Quote from haelje :

that's the point i can not understand (as a programmer). the case that the rights should be fighted by law should normally not happen. so if i use a piece of code from the lfs-community which is under GPL, why should i have a problem with giving away the sources? this will prevent perhaps a lot of coders to reinvent the wheel. like your example with the "hello world"-app: of course if you wanna code some propritary app perhaps for money, then i know, that i can't use for example lfslib. i could write the comm via insim/outsim/outgage by myself, but the code will be perhaps 80% the same like lfslib. so if it would be such a special project then i have to do it by my own. OR i use lfslib under GPL giving out my source too and everybody can take a look, can do improvements and perhaps save a lot of time, because things are done and are reusable. and with the GPL my piece of code is always my piece of code, the copyright will stay by me, the only thing the licence handles is, what others have to do, if they wanna use my code.
that's my 2 cents to that

One thing that did not come out in my post was how greatful our community including myself are for all you guys do. We are forever in you dept. Its great work and i thank you all from the community for that. Having libraries available keep projects coming often and easier to complete.

I thank you and thank you again.

However i ask you, how many developers dont have a quick look at other peoples code to see how something was done, or use snippets from somewhere else! Why re-invent the wheel.

In my eyes there is nothing wrong with that if the source is freely available but the use of a one line snippet of code thats under a GNU at the start of a project which cannot be programmed in a better way does not give the right of the whole project source code away.

Eg. If i wrote "Hello World" under GNU how can that ever give me the rights to every piece of code that contains it.

If we all had to thank everyone who helped us complete a project the list of books, website, people, mum , and and everyone who knows me would but huge and pointless

However on the other hand if someone takes a piece of source and changes one line it does not become thiers

So my point is haelje, at what point does any project become your own as the way a GNU tries to work is to say if you even look at the code you must give out your source, which i find rather over the top. There must be a point at which something becomes you own. "Hi International pals" is clearly not "Hello World" yet in a GNU it is but then who fight for it when there is no gain.

Once again i thanks you all.

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Quote from the_angry_angel :

Replace all my bollocks with the following word: variable

Does it make sense now?

So at last we find out that you have variable bollocks (TMi)

Quote from the_angry_angel :

I totally believe that if you're putting the code on a public forum, then you're expecting the code to be used, but given the hoooah with LFSLapper, perhaps it's time to have a think-sie?

Being involved with the lapper incident, I 100% agree with you but licenses are only any good if they are worth enough to legally fight over.

In the lapper case, no one was at fault, it was just a mis-understanding but as it started to get rather serious i took top legal advice.

My expert made the point that if 500 developers using C# did an app to say "hello world", 90% would be the same, so who owns the code.

His answer in my case was to say that 99.99% of cases the license is worthless as the cost of fighting any action would be so high that it would be stupid to fight it. Now you may say that the person in the wrong may have to pay the others costs, however its more than likely that this would not be the case as courts these days hate people taking action where cost outweight the possible gain.

Even though the outcome could be anything, it is quite likely that should i lose such an action the other side could only claim compensation for their loss and as i do not charge for my servers and the software has been written for nothing, this could be tiny.

Another point my expert came up with is when 2 pieces of code are linked or merged together such as Lapper and my License / Skill League application and

one is Copyright to one developer
the other is under a GNU / GPL

I am told they do not both revert to a GNU and this is yet a whole new can of worms.

My expert also said that anyone who puts out software under a GNU is basically giving away their rights with no comeback whatsoever as if it had a real value is would stay secret.

So i pose the question, what use is a license anyway in such a small community when the loss to fight it can be huge and any gain tiny?

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Quote from Linsen :

Same with the FBM. But then again, you're not supposed to go on the grass anyway.

Found a cure, i got the wife to belt me in the crotch with some long grass from the garden at the same time, so now its mega realistic

Using the FOX on BL1, incar view, when you go over the new long rough grass it comes through the bottom of the car.

Its not much but rather disconcerting having Grass rattle your in the nuts at 120mph.

Certainly made me jump anyway

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I have just spoken to Gai-luron and he has given his approval for us to carry on developing LFSBuddy

He says he does not want us to stop developing. I very much thank him for that

He has also explained what he wants from me which i will do.

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Quote from EkinoxNH :

It is clearly a misunderstanding, and if it 's a problem for Gai-Luron I will stop the development of these apps to the detriment of the community ...

I do it as a service for ConeDodgers that's all!
EK

I have spoken to Gui-luron on MSN and i am sure once his and Monksters name is added to the list there will be no problem at all.

I have also told that if there is any fault whatsoever it is with me and not you.

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Quote from BIzO :

In configuration of lfs lapper search "Auto Action"
After the last line of "AutoAction," adds this:

!yourcommandhere|/rcm your text here:/rcm_all|

Good Game

I think this will not work

the pipe | must not be at the end of the last line

!yourcommand1here|/rcm your text here:/rcm_all|
!yourcommand2here|/rcm your text here:/rcm_all|
!yourcommand3here|/rcm your text here:/rcm_all|
!yourcommand4here|/rcm your text here:/rcm_all

CD1 is one of the most popular servers on LFS

"If it ain't broken, why mend it"

The other 5 servers are always changing and we are just a few days away from our new system being launched when.......

Watch this space

Quote from D34N0 :

It has been found if the PHP version on the web server is upgraded the setup station will not function properly. I have attached a patch for this. You will need to extract the file into the includes folder of the setup station on the web server.

The file has been added to the first post as well.

Thanks for that, all working for our team but no "Make me an Alien without trying" sets posted yet

Quote from jasonmatthews :

Sorry to ask again, but still having the same problem. I can only get !top to work for the default car. The command !top fzr will still show MRT in the example below. I have attached my cfg file, could someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong?

Try !top FZR as it is upper case

Quote from EkinoxNH :

the link to the app is now available!

Thanks for your feedback.
EK

I have downloaded and tested

Version 28 works very well, i like the progress window and that you can select a number of PB files before starting.

You are a life saver with your application saving me many hours of boring work to keep the busy conedodgers servers updated.

Thanks you so much for all your help and this useful application

Quote from EkinoxNH :

New Release!

10/11/2007 - 0.09.28:
- Fix a BIG bug introduced in release 26....that corrupt the PB.txt file

Enjoy!
EK

Is it me but i can no longer see the link to the file in the first post?

Quote from EkinoxNH :

humm...not at this time. but i can fix that, just ask!

EK
ps: thanks for the big PB files...

if you want to do it, i am asking

Regards

I have sent you a link to my PB files but just checked and they are over 70000 lines long.

Tested on a 3.4 P4 with 2g memory and v917 uses 60% of the processor when reading in the files, for about 60 seconds.

It uses 6% for 5 seconds to sync the 4 PB.txt files

MasterPB works great, does it add up the laps done?

Quote from Gai-Luron :

Hello



Gai-Luron

Could you please have a look at http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=33407

Quote from EkinoxNH :

Ok, I have added the !reloaddbs cmd to lfslapper and it works great but don't know if i can release it??????

perhaps it's better that i give the source code to Gai-Luron and he will make a new release?

any idea?

thx
EK

It has been a while since the last update of Lapper from Gai-Luron, there is also a License system we would like adding so maybe its would be bast to post it in the main lapper forum

I hope he updates it soon as the updates would be very useful