Someone setting a fastest lap with a draft is not setting a quick time IMO. All they are doing is getting artifical help from a car in front. It takes more skill to get the quickest time via HLVC than drafting someone for the whole stright.
I like how you've gone off the topic of blue flags
No draft is needed to lower your pb... just drive quicker. Can't draft in hotlapping.
Also I hate it when people post message like that "GET OUT OF THE LINE". Backmarkers can hold the line if they want, all they have to do is yield and make it easy for the quicker car to pass.
edit//Crazy Harry, you are very wrong. Just proved the point that so many people have no idea what the flags mean.
Yea but you'll never get the same thrill as putting your foot down in something like a Rotax Max and racing wheel to wheel at them speeds. Or a gearbox, me dreams of the day I can get a shot of one of them things
Pro-karts are alright for a laugh imo, even with rotax max tyres on the thing it still just doesn't feel great. Just doesn't have the same kick as a 2 stroke.@evosports
It really depends on what your looking for. As Becky says running costs are high and you have to cover costs of damage not just to the kart but the engine. Engines need rebuilt etc so it really does depend whether you have the money and time to do the work.
I can guarantee you though, if you can afford to get running yourself in a half decent class you'll just be blown away by the speed and acceleration of the thing compared to what your probably used to.
Keiran
tbh if the kart is very old the class will probably not exist anymore. If you want to take part in MSA run meetings you will need a kart that matches a class, best thing you can do is head to your local club or where you plan to race most. See what the most popular class is that suits your needs. No point buying a kart if your going to be the only one in the class.
Depending what class you go into I still reckon your going to be £2000+ for a second hand chassis, engine and some other small gear just to get you running.
Keiran
Depending what class you go into I still reckon your going to be £2000+ for a second hand chassis, engine and some other small gear just to get you running.
Keiran
Technically they might be using road tyres but ones that are just legal, designed for racing 
Basically a slick with a few little cuts in them.
Basically a slick with a few little cuts in them.
Just back from Boyndie in pain but was a great days racing I still stay where I did when I raced, on the outskirts of Oldmeldrum.
Yea all them old pictures were on the old circuit. Really enjoy the new circuit though, even in a pro kart it's still pretty quick. Me and my Dad were racing today against someone who races pro kart endurance races and someone who is always on the pro karts weekend after weekend when they do the hire kart meetings. He has seemingly done 100s of laps of the track and at the start of the day I'd only done like 10.
Practice went well but wet with slicks made it very interesting
. 1st heat it was still damp, finished tbh a disappointing 3rd. Made a mistake and got sucked into the wet part of the track letting my Dad and the person who has done 100s of laps around the track past. From then I just picked away very small chunks from the leaders. My Dad took the victory in the end with a pass at the very last corner.2nd heat was going great. Started 9th! and was up to 4th after T1 and then 3rd by T2. Dad had a great start around the outside but someone just came right across on him and bent the tracking bar over the chassis (damn bendy ones). I was all over the leader but his defending was crazy, cutting my nose off with his sudden movements. I was setting him up for a pass into the final corner when a back marker was going very slowly on the apex of the turn, I locked up trying to slow down but hit the backmarker and spun on the kerb
Managed to regain a few places and finish 3rd taking the person who has done 100s of laps on the very final corner. Was so surprised to catch him so quickly, he had nearly half a straight on and within 2 laps I was on his case.So for the 3rd heat I was starting mid-field, 5th. Me and my Dad had a great start going up to 1-2 within a few corners. Either the end of lap 1 or 2 I got him on the exit of the last turn as he understeered wide and from then I just ran off with it. My Dad said that kart he had was just rubbish and the tyres on it were some hard things of a TKM. So coming into the final few laps I had like the whole 3 quarters of the straight if not the whole thing. When suddenly I feel a large bang to my right hand side and the engine revs went through the roof. Was just exiting the sharper hairpin that joins you to the old track. Dived into the pits and took another kart, took 5th I think, maybe 6th. That killed my chance of a front row start for the final so I thought I'd have my work cut out beating the person who's on them things all the time
So for the finals I lined up 4 alongside my Dad. The 3 of us that have been battling it out all had the same tires. First task was to get pass the person who was 2nd as they were only really there because of the problems me and my Dad had. 4 a breast into T1 (as in the start T1), I backed out as I had two karts on my inside. Managed to take 3rd but my Dad took the lead and I just saw him vanishing as I tried to get past the person who is seemingly always there. Got him by lap 2 and started to make chase, was taking small chunks out of him but finally some good luck for me, a back marker compromised him letting me get to about 3/4 kart lengths and from there I really put the hammer down. Managed to take the time out of him but in the process had a huge moment in the middle of the second fast right hander, clipped the kerb which must have been slightly wet still and it just sent the rear of the kart well out, no way was I going to recover it. But to my surprise I did, hit the kerb on the outside which stopped the rear sliding and off I went again. Final 2-3 laps I was on my Dads tail and it was wheel to wheel stuff. My Dad said he wasn't going to give any room and I was the same. I had a few attempts but nothing that was going to stick, basically trying to catch him out. Second last lap I was right on his tail into the final corner when he made a mistake, I got him into the loop but he managed to get me into the second part as I bogged down. But because of my wide line for the second part of the loop I had great drive and was half way alongside his kart into T1 but backed out as I was right on the inside and even if I did make it pass he'd get me around the outside into the next fast corner. So I planned my next attempt into the final corner. Got a great chance but again the slow back marker I ran into in the heats was pissing about, my Dad got him just into the braking zone but I didn't, he hovered over to the racing line a bit so I just had to get off the brakes and get down the inside ASAP to make sure he didn't turn in anymore. Which of course I understeered wide and let my Dad off for the run to the chequered flag. So it was a Smart 1-2 in favour of the old man
Was a great battle and the first time me and my Dad have had the chance to race wheel to wheel. We've both raced karts and my Dad has done hill climb.
Most of the prokarts were running the Vegas for the Max on the front and TKM tyres on the rear so half way through the race there was a good bit of oversteer. God that new section of track is bumpy, hit the kerb really heavily on the hairpin that takes you back onto the old track and it hurt! Problem for me and my Dad was we were too slim for the seats and you just rattle in them. I'm all bruised around my lower back and sides. Also my knees from whacking them off the steering column bolts.
Will most likely be taking part in the final non MSA round
. Only thing is it really makes me want to get back into it
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I was meaning Shaguar. In his picture the rear bumpers look to be the smaller ones. Over here by MSA rules we have to run bumpers of a certain width which cover the rear wheels quite a lot. In my opinion makes people less scared to cause contact but then I suppose it's all about safety. Still see many karts flip with wheel to wheel contact so I suppose this would be a reason against having smaller bumpers
. Keiran
Can say that again. Our car and trailer were written off by some reckless driver. She managed to rip her front wheel clean off and roll her car on a 30mph speed limit zone. She said to the police she didn't see what she hit so with that against her she was charged so you'd think insurance claims would be a piece of cake from there.
Well so far the insurance company tried to rip us offering us £900 for our Passat. My Dad being an ex-mechanic told them where to stick it and looked up quotes. They raised it to £1000 and we still couldn't see where that figure was coming from. When my Dad phones the woman at the call centre claimed to be on a website where we could buy a Passat of the same model for a £1000 but refused to give us the web address under the data protection act
Eventually managed to get £1500.
Still yet to see money for the trailer which is worth more than the car and this is about 2-3 months after the accident.
Well so far the insurance company tried to rip us offering us £900 for our Passat. My Dad being an ex-mechanic told them where to stick it and looked up quotes. They raised it to £1000 and we still couldn't see where that figure was coming from. When my Dad phones the woman at the call centre claimed to be on a website where we could buy a Passat of the same model for a £1000 but refused to give us the web address under the data protection act
Eventually managed to get £1500. Still yet to see money for the trailer which is worth more than the car and this is about 2-3 months after the accident.
So can anyone confirm whether or not this person was using U20?
http://www.huffsport.com/images/clio6_large.jpg
Not the same but not sure if they ever raced the mk1 clio (I think it's a mk1 I have, the old boxy shappped thing)
Not the same but not sure if they ever raced the mk1 clio (I think it's a mk1 I have, the old boxy shappped thing)
? A bit more detail needed me thinks. I was playing BL last night with U20
Chances are people are probably trying to join your server with U20 and the files are not matching rather than being the cheat. Although do people still see servers that are running a patch they can't join?
I'm sure it does as well. Doesn't a pocket of air develop between the two cars which in turn pushes the one in front. I don't think they physically push each other along but I could be wrong
I had to stop due to cash as well. My Dad has shown an interest in getting back into hill climbing so may go down that route and share a car probably in the road going category.
The karting line in the wet is just avoiding the racing line as you enter the corner as the buildup of rubber becomes slippy. Although I wouldn't say you'd do that all the time in the wet as some times you just lose more time than you'll gain well in my opinion. Through fast corners I never made the line any narrower. More down to personal preference in how you drive in the wet.
Smooth is the key to doing well. If you can find an outdoor circuit you'll probably get to use something a bit more meater. My local club have the slightly more powerful prokarts and I'm quite surprised at the speed of them. Still pretty quick for something any old person can get a shot of.
Anything you learn from hire karting will prove to be handy in a racing kart as the only differences really are engines size and lighter probably more developed chassis.
The karting line in the wet is just avoiding the racing line as you enter the corner as the buildup of rubber becomes slippy. Although I wouldn't say you'd do that all the time in the wet as some times you just lose more time than you'll gain well in my opinion. Through fast corners I never made the line any narrower. More down to personal preference in how you drive in the wet.
Smooth is the key to doing well. If you can find an outdoor circuit you'll probably get to use something a bit more meater. My local club have the slightly more powerful prokarts and I'm quite surprised at the speed of them. Still pretty quick for something any old person can get a shot of.
Anything you learn from hire karting will prove to be handy in a racing kart as the only differences really are engines size and lighter probably more developed chassis.
Cool, you guys run the small rear bumpers?
I really wish thats what we ran here, okay it minimises wheel to wheel contact but I think it would stop some people who just dive down the inside with no chance in hell of making corners if there was a risk of flipping.
Some pictures of mine, a different class for every year I raced. Can't find the picture of the aftermath of my Dad's big engine blowup. Just picture in your head T1 of a demo LFS server and you'll get the picture. My Dad was sitting 2nd with about another 10karts behind him, piston broke went through the casings and throw water, oil and petrol on the circuit all at probably the heaviest braking point in the circuit. What a mess, I'd never seen anything like it. Can't remember how many karts missed the restart due to damage
I really wish thats what we ran here, okay it minimises wheel to wheel contact but I think it would stop some people who just dive down the inside with no chance in hell of making corners if there was a risk of flipping.
Some pictures of mine, a different class for every year I raced
. Can't find the picture of the aftermath of my Dad's big engine blowup. Just picture in your head T1 of a demo LFS server and you'll get the picture. My Dad was sitting 2nd with about another 10karts behind him, piston broke went through the casings and throw water, oil and petrol on the circuit all at probably the heaviest braking point in the circuit. What a mess, I'd never seen anything like it. Can't remember how many karts missed the restart due to damage I think the best method to save having emtpy grid slots is have the confirmation before the race restart, might also minimize the people who like to fly into my car while I sit stationery off the track waiting for the restart. Just like a little pop up saying: Click okay to confirm slot in next race. Who ever doesn't press okay before the restart counter is finished or gets to 1 is put to spectate.
In real life cars that don't move usually have an inital launch and when they don't things can go terribily wrong like they did for Kimi one year. Rear ended a car which didn't get off the line. We have to deal with a bit of lag in LFS. real life there is no lag just your reaction times.
In real life cars that don't move usually have an inital launch and when they don't things can go terribily wrong like they did for Kimi one year. Rear ended a car which didn't get off the line. We have to deal with a bit of lag in LFS. real life there is no lag just your reaction times.
Not if the little ones have the skill
When I last went to a hire place about 6 years ago I was racing cadets and by this time was half way through my first season. One of the track workers came on the track with us and I just dived down the inside of him and pulled away. He was so cocky before we got in the karts I was determined to kick his ass. The reason he was all cocky was because I had my own gear so he seemed to think I was just some person with too much money and no reason for a helmet, race suit and boats. He actually pitted on the very first lap as I passed him into T1 and my Dad said something cheeky to him, can't remember exactly. Eventually my Dad told him that I raced in Cadets and that he shouldn't feel to embarased.
This Sunday I'll be taking part in a NON MSA event all be it I'll be renting one of the clubs big heavy pro-karts which are like a brick compared to what I've been used to My biggest worry is having someone who is on the minimum age taking part as he has just had to give up karting due to money issues. He has been practing in a kart since 6, started racing at the minimum age of 8 and is very small. He'll just kick everyones ass unless we give him a weight penatly
When I last went to a hire place about 6 years ago I was racing cadets and by this time was half way through my first season. One of the track workers came on the track with us and I just dived down the inside of him and pulled away. He was so cocky before we got in the karts I was determined to kick his ass. The reason he was all cocky was because I had my own gear so he seemed to think I was just some person with too much money and no reason for a helmet, race suit and boats. He actually pitted on the very first lap as I passed him into T1
and my Dad said something cheeky to him, can't remember exactly. Eventually my Dad told him that I raced in Cadets and that he shouldn't feel to embarased. This Sunday I'll be taking part in a NON MSA event all be it I'll be renting one of the clubs big heavy pro-karts which are like a brick compared to what I've been used to
My biggest worry is having someone who is on the minimum age taking part as he has just had to give up karting due to money issues. He has been practing in a kart since 6, started racing at the minimum age of 8 and is very small. He'll just kick everyones ass unless we give him a weight penatly
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The confirmation idea is great, can't stand the arrogance of some people that do that come back and just drive as if nothing happened. Is it possible to set a time that the server will just automatically restart the race? Say like 30seconds after the last racer has finished the race automatically restarts?
Last time I was in an indoor kart place was a friends party about 6-7 years ago (sparked off my whole step into karting). tbh no indoor karting track I've been to with them little singe engines have ever required much braking if any at all. Since they are little 4 strokes smoothness is the key to keep the momentum up, slide and you'll just start bogging down and lose out. Those karts indoors are very weight dependent though, you can easily gain a good bit of time being light so some young kids will kick ass of any decent adult.
(sparked off my whole step into karting). tbh no indoor karting track I've been to with them little singe engines have ever required much braking if any at all. Since they are little 4 strokes smoothness is the key to keep the momentum up, slide and you'll just start bogging down and lose out. Those karts indoors are very weight dependent though, you can easily gain a good bit of time being light so some young kids will kick ass of any decent adult.The admins have every right to do what they want on there server. They could ban every single LFS user and there's nothing you or I can do about it.
They pay for the server they can do what ever they want.
I can't understand why people moan about it. It's not like it's the only server on the list and at the end of the day the servers are not run by the devs. They are run by who ever pays for them so if your not happy with going by how others want to work there servers rent/buy your own.
*Rant over*, so whos going to start tomorrows "I was banned for..." topic
Keiran
How are the bars on the bottom left of your screen before this happens to you? The thing is you may not see any lagging but might be lagging yourself, last night I saw someone who was contstantly getting connection lost and kept coming back in slowing the server down (causing slow pits, joins etc).
Cool
I'm going to Aberdeen College to do an HND and then hopefully specialise into year 2 of Animation at Uni or if I fail to get into animation, graphic design.Keiran
I think it's programmed to do that some how. Can't remember exactly but I'm sure Fonnybone (correct me if I'm wrong) had put all sorts of measures in place to keep it under control.
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=11125 - how much more help does he want.
His problem is he ignores the help given. Faster claims it's a problem with LFS when it's clearly a problem (well from the info he has given) that it's his graphics card. He also claims it will be fixed in the next LFS patch, so basically waiting till his gfx card is out of warranty
His latest statement was that his graphics card is too new ...I was responding to Faster111's quote of:
So if he isn't going to listen about his graphics card then he should just give Tristan the account back so when Tristan is feeling generous again he doesn't have to fork out another £24.
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