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birder
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FWD GTR League
birder
S2 licensed
The ConeDodgers FWD GTR League system is now running and this post explains the system and how it works

Name: CD FWD GTR League
Server: [CD] ConeDodgers 3
Tracks:

14/1/2007 AS1 Aston cadet: 7 lap races for 7 days
21/1/2007 BL1 Blackwood Grand Prix: 7 lap races for 7 days
28/1/2007 FE3 Fern bay Gold: 7 lap races for 7 days
04/2/2007 SO5 South City Town Course: 7 lap races for 7 days
11/2/2007 KY2 Kyoto National: 7 lap races for 7 days
18/2/2007 AS2 Aston Club: 7 lap races for 7 days
25/2/2007 SO6 South City Chicane: 7 lap races for 7 days
03/3/2007 FE2 Fern Bay Green: 7 lap races for 7 days

Cars: FWD GTR - UFR, XFR
Pit: Not Required
5 cars minimum on the grid to score

Timetable:

03.01 - 18:59 - Practice
19.00 - 23.59 League Races
00.00 - 03.00 League Races

How it works:
CD league’s use a simple arrive and drive system, you are not forced to register but you may find it an advantage to register on the www.conedodgers.com forum for discussion, details of events and other information.

You must beat the target time to get the license needed to join the League’s races. You can do this during the practice times.

Any breaking of server rules will give the person an instant 12 hour ban, effectively stopping them racing that day. Serious or constant rule braking will get a longer ban including lifetime bans. Each league has its own marshals to do admin functions but there will be times when they will not be on the server, so drive fair and clean.

The system can also give automatic penalties such as points reductions, drive through. 30 or 45 second penalties. These penalties can be given for a variaty of offences from swearing to not obeying the blue flag.

In each League race a racer takes part in can earn them Skill League points, but the amount of points you can earn is dependant on how many other cars you are racing against and what their drivers Skill Level is.

At the start of a League your Skill Level points start at 0 (Zero) in the lowest Division. At each races start we take your current skill level, at the end of the race if your average score is more points than your current skill level you go up one Skill level but should your average score be less than your current skill level you go down one level.

IMPORTANT: You cannot go up or down more than one level each race so even if you score 100 points in your first race you will only go to Skill Level 1. Scoring points in the early stages can be easy but it gets much harder the higher you get.

For each driver you race against, the system compares your skill level against their skill level and calculates the points as follows:

For each Driver beat that is 2 or more skill levels higher than you score: +5
For each Driver beat that is 1 skill level higher than you score: +4
For each Driver you beat that is the same skill levels as you score: +3
For each Driver you beat that is 1 skill level lower than you score: +2
For each Driver you beat that is 2 skill levels lower than you score: +1
For each Driver you beat that is 3 or more skill levels lower than you score: 0
For each Driver who beats you that is 3 or more skill levels higher than you score: 0
For each Driver who beats you that is 2 skill levels higher than you score: -1
For each Driver who beats you that is 1 skill level higher than you score: -2
For each Driver who beats you that is the same skill levels as you score: -3
For each Driver who beats you that is 1 skill level lower than you score: -4
For each Driver who beats you that is 2 or more skill levels lower than you score: -5

There is also extra points for the number of laps in each race, a difficulty rating for the track/car combo and league rating set by admin. ConeDodgers will not be disclosing how these items are used or discussing any driver’s points or penalties.

Every 3 skill levels there are a new division, once you rise up to a higher division you can no longer go down to a lower division by just racing, even if your points drop. However CD Race control can drop racers to a lower division as a penalty.

Using !lgtop in the game will give the current leaders
Using !nearlgtop will give you 7 up and 7 down from your position.
Using !divtop will give the top of your division
Using !lgstats [Username] will give you your stats
Using !lss gives you license system status
Using !sss gives you skill system status
Using !rs will give you the race status

So to make it clear if an Alien comes onto the server and races against 24 good drivers an wins he would score 24 x 5 points (120) but would only go up one skill level

And if a good driver races against 24 beginners, and came last he would still drop only one skill level.

At the end of the league the results will be announced on www.conedodgers.com

In the case of a tie as the system records the number of race starts, number of race finished, the total of race points earned along with the number of yellow flags caused for each racer these items will be used to decide the winner.

CD Admin will have the final say and as normal any arguing with CD Admin gets any driver an instant ban and removal from the league

Our normal rules apply but as there will be a number of races each day any complaint must have a replay and full time details to even be looked at.

Best of luck
MRT Skill League
birder
S2 licensed
The ConeDodgers MRT Skill League system is now running and this post explains the system and how it works

Name: CD MRT Skill League
Server: [CD] ConeDodgers 6
Tracks:

14/1/2007 AS1 Aston cadet: 7 lap races for 7 days
21/1/2007 BL1 Blackwood Grand Prix: 7 lap races for 7 days
28/1/2007 FE3 Fern bay Gold: 7 lap races for 7 days
04/2/2007 SO5 South City Town Course: 7 lap races for 7 days
11/2/2007 KY2 Kyoto National: 7 lap races for 7 days
18/2/2007 AS2 Aston Club: 7 lap races for 7 days
25/2/2007 SO6 South City Chicane: 7 lap races for 7 days
03/3/2007 FE2 Fern Bay Green: 7 lap races for 7 days

Cars: MRT
Pit: Not Required
5 cars minimum on the grid to score

Timetable:

03.01 - 18:59 - Practice
19.00 - 23.59 League Races
00.00 - 03.00 League Races

How it works:
CD league’s use a simple arrive and drive system, you are not forced to register but you may find it an advantage to register on the www.conedodgers.com forum for discussion, details of events and other information.

You must beat the target time to get the license needed to join the League’s races. You can do this during the practice times.

Any breaking of server rules will give the person an instant 12 hour ban, effectively stopping them racing that day. Serious or constant rule braking will get a longer ban including lifetime bans. Each league has its own marshals to do admin functions but there will be times when they will not be on the server, so drive fair and clean.

The system can also give automatic penalties such as points reductions, drive through. 30 or 45 second penalties. These penalties can be given for a variaty of offences from swearing to not obeying the blue flag.

In each League race a racer takes part in can earn them Skill League points, but the amount of points you can earn is dependant on how many other cars you are racing against and what their drivers Skill Level is.

At the start of a League your Skill Level points start at 0 (Zero) in the lowest Division. At each races start we take your current skill level, at the end of the race if your average score is more points than your current skill level you go up one Skill level but should your average score be less than your current skill level you go down one level.

IMPORTANT: You cannot go up or down more than one level each race so even if you score 100 points in your first race you will only go to Skill Level 1. Scoring points in the early stages can be easy but it gets much harder the higher you get.

For each driver you race against, the system compares your skill level against their skill level and calculates the points as follows:

For each Driver beat that is 2 or more skill levels higher than you score: +5
For each Driver beat that is 1 skill level higher than you score: +4
For each Driver you beat that is the same skill levels as you score: +3
For each Driver you beat that is 1 skill level lower than you score: +2
For each Driver you beat that is 2 skill levels lower than you score: +1
For each Driver you beat that is 3 or more skill levels lower than you score: 0
For each Driver who beats you that is 3 or more skill levels higher than you score: 0
For each Driver who beats you that is 2 skill levels higher than you score: -1
For each Driver who beats you that is 1 skill level higher than you score: -2
For each Driver who beats you that is the same skill levels as you score: -3
For each Driver who beats you that is 1 skill level lower than you score: -4
For each Driver who beats you that is 2 or more skill levels lower than you score: -5

There is also extra points for the number of laps in each race, a difficulty rating for the track/car combo and league rating set by admin. ConeDodgers will not be disclosing how these items are used or discussing any driver’s points or penalties.

Every 3 skill levels there are a new division, once you rise up to a higher division you can no longer go down to a lower division by just racing, even if your points drop. However CD Race control can drop racers to a lower division as a penalty.

Using !lgtop in the game will give the current leaders
Using !nearlgtop will give you 7 up and 7 down from your position.
Using !divtop will give the top of your division
Using !lgstats [Username] will give you your stats
Using !lss gives you license system status
Using !sss gives you skill system status
Using !rs will give you the race status

So to make it clear if an Alien comes onto the server and races against 24 good drivers an wins he would score 24 x 5 points (120) but would only go up one skill level

And if a good driver races against 24 beginners, and came last he would still drop only one skill level.

At the end of the league the results will be announced on www.conedodgers.com

In the case of a tie as the system records the number of race starts, number of race finished, the total of race points earned along with the number of yellow flags caused for each racer these items will be used to decide the winner.

CD Admin will have the final say and as normal any arguing with CD Admin gets any driver an instant ban and removal from the league

Our normal rules apply but as there will be a number of races each day any complaint must have a replay and full time details to even be looked at.

Best of luck
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birder
S2 licensed
Quote from Victor :

good luck

Hi Victor, Happy new year

4 Points

1) The Section called LFS: GTR League has recently been activated as live again but our new Skill League System allows us to run multiple leagues at one time

We have 3 running at the moment so the LFS GTR League title is no longer correct

Can you either change the title of the section to

ConeDodgers Leagues

So i can add all our leagues

or open a new league section for us and transfer the old posts into it

2) can you please change the website address from conedodgers.co.uk to conedodgers.com

3) I would like to add some banners to the top of the forum, what format, size and details do you need

4) Can we have more than one moderator in our section and in the LFSWorld Teams section

Many thanks
birder
S2 licensed
We have now made 3 new leagues using the Skill League System, i hope you will try them out

FWD GTR League details at http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=36463

MRT Skill League details at http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=36461

LFS: GTR League details at http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=36271

Or find more details on our website or in our forum

Happy new year to you all
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birder
S2 licensed
Quote from N I K I :I would like to see track change every week.

Races 15-20 minutes long with one pit stop.

GTR cars.

Combos:
AS grand prix - 7 laps
BL gp - 15 laps
S0 long - 11 laps
AS north - 9 laps
KY national - 11 laps
WE internatl - 11 laps
AS national - 10 laps
KY gp long - 8 laps

I hope you like the idea

Looks good to me but i think we could also add

FE4 Fern Bay Black 7 laps,

that way we visit every circuit over a 10 week period.

After 10 weeks we can start again or even change the tracks

"Thinks - AS3R, chicane becomes T1, 32 cars on lap 1, ...................Call the air ambalance"
birder
S2 licensed
I am not sure if i made myself clear but its can be any combo so what cars?
ConeDodgers Skill League System -NOW RUNNING
birder
S2 licensed
Hi

Over the last few months we have been working on a new license and Skill Based League System and at last we have it running.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=36271 gives you the basic details of the LFS GTR League (Season 3) and how the points system works.

Over the next few weeks we would like to setup a few more leagues using the system and would like your ideas.

The points system is not just the normal winner gets the most points downwards but it takes into consideration who you are racing against and their skill level.

The system will run a league setting the server to practise races where racers can earn their license and then League races for skill points when your must have your license.

These times or combos can be set how we want so we need you input for 4 32/47 servers

1) What combo's (These can be one a day, week, month)
2) What length race, pit yes or no Etc

The system also allows us to run team races, not CD againts cP etc but small 2, 3, or 4 car teams racing in the same race

[CD] ConeDodgers 2 is setup for the LFS GTR League with a license target time of 1.44.00

And for the hotlappers [CD] ConeDodgers 4 is setup with our hot lap challange where you beat the target time to score and then beat you own time to score again.

Type !help on any CD server for details

So come on folks give us the ideas of just what you want to race.
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LFS GTR League
birder
S2 licensed
LFS GTR Skill League

Starting today (November 1st 2008), Conedodgers invite all LFS S2 license holders to take part in the 3rd season of the LFS GTR Skill League

Server: [CD] Conedodgers 1 (CD1)
Track: AS3
Cars: GTR (FZR,XRR,FXR)
Laps: 6 Pit: Yes
League Active: 20:00pm to 23:00pm GMT each day

How it works:

Our skill league is a simple arrive and drive system, you are not forced to register but you may find it helpful to register on the www.conedodgers.com forum for discussion, details of events, rules and other information.
Each League will run for two months, then there will be a one month gap before the next league starts. After 12 months an overall champion will be announced.

Any driver breaking of server rules will earn an instant 12 hour ban, effectively stopping them racing that day. Serious or constant rule braking will get a longer ban including lifetime ban for wrecking. We have a number of race marshals that can use admin functions but there will be times when they will not be on the server, so drive fair and clean.

Racers can also vote to kick or ban in the normal manner however we make it clear to all that should we find someone voting for no reason, they will receive a more permanent ban. DO NOT VOTE if you are not sure why you are voting.

In each League a racer completes, they can earn Skill points, but the amount of points they earn is dependant on how many other cars they are racing against and the Skill Level those drivers.

The first race you take part in while the League is active will automatically enter you into the Skill League. Your Skill Level points will start at 0 (Zero) in the lowest division.

Once the race is finished we take your current skill level, and calculate the points you have scored. If your score is higher than your current skill level you go up one Skill level but if your current skill level you go down one level.

IMPORTANT: You cannot go up or down more than one level each race so even if you score 100 points in your first race you will only go up 1 Skill Level. Scoring points in the early stages is very easy but as in real racing it gets much harder the higher you get.

Skill Points:

To calculate the points you have scored at the end of the race the system compares your skill level against with the skill level of the other drivers in the race and calculates the points as follows:

For each Driver beat that is 2 or more skill levels higher than you score: +5
For each Driver beat that is 1 skill level higher than you score: +4
For each Driver you beat that is the same skill levels as you score: +3
For each Driver you beat that is 1 skill level lower than you score: +2
For each Driver you beat that is 2 skill levels lower than you score: +1
For each Driver you beat that is 3 or more skill levels lower than you score: 0
For each Driver who beats you that is 3 or more skill levels higher than you score: 0
For each Driver who beats you that is 2 skill levels higher than you score: -1
For each Driver who beats you that is 1 skill level higher than you score: -2
For each Driver who beats you that is the same skill levels as you score: -3
For each Driver who beats you that is 1 skill level lower than you score: -4
For each Driver who beats you that is 2 or more skill levels lower than you score: -5


Every 3 skill levels there is a new division, once you rise up to a higher division you can no longer go down to a lower division by just racing, even if your points drop. Once you move up to a higher division your points drop to zero so you have to fight your way up that division to go any higher. Only Race control can send a racer to a lower division as a penalty.

Commands:

Using !skltop in the game will give the current leaders
Using !nearskltop will give you 7 up and 7 down from your position.
Using !skldivtop will give the top of your division
Using !sklstats [Username] will give you your stats
Using !sss gives you skill system status
Using !rs will give you the race status


Eg, if an Alien driver comes onto the server and races against 24 other drivers and comes first he would score 24 x 5 points (120) but would only go up one skill level. His number of points would also be averaged using a secret formula.
And if a top driver races against 24 beginners, and came last he would still drop only one skill level, but his average points could go down.

Its important to be aware of the following 3 items:

1) You can only score points by starting the race on the grid
2) You score can only be calculated once the last driver finishes.
3) If you use Shift+P or S before the points are calculated you get a 4 point reduction as a penalty.


At the end of each day the league results will be displayed on www.conedogers.com.
Best of luck to you all
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birder
S2 licensed
There is always a reason and i am glad you are OK.

However a simple call to someone to say post on this forum that your internet is down and we would have all understood.

I have PMed you my phone number so if its happens again i will do it for you
birder
S2 licensed
Quote from mcgas001 :This thread has nothing to do with me but i know birder may be a bit annoyed but as you say its rare for franky to disappear so just be calm and wait. How do you know he didnt have a accident of some kind or something happend to his family? You dont. Please wait and give him half a chance to explain before flaming...

Its obvious that i hope nothing has happened to him or anyone in his family and i have not at all flamed him, If i do everyone will be well aware, I just said what has happened, in fact i have been quite the opposite, i have supported him through thick and thin, paid him a year up front and supported him on the forum, however it would still be nice to be aware if there is a problem, dont you think

As i said earlier, if customers are aware there is a problem, or someone is taking a break, everyone will forgive them, But if they are not what do you suggest we do

I have kept all my team, all the CD forum users informed about the problem and had no problems from them, and no questions as they are aware.

"Better to be for warned" and all that.

All i asked in my first post was does anyone have any idea where Franky500 is?

And that is still my question
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birder
S2 licensed
Quote from dadge :as part of frankys team (ATC) i have not heard from him all day yesterday. this usually means that he wants no distractions because he is working on servers (lfs). as soon as i get hold of him, i will point him in your direction m8.
maybe try restarting your server? i know franky has updated 150 servers since the release of the patch.

Thanks, but restarting does not help and i think the updates is not the reason he has vanished or that he is working on his servers, as if he was he would have answered me. Once the upgrades were added to the control panel update system, each client did his own as far as i am aware.

He must have gone away for a few days and has not arranged any backup support cover, to be fair he has done that serveral times in the last year but he had promised me before i paid him up front for my 6 servers for this year he would never do it again without keeping me informed.

Its always best in business to keep your customers informed as they will forgive you for almost anything, but keeping them in the dark or vanishing is just out of order and a bad practise as the customer will never forgive you for that.

So much for 500Servers promising to keep me informed, however i must say when he is about he is very helpful but when he does his vanishing act its a nightmare, maybe i should have known better in paying for all my servers up front but then i trusted what he said and trusted him not to let us down again.

Still maybe its how the world is these days in that you just cannot trust anyone.
birder
S2 licensed
This may seem a bit strange but has anyone have any idea what has happened to Franky500.

Since Patch Y came out we have been trying to fix a problem on my 6 servers (all from 500Servers).

At 1.27am 22/12/07 i had an email saying it was fixed but its still the same, in fact nothing has changed at all.

Normally 500Servers support is available but since that email 36 hours ago i have sent a number of email and support tickets and i am getting nothing back whatsoever.

If anyone has any ideas of what is happening or how i can contact them could they please PM me.
birder
S2 licensed
I am always amazed at the threads where demo users moan about what they get for free.

There is always more demo racers than S2 on the LFSWorld stats so its about time the Devs did some sort of time online limit or at least something to make the demo have a time limit.

I fully understand that some people cannot afford to buy the game but why should demo drivers have the same say as S2 drivers or even any say at all

Is it not time that this forum had a Demo section and all the other sections were locked so they cannot post.

The more things you get for buying S2 the more will buy it.
birder
S2 licensed
Quote from DeadWolfBones :Sure, Kenn.

Tentative schedule is like so:

·Round 1, 23rd February
·Round 2, 29th March
·Round 3, 26th April
·Round 4, 31st May
·Round 5, 28th June
·Round 6, 26th July
·Round 7, 30th August
·Round 8, 27th September

Tracks and conditions TBA.


With our new Skill League system going live in early 2008, if you can confirm these dates and the tracks as soon as possible i will make sure ConeDodgers runs a league on the same track in the 2 weeks running upto the IGTC. That way your drivers can prictice in our league even though ours will be a sprint race.

We could also do the same for the BOTT dates.

Unlike all the other Leagues ours is an "arrive and drive" system so will not impact anyones dates and times.
birder
S2 licensed
Not sure where to put this but x35 the new Digital speedo numbers and the kph/mph are fuzzy as if out of focus yet the gear indicator is perfect.

FZR/AS3 on Conedodgers 5 incar view
birder
S2 licensed
Quote from CrazyICE :why don't u use X31 instead of X30?

They tell me its the same
birder
S2 licensed
Quote from _rzal_mi_cie_ :In lastest patch (in X30 also) tires temperature is going up too fast, You should do something with it.

Sorry for my poor English

I agree, you can have red tyres at T1, thats just cant be right
birder
S2 licensed
After 12 months, 5 developers the conedodgers license and skill based league system is ready for its first real league test.

We have set this test at 16:00 to 20:00 GMT today on CD5 using Patch X30

I have tried Ladbrooks and my local betting office and they will not give odds on Patch Y coming out in the middle of my test

So any update between these times will be a disaster (hint hint)
birder
S2 licensed
Quote from Dygear :I use the MIT license because I want the LFSWorldSDK to be used by anyone, for anything as long as it helps make Live For Speed stronger then that's fine by me. That's the beauty of the license conditions. You don't even have to release your code if you use my code, making the best choice for website SDKs.

In this case you are doing exactly what will happen in a small community, and accepting it.

I read that as you saying "here is my code, i hope it helps the community, please use it anyway you want" ," if you want my help just ask"

No threats, no bad feelings, no upset developers, no one stopping development, no court cases

Plain and simple.

Thats the way i see all LFS libraries should be and well done to you for doing it that way after all you all do it for fun anyway

Hats off to you mate
birder
S2 licensed
Quote from haelje :that's the point i can not understand (as a programmer). the case that the rights should be fighted by law should normally not happen. so if i use a piece of code from the lfs-community which is under GPL, why should i have a problem with giving away the sources? this will prevent perhaps a lot of coders to reinvent the wheel. like your example with the "hello world"-app: of course if you wanna code some propritary app perhaps for money, then i know, that i can't use for example lfslib. i could write the comm via insim/outsim/outgage by myself, but the code will be perhaps 80% the same like lfslib. so if it would be such a special project then i have to do it by my own. OR i use lfslib under GPL giving out my source too and everybody can take a look, can do improvements and perhaps save a lot of time, because things are done and are reusable. and with the GPL my piece of code is always my piece of code, the copyright will stay by me, the only thing the licence handles is, what others have to do, if they wanna use my code.
that's my 2 cents to that

One thing that did not come out in my post was how greatful our community including myself are for all you guys do. We are forever in you dept. Its great work and i thank you all from the community for that. Having libraries available keep projects coming often and easier to complete.

I thank you and thank you again.

However i ask you, how many developers dont have a quick look at other peoples code to see how something was done, or use snippets from somewhere else! Why re-invent the wheel.

In my eyes there is nothing wrong with that if the source is freely available but the use of a one line snippet of code thats under a GNU at the start of a project which cannot be programmed in a better way does not give the right of the whole project source code away.

Eg. If i wrote "Hello World" under GNU how can that ever give me the rights to every piece of code that contains it.

If we all had to thank everyone who helped us complete a project the list of books, website, people, mum , and and everyone who knows me would but huge and pointless

However on the other hand if someone takes a piece of source and changes one line it does not become thiers

So my point is haelje, at what point does any project become your own as the way a GNU tries to work is to say if you even look at the code you must give out your source, which i find rather over the top. There must be a point at which something becomes you own. "Hi International pals" is clearly not "Hello World" yet in a GNU it is but then who fight for it when there is no gain.

Once again i thanks you all.
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birder
S2 licensed
Quote from the_angry_angel :Replace all my bollocks with the following word: variable

Does it make sense now?

So at last we find out that you have variable bollocks (TMi)
birder
S2 licensed
Quote from the_angry_angel :
I totally believe that if you're putting the code on a public forum, then you're expecting the code to be used, but given the hoooah with LFSLapper, perhaps it's time to have a think-sie?

Being involved with the lapper incident, I 100% agree with you but licenses are only any good if they are worth enough to legally fight over.

In the lapper case, no one was at fault, it was just a mis-understanding but as it started to get rather serious i took top legal advice.

My expert made the point that if 500 developers using C# did an app to say "hello world", 90% would be the same, so who owns the code.

His answer in my case was to say that 99.99% of cases the license is worthless as the cost of fighting any action would be so high that it would be stupid to fight it. Now you may say that the person in the wrong may have to pay the others costs, however its more than likely that this would not be the case as courts these days hate people taking action where cost outweight the possible gain.

Even though the outcome could be anything, it is quite likely that should i lose such an action the other side could only claim compensation for their loss and as i do not charge for my servers and the software has been written for nothing, this could be tiny.

Another point my expert came up with is when 2 pieces of code are linked or merged together such as Lapper and my License / Skill League application and

one is Copyright to one developer
the other is under a GNU / GPL

I am told they do not both revert to a GNU and this is yet a whole new can of worms.

My expert also said that anyone who puts out software under a GNU is basically giving away their rights with no comeback whatsoever as if it had a real value is would stay secret.

So i pose the question, what use is a license anyway in such a small community when the loss to fight it can be huge and any gain tiny?
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birder
S2 licensed
Quote from Linsen :Same with the FBM. But then again, you're not supposed to go on the grass anyway.

Found a cure, i got the wife to belt me in the crotch with some long grass from the garden at the same time, so now its mega realistic
birder
S2 licensed
Using the FOX on BL1, incar view, when you go over the new long rough grass it comes through the bottom of the car.

Its not much but rather disconcerting having Grass rattle your in the nuts at 120mph.

Certainly made me jump anyway
FGED GREDG RDFGDR GSFDG