nK isn't playable online anymore now anyway (not that it was in the first place). Unless you do it by direct IP. the MySQL servers down.

Everybody learns at different paces. I actually can find learning tracks in LFS to take quite a bit longer than for example it took me to learn a kart track in real life. When I traveled to `away` races I only had the 3 lap practice in the morning to learn the track. Yet I'd find myself quite close to the pace, and gradually by the end of the day was nipping on the heals of the regulars.

I'm down to a 1:00.8 at AS Club *I think*. I find lap count to be irrevelant, if you really get your head down you'll learn the track quicker than when just racing casually.

Keiran

Quote from Captain Slow :

aahh but faster 111 is only 15 and may therefore not have a bank card to be able to pay for it. and he might have evil parents that hang him from his feet evrynight, and therefore will not pay for him

I've had a bank card since I was 11 ...

I gave it a bash, it's an improvement over GTR and the best ISI based game I've played. Ironic that SimBin have done a better job with the engine that ISI built and use for rFactor

The FFB effects are just terrible though. These days I think most computers could handle real time (maybe ISI engines don't do the maths to do proper FFB). Personally flashing the words "UNDERSTEER!" in big red letters is what the understeer effect feels like. It seems to be the same old effect played for understeer.

To me it felt like by the time you noticed the oversteer it was to late, nothing seemed to indicate the car was oversteering until it was to late.

Another thing that annoyed me was the random FFB effects, my wheel was actually shaking while the car was stationery, was like holding onto a steering wheel of a car which was being driven through huge pot holes.

An improvement but personally I feel this should be a free patch with GTR and not worth another £35 or what ever they will charge.

Quote from kuba.g :

Normal games can't stop you from being installed on more computers for lan parties.
Kuba.

I can guarantee that you are breaking the TOC of those games. So in short what you are doing is illegal.

Just because these games don't have such a good system as LFS doesn't mean that it isn't illegal.

Keiran

Quote from kuba.g :

Man that sucks I'm not buying it unless you can bypass this somehow.... :cry: :cry:

It's such a good game but why on earth am I not allowed to race against my friends when I pay the 24 pounds??
I'm not going to pay dubble the price to be able to race with 4 computers.

One customer less for LFS because of dumb terms of usage

Perfect example of someone who hasn't read the terms and conditions of any software or games. Pretty much all software you buy will state that you can only use it on one computer.

LFS just has a very good system in place which makes it more obvious to people.

Keiran

On `safety grounds` :/, even if they did impair the drivers vision I bet after a few laps the drivers would have started using them to help guide the front of the car into the corners. Everyday when you drive a road car your vision is impaired by the roof beam things, but you learn to cope.

I like seeing new things like these in F1, makes me think how does someone come across that idea.

Keiran

Quote from kidzer :

Nice

I didn't know you were part ot Ten-Tenths (im kidzer there aswell )

I enjoy going to sprints/hillcimbs, I only spectate at the mo, but theres a FFord in the garage minus an Engine, hopefully once it gets a powerplant me and dad will do a few events in it hopefully

Shame about the lack of track time at them though, I guess it's an advantage karting (just 'testing' - not racing ) - you can just go up whenever you fancy, and the only limit on the laps you can do is how much fuel/oil you take with you

Or how long the engine lasts

Sounds great Tristan My Dad was looking at a Formula Renault chassis for putting together a car for sprints & hill climbs but it went for too much. My Dad wants to get back into hill climbing and sprinting next year. The plan is we will both enter Still need to track down everything though we plan to use a motorbike engine

Off topic Kidzer,
You going to go to that non MSA event at Boyndie next month ?

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Last time I remember reading something like this is turned out the person used someones credit card without their permission. The person who owned the credit card informed there credit card company and in turn the devs revoked the license.

Keiran

Quote from Racer Y :

I dunno, maybe I'm confused about the ESA(?) thing.... The Gov't just gives the money out to anyone that falls below a certain income level? Uhhh
Shouldn't that money be more dependent on Grade point averages? and
getting more $$$ depending on maintaining a certain grade point average?

You usually have a meeting with the head master of the school who will set you targets that you must achieve to obtain the payments. If you don't achieve the targets you will lose the payment for that week. You will also lose the bonus payment for that session.

Problem is most head masters don't seem to stick to there guns with this

Quote from faster111 :

arghhh



Please, try to keep the discussion on topic, so we can all have so much fun in here.

***edit: keeping it tidy -Janezki

Wow, for a moment there I thought Faster111 had started typing correctly Then I saw the edit note.

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Quote from DejaVu :

I've spent much more time in gtr/gtl than in lfs - it's a way more polished product.

GTRs netcode didn't work illepall How are they more `polished` than LFS. LFS has little to no bugs and works like a retail product at its v1.0 stage. To me something that isn't `polished` means you have to work around certain bugs to make it work, which I certinally don't have to do in LFS.

GTR2 is basically a patch that should have been free with GTR.

Keiran

Quote from faster111 :

worng about £100 bonus you could get up to £500 bonus becuase i have seen an addvert for it.

Where'd you get that figure from!?! As far as I'm aware you can only receive up to £150 in bonuses if your centre agree that you met all the targets set out for that session.

I've received EMA payments for the last two years and will do so for another two. Pretty much all the money I've got has gone into an ISA savings account.

Personally I feel I should be using the money for something better than a computer game. At the moment I'm saving as much money as I can to help me through uni.

Tristan is right though about the EMA money. I saw so many people at school staying on just to receive money. They had no intentions in learning anything and most of the time the teachers just sent them out of the classes.

It's pretty sad but the system is abused a lot, and I know from what I've seen over the last two years. It may have been setup with good intentions but in practice for the majority it doesn't work.

Keiran

Quote from Gunn :

The way they (Top Gear) trash any little thing just to get a laugh I wouldn't want them to review LFS at all. Especially in its unfinished state.

Exactly what I was thinking. Will hardly help the game become more aware as they will just end up promoting something like GT4 because it sounds `better` and has real cars/tracks.

Keiran

Why would they be of any help to LFS' development

The three of them can't drive a car properly around a track. Clarkson's time in the old resaonably priced car around the track which he has probably driven around many laps before, got thrashed.

Captain slow isn't any better and all I ever see the `Hamster` do is power-slides.

Theres probably people in this community (going by a previous thread) involved in real life racing with similar cars to LFS who have a far better idea on how the cars should react.

As much as I enjoy top gear, I don't want to see LFS on it as I don't think it would help LFS in anyway.

Keiran

I'm sure everyone will find your race with those details

Quote from george_tsiros :

illepallillepall

Don't F1 cars have speed limiters?

So who would decide when the speed limiter is required to go on and off ? The driver who wants to make up the time to the driver in front ? The speed limiter is going to go slower than what they are doing behind a safety car. Speed limiter will let them hit 60mph or what ever it is, where as in a straight line the safety car is going to let them hit more than that.

The safety car is a very effective way of controlling the pace, end of story. You don't put marshals lifes at risk when they don't need to be.

Every form of racing has a way of brining a race down in pace in the event of an accident. Be it a red flag or a safety car.

I've seen someone get thrown out of a kart in a huge accident where the kart cart-rolled about 6 times, at a very fast part of the track. The marshals were so busy watching that they weren't waving the red flag, are we going to race with a kid lying at the side of the track ? Yes, if the officials don't bring the race to a stop who's going to ? We all want to beat each other so who's going to ease off and maybe let another driver pass you ?Just as we reached that corner again a marshal waved the red flag.

Racing drivers are looking to take every advantage possible so a safety car is the only way to make sure no one is pushing through the dangerous zone at racing speeds.

Keiran

Quote from george_tsiros :

I doubt that F1 drivers need the safety car to keep slow and/or their relative positions (not distances, only relative places). I bet when the safety car is in front of them they are thinking "for %^&#'s sake... why the @#$%^& don't they just tell us thru the intercom 'wreck at T3'"

oh well... regulations, regulations, regulations...

(i just thought of another reason... with the safety car, all F1s get closer and make racing a bit more interesting)

illepall

F1 drivers will want to make up as much time as possible so will push as hard as they can no matter what. The safety car will force them to slow down. Hence why F1 drivers often put there hand up when they see a yellow flag to say they've `achknowledged` it.

Marshals work for free. Would you want to be standing on the banked corner at Indy in 04 where Ralf is sitting in the middle of the track looking rather dazed while other cars fly past you at 200mph ? If a F1 driver hit a marshal it would kill the marshal instantly and could even kill the driver.

Keiran

Yup locked diffs have become the must have thing in R/C racing (1/10th touring cars). I still need to make the leap from the one way diff. Although I've never heard of anyone run them front and back.

The locked diffs in R/C cars seems to give very good acceleration out of corners but tend to be very hard on the drivetrain

Keiran

Yup, just like a lot of the race drivers sometimes only complete an installisation lap to check the systems in the car are working.

Keiran

Various things affect it but I think most teams focus on race setup, tyre selection etc.

I think some teams like BMW just run a lap on very low fuel compared to the rest to put them at the top. Just gives the sponsors more publicity. In the end if the test driver was the best driver they had he'd be sitting in the race seat. Look at Davidson he was topping the Friday practice all the time but is still a test driver.

Quote from george_tsiros :

Thank you for your support... but i see even f1 drivers do that some times? Or does that not matter much because when they do that they risk spinning or something like that?

I like to corner cleanly, the tires barely touching the curb. i consider the curb to be something like pavement= out of track. I am slower but i find great pleasure in style accuracy cleanliness and control.

In real life most curbs have a very severe profile to make it sore on the driver and car for driving on them. You're allowed to drive on the kerbs because two wheels will usually still be on the track which is defined by a white line. Racing is about maximizing the track.

Even in karting where theres no suspension you'll still clip some kerbs to get better corner speeds, although hitting them to hard usually hurts

Keiran

Quote from alland44 :

I have been there, and tried it out. It`s very very funny, unpredictable and different.

Who get an idea like this - Only a mad swede can think of something like this.

Well done Filur and Fel !!

Or a British TV show called Top Gear

Quote from faster111 :

i only got to lap 5 and lfs crashes could it be a fulty card

Well that was my point, why ask us if you'll manage a 26lap race. How will we know ?

Thing is nearly all racing drivers wear tinted visors to avoid the sun glare ...