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birder
S2 licensed
To be fair Lible I think its time I stopped supporting anything to do with LFS but i will not do that as i do not want to let people down.

Whos hosting you use is up to you

All I ask is that you all work together, nothing more, nothing less

If you want the domain pointing at your hosting just ask but please dont make me out to be the bad person here.

I think the PM you just sent explains the problems but why cant you guys sort this between you.

All the best
birder
S2 licensed
No problem here

I am not sure what the difference is between a website lfsdb.net and http://www.lfsdb.net which is the website domain

Maybe i am missing something, or you are......

Just to make it clear, when lfsdatabase went missing and some LFS forum members decided to make a new one, to support the community I registered lfsdatabase.eu and supplied an unlimited hosted for it. I did that at my own cost and without any charges.

I did it as i had used lfsdatabase in the past, and no other reason

in post #12 is said "If i can help with hosting like i do with http://www.lfsdatabase.eu just pm my "

To be fair i have been rather dissappointed in the new site however the site is nothing whatsoever to do with me

Why you and the other ones cant work together is beyond me.
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birder
S2 licensed
what time on 30th will http://www.lfsdb.net go live

Cant wait to see it,

personally i cant see http://www.lfsdb.net ever doing what you are saying or that it will be available for testing anytime soon
birder
S2 licensed
looking forward to seeing http://www.lfsdb.net when it goes live

If i can help with hosting like i do with http://www.lfsdatabase.eu just pm my
birder
S2 licensed
birder
S2 licensed
Quote from jakeeatworld :I tried iRacing around January this year and I can say I was bitterly unimpressed with it.
Until around 2 weeks ago I still had the same verdict about it, but then I hired another month and with a completely different state of mind from the first time round, then drove until I am where I am now, Class C road course 3.55. Now I thoroughly enjoy the simulator and have purchased 2 tracks, the Ford Mustang and FG01 V8 supercar. My opinion has completely changed about the sim because of the state of mind I went into the simulator with the second time round.

The moral of the story is, You can not drive iRacing in the same manor you would drive LFS. You need to be cautious, you need to be concentrating 100% every lap and if you let go of that concentration you might as well withdraw from the race. That is what I love about iRacing, it is a real simulator. Forget the cowboy overtakes, forget the flat out through yellow flags, forget not concentrating on anything but your own line, because if you even think of doing anything I have mentioned you are doomed from the green light.

That is my take on iRacing.

I agree with you as the same happened to me, but in iRacing i miss the fun we used to have in LFS, why? you may ask as nothing has changed. Well thats simple its just that the drivers are no longer using LFS
birder
S2 licensed
Maybe the dev's are working on the all important Yupik and inuit language packs, next after that must be Aramaic, Ugaritic, Akkadian, Maltese and welsh language packs.

The skills to decode rare, endangered and minority languages are of increasing importance to LFS, say academics in the field.

When we get those you watch as all the missing users flock back.
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birder
S2 licensed
Quote from CMoney86 : but I think that they made a big mistake by going with a licensed vehicle like the VW.


There will be a new version before LFS gets this one...

But i agree, the devs could make a ALMS prototype even it was just putting a body on a tweaked F08 and it would give LFS a new lease of life (for a couple of months)

I think the worst thing the devs have done is not help all those who run (Well ran) servers and leagues. I cut from 8 to 4 servers last year and i dont see much reason to have any when they are up fro renewal this year
birder
S2 licensed
LFS could certainly learn one thing from iRacing. Give the users small changes but often, rather than all this bull about its coming but no date. With iRacing its a free update every 3 months, with new pay stuff in between and there seems to be no one moaning about how slow developement is or asking when X will come.

However iRacing could certainly learn a lot from LFS in how simple it is to race multicar with who you want.

One of the biggest things in motor racing is trying to beat your team mates and this is 100% missing in iRacing.

They are both great sims but for different markets
birder
S2 licensed
Quote from jasonmatthews :

Now, they have finally listened

And thats the difference between the 2 sims
birder
S2 licensed
Many of the well known ex.LFS crowd race iRacing these days, if you are serious about racing then its very good, but if you just want some racing fun where you join when you want and can race with your mates LFS is better.

They both feel different but you soon get used to that.

The main thing that i find better in iRacing is there is something new coming out every few weeks, something that most of us wish LFS would do, and if they did a new car and track, and a bit of an update every 3 months there would be no such thing as iRacing.

And most of us would be willing to pay for it in the same way.

Now if its the best sim then nKpro takes some beating but it also need more cars and tracks.
birder
S2 licensed
Quote from AProst :Hi,

But I am afraid that those who don't care anymore with LFS won't come here to answer this survey.

I did Prosty.
birder
S2 licensed
Good man, but i would say it would be better for the community and the site to do it in smaller sections so people can download smaller one track packs.

Also at the same time upload packs with the original stuff in.

anyway just to explain to everyone, as at today

lfsdatabase.net forwards to lfsdatabase.eu
lfsdatabase.eu is live and growing
lfsdatabase.com is dead and goes to a hosting holding page

so its lfsdatabase.eu or nothing
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birder
S2 licensed
Quote from Lible :Now you are talking like I have told someone to stop using Bose's database. I haven't done such a thing and if his site is better then it is logical that people will use it.

As for saying ours will be much better, it's my own personal opinion and promise.

I think you need to read my post again, i have agreed with you that there can be more than one and the best one will be used most.

The bit you missed is that your domain goes nowhere so the current one is all there is.

As Scawen basically said about LFS, "If people want to write a better sim, then do it" but until they do the current S2 LFS is all they offer.
birder
S2 licensed
Quote from Bose321 :So just because there are not alot of files, it means the website sucks, bad overview, bad layout etc?

Instead of moaning there are not alot of files, I request people to upload something, but instead you all say it's so empty, so the other one will be better...

I am afraid thats not the way things work, you will have to route out the files and upload them yourself at the start, most people will say nothing as long as you give credit to them. If you dont, the site is doomed.

Think of yourself as a shop keeper, the customers will only visit once and if they dont find what they want they will leave and try another shop.

As the shop keeper you have to get the stock to keep the customers supplied and its the shop keeper who has to contact the suppliers.

At the moment you are the only shop so no one gives a shit what the shop looks like as long as they can get what they want.

When you first start to do something thats been done you have to be better, and its no good saying we will have stock when someone brings us some, you have to go get it.

There is 3 things that make a great website or game

1) Content
2) More Content

Um, are yes, what was the other, ah, that would be

3) More good content

Your problem at the moment is that your shop does not have much in stock. Not long ago there was this other shop that stocked loads and everyone used it, but it closed but maybe its going to reopen.

The fact is if you are not pro-active in putting up what people want quickly, so your site has the content for every visitor it will only be used while its the only shop and when there is a better one customers will use it.

All customers are loyal right up to the time you dont give them what they expect, but you lose them if you take them for granted, are not interested in what they say or there is something better

A bit like LFS (Oppps)

So its down to you, get the content to get the visitors.
birder
S2 licensed
Quote from Lible :It will not be just as the original database. It will be much better in every aspect.

To be fair i have said all along that we can have several places to download stuff, the best will come to the top and be used.

but face facts your domain goes nowhere and until it does there is only one choice.

Bose and Rocklan will need to get stuff on their site so it can be downloaded and make improvements that people ask for else it wont be used.

If they put in the effort then it will be the place to go to download stuff, if they dont then maybe when your domain goes somewhere we can compare

As it is at this moment there is only one lfsdatabase so this whole argument is rather stupid.

You are pushing the point "It will not be just as the original database. It will be much better in every aspect." and this seems to be an LFS thing, LFS will be better when S3 comes out but until it does we cant tell if it is.

A bit like your database, and just like LFS S3 i look forward to seeing it but i will not hold my breath waiting.
birder
S2 licensed
Quote from JO53PHS :For a start, the original address is http://www.lfs-database.com/, so get your facts right before you make a fool of yourself.

Secondly, this was the original LFS Database that had been running for many years. It was here long before yours, and Lible has every right to rebuild it and bring back this resource to the community.

He was probably planning to do this all along, but just because you managed to cobble something together faster than him doesn't mean he shouldn't continue with this project.

It's hardly 'low'

http://www.lfs-database.com/ does not resolve so at the time of posting its still dead.
birder
S2 licensed
This is typical of the LFS community. and it pisses me off,

Someone makes a database calling it LFSdatabase and its used by the community.

It was used but then they lets it die, so it closed down, and no longer worked.

Several people ask why but get no answer, so Rocklan and Bose do another for the community and i pay for the domain and the hosting.

I have nothing to do with it and have no idea who Rocklan or Bose are I simply wanted the database back

Now as soon as it goes live those involved with the old one take the hump and old one suddenly being re-written and the people who built the new one are flamed for doing it.

I have no problem with there being 10 databases but for pitys sake stop flaming people who do things for the community.

We have enough problems with the devs of LFS doing little for us without flaming those who do
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birder
S2 licensed
After spending hours and hours on LFS and years waiting for new content, LFS is not dead, its in hibernation, think of it as a dormant seed just waiting to burst into life again.

The Devs asked everyone who has been moaning about the wait, to use other games and thats what most have done.

Do i miss my pals and close racing on LFS - YES

Will I use it without any update - VERY LITTLE

Is it currently the best sim - NO

What will bring it back to life - REGULAR NEW CONTENT, BETTER SOUNDS, etc etc etc

Have i had value for money - Best £24 i ever spent on any game

Would i come back - HELL YES

Do i think this sort of post does anything to help - NOT A CHANCE

Face facts guys, to develop a game to a certain level must be great fun for the dev's, but to finish one must be a huge burden.

After a while it must get stale and to go to the next level must be hard, and that's the point the LFS dev's have reached.

You see it every day on the net, just look at the websites that have been made and are excellent but just not finished, their devs just stop short and leave all those "Under construction" pages about. They then dont update for years but the site still gets visitors.

After a few years there is normally a burst of energy and the site lives again or the site goes missing and thats where LFS is at the moment.
birder
S2 licensed
Come on guys stop all the crap, who cares. In my town we have 9 supermarkets and the customers choose which one they use.

Its the same in LFS for servers so why not for a LFSDatabase

If someone wants to do another, then so be it, the users will decide which is best and which they use.

Bose and Rocklan: imho i think charging anything will be an anti-use system as will advertising different levels but its up to you, its your site and just like the devs you do what you want

but please please stop the flame wars, it does no good.
birder
S2 licensed
Quote from rockclan :

This to give something back to Birder/Colin Casey.

Lets get this straight, in no way do i want any money from you or anyone else, I did supply this in support of the LFS community, that was not the point of my post.

My point was that there was nothing on the site to say my team, ConeDodgers [CD] had even helped you in any way.

and Bose you simply missed saying thanks on the site, nothing else

Regards
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birder
S2 licensed
Well done Guys

Does seem a bit strange that i supplied and paid for the domain and web hosting, Yet ConeDodgers, CD or myself dont even get a thank you, . pro membership, kiss your arse or anything.

Never mind, that's how the modern world is.

Now in my day...................................................

Best of luck
birder
S2 licensed
Quote from Mysho :My keyboard is under the wheel so if I need to type something I do it quickly with two hands whilst nothing is holding the wheel then. Or one hand holding wheel and another one typing, that takes me +/- twice bigger amount of time.

But as an alien you have 3 hands and 2 heads, well you did have when you were in the CD team



Hi Mysho, how you doing.....
birder
S2 licensed
Quote from Greboth :While I don’t disagree that the lack of updates is a shame, and I can agree with your point about the gtr interiors and rockingham (I must of missed the part where it was announced that rockingham is finished.) However, you moan about 3 more of your team leaving to go play iRacing which begs some questions for me. Firstly even if/when they do you could continue the team anyway and have it more as clan over multiple racing sims could you not? Even if they leave, are you saying that they will not return when the patch comes out? And finally, are you really saying that one new track and a few new interiors would convince those who are leaving to stay?

Our Team does race other sims, we have 2 servers on nKpro, others on GTR Evo, plus iRacing, what i was saying is that 3 members had held off paying for iRacing on the understanding that the LFS update was just around the corner but lets face facts its months away and if Scawen is only working on it when he feels like it its most likely years away.

And no, Rockingham and GTR Updates will not save LFS but at least it would get a bit of buzz back while the big one arrives. Over the last 14 weeks every Thursday we use different tracks and cars but we have run out unless we do AS1 in the BF1 and the like.

Last night it was KY2 with the MRT, great fun for an hour

The point is that some of us dont want to go at all and something new, "ANYTHING NEW" would help, but i get the feeling that the next thing we will get is a language pack for the planet Zarg or something else we dont use. (I dont speak zargian )

I am sorry to say that the devs have taken LFS from number 1 to an also ran and yes they will all come back when the update comes out, for about 2 months but i think they need to add something every 2 months to keep people happy
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birder
S2 licensed
I think Scawen's update tell it as it is, he is no longer giving LFS 100% as he did up to the BF1 and we will have to wait until he feels like it to do more.

What i cant understand is why Rockingham and the GTR dashes Etc cannot be put out now, we have used the current tyre physics for years and they are OK (Not perfect but we use them) and you are not telling me that the physics are holding up everything else.

I remember the pole which clearly showed that a GT Prototype was the one thing users wanted so another quick fix would be to release a FO8 based GT with a LMS body.

Just after Scawen's post 3 more of our team signed up to iRacing and its getting harder to find a reason to support LFS any more.
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