 licensed
erm you might want to edit your post quickly to avoid people getting pissed off at you for ruining there GP they haven't seen yet... You do realise some people have to watch delayed coverages etc...
keiran
S2 licensed
Quote from Rappa Z :eh, i forbid myself from watching the race due to the Ferrari engine problem last race.I use to be a big fan of Scumi and f1 but now I hate this, f1 is all about waiting for the other driver to make a mistake or pass them using pure power, at least in LFS you need/use skill to pass.

heh, that makes no sense at all to me

F1 has been like that for years now. Most motorsport is like that. The only way a driver will usually get passed at such a high level of racing is through pressuring the other driver into a mistake.

In LFS the majority of cars we are racing don't get affected so badly from the `dirty air` and are slower. Add the fact we can't knock any corners off the car nor the wings then overtaking is made simple. Plus the majority of people in public servers don't defend nor do they actually fight very hard when trying to overtake.

The FIA need to get there act together though. The rule changes for 2005 actually made the racing worse as drivers were finding it a lot harder to get anywhere near the car in front. Just can't understand how an organisation can make so many mistakes Surely they can get advice from people with knowledge on aerodynamics...
keiran
S2 licensed
Yes you can install it on 2 computers to play it over a LAN. But only one username may be online at a time.

You could though use the same username and just make different player profiles within LFS. Just means you both can't race online at the same time.
keiran
S2 licensed
Yup its probably quite a handy thing to be able to shift without the clutch.

My Dad told me that years ago he was a pasenger in a bad car smash. The driver hit a weather post thing and my Dad's legs actually got trapped under the seat.

He got checked out and got the all clear but was still in pain. He decided to sleep on it and in the morning woke up and was in even more agony. They didn't have a phone in their flat and all his flat mates had gone off to work.

So he ended up having to drive to the hospital but just couldn't put pressure on the clutch without being in pain so what he did was start the car in gear down the hill so he didn't have to use the clutch at all. Although I bet cars following coming up to red lights were a bit annoyed since he had to cruise towards them as he obviously couldn't stop without stalling

In the end the staff at the hospital couldn't believe he was actually able to drive a car in his condition. The accident had done some serious damage to something in his back and he ended up having to lie still in position for weeks.

So it does have its uses as if he had to use the clutch then he probably just couldn't have done it.
keiran
S2 licensed
Quote from speedfreak227 :I've driven many hours in the rain on slicks with my kart. It's like being on wet ice.

It's great fun.

speedfreak227

Is indeed

Although I still remember when I was in Jnr TKM and was the only one on the grid with wets on (had a bad day so thought I'd gamble). It had already been spitting but not wet enough for wets until we just started to get ready to leave and it just started throwing it down, Scottish weather for ya

Anyway one guy was weaving about like crazy on the parade/rolling start lap and ended up having to countersteer which put him into the side of the guy alongside him. Chain reaction sent that guy flying off the track and he hit the MSA clerk of the course and knocked her flat on her face, to make things worse the sudden impact seemed to make the guy hit the throttle harder.

Race was red flagged and unlucky for me everyone changed to wets for the restart

Oh and the clerk of the course was walking wounded the rest of the day, although I wouldn't like to be in the shoes of the guy who caused the accident when she got her hands on him
keiran
S2 licensed
http://www.savastore.com/produ ... 9874&pid=45&tid=3

Savastore is the only place I can really find it up for `sale`, although they have no stock.
keiran
S2 licensed
Quote from Jakg :
@ ^ You could go for a 6600GT (about £55), or a better bet, an AGP 6800GT

Had a look around for AGP 6600GTs and they seemed to be about £155 new :s. I'm sure they were cheaper than that when I saw them half a year or so ago .
keiran
S2 licensed
Alonso has a new engine this race if memory serves me correctly. His was on it's 2nd run last time out after people were so worried his would blow up after his push right till the end of the Chinise GP.
keiran
S2 licensed
Ever tried playing an Xbox360 online with one of them headsets?

My experience is limited but man does it annoy the hell out of me. Some people having a personal conversation and others making random noises.

All I need is someone shouting "Shift + R", "BLUE FLAG", "OMG! U n00b wrecker".

There is no reason for this to be implemented into LFS IMHO the thrid party programs are more than adequate.

LFS is a racing simulator, not a chatting one.

Keiran
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