Comparison. The only huge difference is the initial turn in, Alonso gets the front end to bite and it works well. I very much doubt he screams out for Traction Control when any team will say that the quickest way is to use minimal TC. Button probably likes his car setup with a good balance front to rear but Alonso probably likes the balance towards understeer giving him more rear traction. Probably one of the factors why Alonso always seems to have great traction to his competitors. On subject of driving styles the two I enjoy watching most are Kimi and Alonso.
It's hard to see what will happen next year with two of the best drivers on the grid swapping teams. I have a feeling that Kimi will dominate from start to end. Massa started coming better towards the end of the season but I've still not witnessed him have to fight someone hard. Anytime I have it usually ended in tears or him giving the other driver hand gestures when it was his fault
I reckon Lewis Hamilton will be somewhere around Alonso in pace from the word go. As has been said by current F1 drivers & test drivers with the V8s it's not so hard for the drivers coming from GP2 to adjust. Look at Rosberg, bloody impressive first race taking fastest lap. He also has more mileage in the car with Alonso stuck in his contract to the end of the year along with Kimi as well.
Lewis has been impressive in everything he has done and I doubt that's going to fade away although McLaren need to pick themselves up and recover big time. Although we've seen them do it before, so they aren't a team to discount.
We found out the hard way that ISPs can do what ever they like and get off with it .
For about 2/3 years we were with a company called e7even, was cheap and cheerful. A lot of people had problems with them but we had very few and had far better service/customer support than we were getting with BT at my parents shop.
e7even basically ended (obviously owed Tiscali and Netservices money) when Tiscali and Netservices ganged up and cut us all off to this `walled garden` where they basically said take out a contract with this company no one has heard of (reselling Tiscali services) or be stuck in our walled garden.
For about a month we and many others were banging on fighting with Ofcom to actually do something. BT said they couldn't do anything without Ofcom giving the go ahead so basically it all came back to Ofcom who don't have any power at all judging by the many phone calls we had with them
All we wanted was a migration code/tag removed from our line but nope. This company called EzzeDSL claimed they couldn't do that yet they managed to do it within 24hours when you handed your cash over for a 12 month contract.
The laugh of it was that Ofcom couldn't do a thing and weren't that interested. I think they got a bit of a shake up when quite a lot of us got in touch with our MPs who were forwarding the letters on. Now it seems they are trying to push through a new migration system after what happened to the e7even customers.
To me it seems totally bizarre that it's your phone line yet you seem to have very little control of what's installed on it etc...
I've played no other racing game where there is such a number of online racers and I'm talking from S2 servers. All the other games out there I've tried have dribs and drabs spread out over loads of servers. Or the server with lots of people is passworded. I don't usually have much of a hard time finding people to race in LFS, theres usually something available for most of the different cars with a half decent grid.
LFS is probably one of the cheapest games on the market and it never ages.
GTR, do you excpect SimBin to actually do anything more to it? Nah they slapped some new cars in the game and a few little extras, slapped a 2 in front of it and charged another £35/40.
How much more do you want? Devs working there socks off adding new features and extra goodies. Not just fixing bugs like most other companies out there will do in the one and only patch they release.
Real tracks would be nice but what we have now is more than good enough. Racing is racing.
Not sure if it was just on the news up here but I remember not too long ago that a police officer got off with excessive speeding by saying he was `practicing` :/
I'll stop you there before you embarrass yourself. What you claim is a kart is something powered by a 4 stroke gene engine that if it's an indoor centre probably does about 30mph if your lucky and has tyres that may as well be made of plastic I was talking about a 2 stroke that revs to about 15 000RPM and has some nice sticky tyres not made to last an entire year.
I wish that was true up here, then the clubs wouldn't be struggling to survive and having to do money raising events.
You said I didn't have any and judging by your complaint about the F08 can't have much yourself. Light taps of the throttle don't result in a spin in the BF1 with TC off yet alone the F08. You can hit the throttle quite hard in the F08 with enough room on the outside counter-steer to keep it in a straight line.
Well the throttle makes you go forward so is a key part in car control. You can balance a car on the throttle and use it to help weight transfer so yea I think it's one of the most important aspects in racing. Especially in a fairly powerful RWD single seater.
When did I say I know more about car control than anyone else Your putting words in my mouth People around here have driven the real thing and one of them has already posted in here that drives something very similar I said judging by your post I have a better understanding of car control than you do.
I haven't driven the FOX as much as I did before the latest patch. What exactly does having a faster lap mean? Especially when it's an online PB where you can easily get a draft. I know that I can quite confidently beat that PB if I wanted to spend hours in the FOX again and I know I can also average that sort of pace throughout a race.
These days I'm bored of the FOX and with the little time I have these days I like to race the other cars. MRT, LXs, FWD cars and even the F08 if I can get a race.
By the way just looked at your race history and it seems you struggle to get into the 8s, mid 9s to 10s is your usual fastest lap. You also seem to only ever race the FOX.
Just because a lot of people say they like the F08 here gives no reason why the servers aren't popular. Most people are from different countries and not to mention the vast majority of people that play LFS wont look up the forum. The F08 got a very bad name before the new physics patch and I still think it hasn't recovered from that.
Wow, someone knows my racing experience without even knowing me . I've got about 3/4 years experience of thrashing about a kart at 70mph with sticky slicks. So as far as I'm concerned probably have a better understanding of car control and judging by your complaint about the F08 I gather you have no track experience.
If this is aimed at me then your totally wrong. There is quite a few things in LFS that aren't right yet but what your complaining about isn't one of them in my books and you've yet to state anything solid about what is wrong.
Yes, thats because I raced in the Vixen Challenge season 2 using the FOX. I still do the odd FOX race as it seems to be the most popular single seater. These days I'm always looking for something different like MRT, LXs etc. If there was a F08 server about at the time that is not using the oval I'd be there but there is never one with anyone else playing when I'm on.
F08's throttle doesn't feel right ? :/ There is nothing hugely wrong with the car and it doesn't even take all that much to drive the thing. You can't just slam your foot down and excpect to get lots of traction, otherwise there would be no challenge in racing. These aren't scalertrix cars.
It's not a bug in LFS if your too lazy to learn how to modulate the throttle rather than use it as an on/off switch
F3, Formula Renault etc are all fairly hi-tech racing cars. They may not have the technology of an F1 car but they do cost a fair bit of money and are built for one task, racing. Building a racing car isn't a simple task of sketching out in the back of a notepad and putting it into production. Even kart chassis and engines are highly developed and in the case of some classes new evolutions of engine are released improving them slightly, amd this is in a single make series.
You seem to think that drivers in GP2, F3, Formula Renault are all rookies who have never sat in a racing car before, which is wrong by a far shot. Most of them will have raced karts since they were 8 years of age. They probably have the guts of 5/8 years driving experience before they reach Formula Renault. Ask any professional driver where they learnt most of there car control + racing techniques and they will say in their early years of karting. From there on it's about adapting the skills you've developed to suit the car you are currently driving.
It's just fact you can't slam the throttle down. You always see the odd person make a mistake in the series you have mentioned, hell a race doesn't go by when someone doesn't throw it off the road. But you can't compare it to an LFS race where people don't use the throttle correctly. None of them drivers in real life will slam the throttle to the floor if they know the grip isn't there to do that.
The reason you don't see many people (although people do) spinning out in F3, GP2 etc is because they don't just stamp on the throttle. It's called throttle control. They are also classed as rookies in that series but 99% of them will have raced other forms before reaching that stage to develop there driving ability.
The reason the car isn't used much in public servers is because people like you who obviously don't want to work the right foot and mainly because of how it drove before the physics update. There are so many cars in LFS that people usually stick to the car/tracks they know best, rather than venture off and try something new for a change.
I had many brilliant public races in the F08 and I hadn't used the thing in ages.
The car to me reacts in what I feel is a realistic manner. Nothing seems out of the ordinary. I don't know what you really excpect the car to do? Its easy to correct when you step slightly over the limit, it's fairly easy to feel when your close to the limit... I just can't see what is wrong with it in a such a manner that you call it unrealistic.
I've watched the replay about 10 times and at no point do I ever steer left before you smack up my rear end. Actually the first point I do is to try get the car pointing the right direction . I drove in a pretty much perfectly straight line, you actually come across to the right.
As Becky has stated she doesn't want anything to spill here, we either discuss it on the STCC forum or via PM but this will be the last I talk about it in this thread. I've reported it and it's up to the officials decisions on what happens.
The F08 is not difficult at all. There are much harder cars to drive than that in LFS. F08 is just a more powerful FOX in my books, just a bit more interesting since it is not so much `on rails`. I just think you are stepping over the limit of grip too often
You'd think you were talking about the F08 before we had a physics update...
If the teams are going to run an engine in they'll do it before they even hit the track.
When ever I had an engine rebuild I'd just keep the revs below a certain point at a test day and gradually build up. Never would you run a engine in at a race meeting. Makes no sense.
Was a very good event, even with the problems but I hope you stick with that qualifying system as it was quite a nice challenge
I'd like to apologise for continuing to argue about an incident after you had said to stop. I was just pretty hacked off at losing such a good opportunity after what I felt was a solid first race and a very comfortable position in the second race to work forwards from
Well I think you need to do some research as you'll struggle just to get a Blu-ray DVD player for that money.
On the subject of companies losing money on the consoles. They all lose money on these things for a couple of years but they will make a nice profit off them in the long run. Otherwise there is no point in doing it, it doesn't make sense. Sony aren't out there to give us a bargain they are out there to make money. That's the only way to survive, not give things away.
Lots of people buy the consoles to sell onto desperate parents who are in a desperate rush to please their child and don't mind paying a few hundred £s more if it gets Xmas sorted out .