Today see's the start of a new league at ConeDodgers.

Based on our server, [CD] Conedodgers 3 we now have an F1 style points league that changes its track every day,

No license needed, all CD team members if on the server will issue 12 hour bans for any rule breaking

The track will change about 4:00am every day

The laps will also be set so its fewer laps on long circuits and more on short ones.

There is also a pit stop required in all races.

The league will be live at all times with the points simply adding up and if it gets popular, the number on a grid to score points will go up

I will handicap anyone who gets a big points lead, nothing to do with race speed, just points

Cars that can be raced will change as well as the track and laps

Here is the list of possible tracks

BL1, BL1R
SO2, SO2R, SO4, SO4R, SO5, SO5R, SO6, SO6R
FE2, FE2R, FE3, FE3R, FE4, FE4R
KY1, KY1R, KY2, KY2R, KY3
WE1, WE1R
AS2, AS2R, AS3, AS3R, AS4, AS5, AS6R, AS7, AS7R

And these are the 7 sets of cars

GTR
MiniGTR
TBO (FXO, XRT, RB4)
LRF (LX's, RAC, FZ50)
FOX
FO8
MRT

The combo will only wast one day

All welcome,

Best of luck

I have just banned a top driver from all CD servers for using this cheat.

Please do not use any cheat on any CD servers at any time as this will always gain the user a life ban.

Very sorry to here this news, been great racing with you over the years and you are all always welcome on our servers

Quote from tristancliffe :

And a sim with real cars/tracks is not necessarily more realistic than one without. The aim is to reproduce the vehicle dynamics, not the exact circumstances.

I agree with you in the case of cars, if the devs put an LM Proto body on the F08 we would all drive it more than we ever do the F08 now, add a bit of extra power here, move the weight about and change the bodies would give more cars very quickly, but tracks i think we all would like real tracks so we can see what they are like.

I will never drive Monza but in a sim i can and many leagues would set up with date and track like the real series if we had the content.

The fact is we aint gonna get it but we can all dream.

Well said Aceracer, i am so glad you are in my team rather than against it

Do me a favour, Add [CD] Aceracer to you profile to show you are proud to be with us.

And "Do it right now" which sort of means "when you like"

Now all what you said has a serious flaw and that is who says it.

You have a spanish wife and you are german but i think the following rules apply in all countries.

When your wife says "ahora mismo" or "Get off that bloody computer game", this has the same meaning in spanish, german, french and english and it refers "right this second"

Eg. in my house the words "I need the computer to bid on ebay" means "right this second, if not faster", as bids are timed to the milli-second

Where as if i was to say "Can i go back on LFS, i have a league race starting" this has the real meaning of "will you be finished in an hour or two, sweetheart"

Last edited by birder, Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:26.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

True...
No matter how many times i said that in past, it doesn't matter, when i said that FE curbs are redicolous i get like one reply that agrees with me, others said something like "you're slow, learn to drive them", yea.. it's so much fun to learn hoping on the huge sidewalk-like curbs with sustaining no damage to the suspension, how's that got anything to do with racing? i might aswell play some shooter, it would feel the same...
The only two tracks/combos that feel realistic and ejoying to drive are Westhill (rev is better) and Ky National rev, and you can took a wild guess why is that... well cause they feel like real circuits, you know, real word, outside of the house... You feel like actually really racing there, not playing the game, it just feels right, every corner just flows nicely.. this is mostly noticable on Ky Nat rev... and c'mon, let's face it, how long will the people be in denial that real tracks and cars are not important? Really? There are real Nascar racers in iRacing, they're like practising their sessions in it, and they're bloody good at it.. you sure won't see them on AS3/GTR..
Real tracks DO mean alot, so do real cars, you watch a video on YouTube, see an F1 race, or Formula FBM race etc, you can relate to that, you know what are the speeds through specific corner.
I would change these 2580 combos for two real tracks any day, and be happy for a long time.. It was maybe irelevant when there was no proper sim before, and where there were no good real tracks in other sims as i don't count a Monza made by two 14 year olds... so seeing how good it can look in iRacing and how real it looks, i really can't be in denial anymore that they are not important..

Well said, a sim should simulate real life so real cars and tracks are a must.

My local track is Cadwell Park and i think i have done over 1000 laps round it at trackdays in loads of different cars from a Saxo to my own WRC Focus, a home made 7 to a Caterham R500.

I have Cadwell Park on rFactor, GTR2, GTL/GPL and Race07 and even though none of those games are as good as LFS you certainly get faster round the real track by using the Sim track to practice,

What i do is try all the cars and select one that is as close to the one i will be using by feel, not by looks. Even though the car i am using in the sim may be a different shape that make little difference as i can only see the dash when i am driving.

And this is one of the major problems with the development of LFS.

I feel that the devs have concentrated too much on the replay, AI and looks rather on the feeling inside the car.

Replays and AI Etc is great for a game you watch but does little to immerse you into the game.

If Patch Z had an extra car and a new track rather than all the other stuff that is nothing to do with racing we would have had over the moon.

Quote from mrodgers :

Birder, it's not your fault, it's the communities fault. You generously provide what the community wants.

Thanks for that,

I bet if there was a new car every month and a track every 6 months LFS would be twice as big and grow ten times as fast.

Full servers is the best racing and we will not get full servers without CONTENT.

At the exact time i am posting this, LFSW says there is 660 racers and 660 servers so you are right we need more racers and the only way to do that is get new cars and tracks (CONTENT). You certainly will not get many more with better A1, replay controls, and all the other in the last patch Etc Etc

I can get 282 on my servers with 192 racing but to get 192 racing we need 20000 racers and face facts thats never going to happen without more content, and if we have to wait over 12 months for a FZR dash there is little chance of getting more CONTENT and so more racers.

There was a pole a while ago asking which cars we wanted and there was a huge amount of people wanted a LM type cars (Prototype). An F08 with a body would almost do, but we got nothing.

I have had 3 emails from Team members today saying that they are trying other sims, including one WR holder, some have requested i set up a GTR2 server, several have or are trying iRacing including another WR holder.

To be fair i am fed up asking, just like most others are, because we never get what we want or when we want it and we dont even get a comment from the devs to keep us happy.

LFS is a sim that will develope into the number one but it could just as easily die while we wait.

I think 90% of us would not think twice in paying for more CONTENT if we could and there are a lot like me who spend more in a month on servers than we have spent on the game we love.

Sorry guys rant over.

Last edited by birder, Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:18.

Quote from migf1 :

Actually what EVERY built-in track has in LFS is at least one (unrealistically) nasty chichane, no matter how long or short the track is. Add to that, curbs that look & feel like pavements in Fernbay and bumbs on almost every corner in Southcity, so I wouldn't exactly call them "well thought"!

I have just been round the oval both ways but i still cant find the chicane

Quote from RudiTurbo :

I seriously dont understand the AS National love I Mean, it's pretty much as lame as the oval lol.

S1 times were good, Fe Gold, Fe Green, So Classic, that was teh shit

uh btw, we havent really got to the rev track era of S2 yet either. In S1, all the rev tracks became really popular suddenly, Green rev, Gold rev, So Long rev.
Go discover the rev tracks, they are really like new tracks
I cant imagine doing AS GT rev right now, I simply wouldnt know where the track went lol!

ohoh, and I know more, all the folks who even never been there during S1 times, get the hell out of the fast cars and try a slower car for once. LFS is not a game with 20 cars which all drive the same, every car drives so unique and differently from others. This is why LFS has loads of content, all the cars are just so different to drive. Just forget the FZR people!

TBO is the best class in the game, a car of choice for everyone, RWD, AWD, FWD. LX's are also a great a thrill to control!!

If I'd be driving FZR all day long, I'd prolly also be beggin for new tracks lol.

As the most popular AS3/GTR servers on LFS, we leave ConeDodgers 1 set to that combo all the time.

We have tried a track for a week, F1 points leagues, Skill Leagues, Other combos, Mini GTR's, MRT league, Multi-car league, long races, short races, changing combos after a number of races.

The fact is that with our 6 servers each with 47 slots and 32 racers its easier to fill 2 servers on AS3/GTR than get 8 racers on another combo.

ConeDodgers 4 has our hotlap challenge running on it and that can get a few racers on it at anytime, but its never full.

Lets fact a few facts, LFS is a great sim, in fact the best but it lacks CONTENT

The devs do a fantastic job and for such a small team so what else can we expect.

We all want 100 tracks and 200 cars but it aint gonna happen.

I am sure the devs are well aware that they lose players all the time but as long as there is as many joining as leaving they dont seem worried.

CONTENT is the key, just think back to the 2 most mental periods in LFS history

Just recall the BF1 and FBM/S06 introduction, everyone wants to try them as soon as they come out and if the devs want to keep players a new car and track every few months would do it.

One new car or track a year will not keep people coming back

When Patch Z came out, i was amazed how many of the old username appeared out of the woodwork.

In my eyes if the devs set that as goal rather than all the stuff only the few use, the number of players would rocket but until there is real CONTENT that changes regularly its going to stay static and AS3/GTR's will stay full.

Please, Please dont slate me for this post as i am one person who has tried everything to keep our servers full and to develope systems to do it but it would be so nice to have some new stuff to keep our users happy.

Last edited by birder, Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:16.

A Nutter goes to an LFS lan party to prove he was the best.

After being beaten he pulls out a gun and says to the first player

"Are you better at LFS than me", the player says "yes" and the nutter shoots him dead

He asks the next player "Are you better at LFS than me", the player says "yes" and the nutter shoots him dead

He ask the third player "Are you better at LFS than me", the player smiles and says "No, but my wife is..............."

Hi Mikey

I think your program could become much more usefull with some simple changes.

1) More smaller buttons so we have more messages
2) Allow admin command in a message (After all its only as if you did T and typed it)

So and entry of "/restart" would allow a server admin to restart by clicking a button

/RCM FULL COURSE YELLOW would then be allowed and we could have another button the switched it off

3) Allow multiple commands on one button

So and entry of /msg Sorry Guys a sleeper on the grid |/restart

This would all mean that your program could do what it does now and much much more and be very useful for race admins

Well done

Last edited by birder, Wed, 2 Jul 2008 07:59.

Quote from LiMiTED :

Is Y31 going to be released today?
I dont know if i should upgrade now or later

Come on mate give the devs a break, they have been working long hours so leave it to them

It will come

Quote from Scawen :

I can't resist any longer - please tell me who is that in your avatar?

Get a coffee

Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDUf6-n5G5c

and then get back to finishing patch Z

Quote from Becky Rose :

it'd be nice to see a few real hairpins like Druids at Brands, and some off-camber odd-lined corners like Russel Bend at Snetterton. I can't help but wonder if there are limitations to the design tools that prevent making corners too tight ! A few extremes of camber like Paddock Bend at Brands Hatch would also be nice

I fully agree with you, if we cant have real tracks have tracks made up from parts of real tracks so no fees like Brandserton or Snett Park

Becky, add to your list "The mountain" at Cadwell Park, I once did a charity event using my 2001 Focus 4x4 World rally Car to take passangers and when i asked what he thought one passanger said

"Just fit a toilet roll holder to the passangers side for when you go over the mountain"

I always smile going over that corner since.

It would be great to be able to have the ingame connection list into a useful order.

On CD1 we allow votes as its a public server but have a problem with stupid "vote to kick" users

Someone clicks a username to kick or ban often gets the wrong person as the list has re-sorted itself. (We have all done it)

Other lemmings then follow pressing 1

Currently the list order on a busy server is a nightmare as it moves far to much

It should be in order of when they joined, oldest on the top, newest at the bottom, that way the list movement would be at its minimum.

Latency bars should also be part of the connection list as its almost imposible to work out who has a connection problem from the bars to the list.

When someone who leaves they should stay in the list for X seconds but be marked as left (Colour change pehaps), if they rejoin they retake their place in the list

These changes would cure the "I clicked the wrong person" problem but not the stupid votes

To cure that the connection list could have V1, V2, V3 etc against those who have voted, where V1 started the vote.

We could also do a quick "Stop the vote" key say press 1 again so if some votes by mistake the vote started can stop the vote by pressing 1 again

Last edited by birder, Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:03.

Quote from Maelstrom :

I wonder about the quality of the simulator behind this machine and how can they create a 2G effect in turns? It's possible to create iinstantaneous G force of more than 1 G but for a continuous effect you need a centrifuge!

Its upto 2G, and in theory if you turn one way at 1G then the other way, the transfer could simulate 2G

Lotes tells me this system was 12 million Euro for the site.

It certainly needs to be busy to break even so i bet they gained a huge grant from the EEC.

I wonder if the devs gave them a free copy of LFS we could all get a free go in the sim, sounds fair to me..............

Quote from Bluebird B B :

Strange, in counter-strike very very long ago, they already implemented voice chatting for own team only.

Something simular can be done in lfs. Default, you hear nobody(everbody is muted) unless you allow someone to talk to you.

+1

Maybe even an extra button in the connections list so you click to allow them to talk to you and they have to do the same

Quote from JO53PHS :

You didn't look very hard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston

I also found:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwood%2C_South_Lanarkshire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westhill
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto

Could you help with a google map of the track near Aston as i cannot find it ..........

Correct,

Also 27th May Aston GP on a Redline Server

BF1
1. 2:32.540
2. 2:05.550 *
3. 2:10.710
4. 2:33.770

A second faster than Bawbag's WR

Come on server admins Ban the idiot.

Quote from andyb1982 :

I like the fact you can drive tracks like Cadwell, but when you see past the flashy mods, the game just doesnt feel right.

I have done Cadwell Park 1000's of times in many many different cars in real life (Its my local track).

For Sims i use a Frex motion system http://conedodgers.com/conedod ... iew&id=4&Itemid=1

The rFactor version has a few parts that are not quite right but its no way that bad. Use the Caterham R500 or the 6R4 and they are close to the real thing.

Going over the mountain sidwards still has the same feel its just that in a sim you dont actually crap yourself.

LFS is very good but you have to admit that having real tracks is an advantage, and look as hard as i can i just cannot find Aston on the UK map so maybe its not real .

Quote from masterlooser15 :

hay guys.. i think you see it.. in the username... the guy... was me...

so... what i want say it

i am really sorry, i am not kidding, a good friend give me this cheat.. i just tried it... it wasnt funny.. because the car was fu**ing the wall.. or other things.. no fun.. i want race with my own strenghts...

okay...

that was what i want to say...

but really cool to find a movie about himself on a "cheater"-Thread...

thx..

masterlooser

As you named yourself this is no longer a name and shame issue.

Seems a bit strange that you used the cheat on a CD server to get in the !top list more than once.

Your best time of 1:36.940 for FXR on AS3 which is over 4 seconds faster than the WR is still on LFSWorld so please dont try to put over that you only used it once as that is total crap.

You were even stupid enough to use it in a 10 lap race and even then you only came 2nd, so how sad is that.

Race
18th May - FXR (your times were)
1. 1:54.300
2. 1:43.820
3. 2:03.070
4. 1:50.710
5. 1:42.910
6. 1:37.200*
7. 1:43.420
8. 1:37.310*
9. 1:41.530
10. 1:38.210*

* faster than WR

[CD] Celmo still beat you, so even with a cheat you are crap

Anyway as we have said on CD servers using any cheat gets you a lifetime ban on all our servers which will never be removed and i hope other servers do the same.

You are one of 8 drivers who now have such a ban.

Not sure if you care but you certainly are a "Master Looser"

It only takes a few seconds to check the database for someone who has done an impossible split to find out who needs the ban so whats the point of using a cheat, after all you are only cheating yourself.

Quote from SabersKunk :

2 years from now it will look exactly the same.

I will agree with that, well we may have a mongolian language pack and other things we dont want.

I seem to be doing more and more rFactor and GTR2 lately, more cars, real tracks, i prefer LFS but its developement is just far to slow.

Last edited by birder, Wed, 21 May 2008 15:53.

Quote from NiTRo_SvK :

Sry for OT, but if you mean Mysho, he is 17 now.

Only Aliens age that fast...................

Quote from jarmenia :

What are the advantages of joining a team?

Dispite all that some say there can be great advantages being in a race team. Sets, training, skins, private servers, leagues, team races, team website, team forum Etc. ConeDodgers is the biggest team on the LFS listings and we have some great drivers (and some average ones).

We have team members who only use LFS every few months but others that on on every day. Our youngest driver is 16 and the oldest is 57 (you are only as old as the women you feel........).

Being in a team can be great fun and is certainly worth it.

Before you ask:

Membership of CD is by invite only but all i can say is put in some miles online and once you start winning races someone from a team will notice and will ask you.

We only have two team rules

#1 "Let birder win"
#2 "Refer to rule #1"

but if i threw people out for breaking it there would no members left.

Tip:

Make sure that you can leave the team if you want to or it can get rather nasty.

We allow that but have never had a member want to leave yet.

Fantastic work Victor, as usual......