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migf1
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In your second replay (...5.spr) you've damaged the suspension of the car in your outlap (you can see it by pressing F10). So, all the rest of the laps were done with a damaged suspension. You should have either restarted after you hit the wall or reset the car (put it in complete stop and press the space-bar... if it says "option is not available" or something like that, type: "/canreset yes" (no quotes)).
migf1
S2 licensed
Quote from RocksGt :You're missing one point
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LFS it's not all about HotLapping... some of us (in LFS-Spain community the vast majority of us) are focused in races (1 hour races).

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So I can understand the problem about HL with clutch button, but there's people out there using button clutch for other reasons than a pair of tenths on HL

That's a fair comment! Personally I don't consider normal BC unfair (since its an ingame option). But I do consider unfair the use of a macro (which is an external automation).

That being said (again and again ) there's nothing stopping anyone to use normal BC in races and AC in the hotlaps they upload to LFSW. They are two different worlds and it just happens that this ambiguity on LFSW of who's using the macro and who's not to give a bad name to those who don't use AC or CL.
migf1
S2 licensed
I agree! I have even suggested to add an option ingame for locking/hiding setup options, in the seek of a car behavior closer to what its characteristics suggest.
migf1
S2 licensed
For me, anything available in-game is neither cheat nor unfair.
migf1
S2 licensed
Quote from arco :
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Waiting for arrechee to beat it with 0.4s (using AC).... :eclipseeh
Lol!

Well, it happened... the other way around (an itching penis can yield to the job get done after all )
migf1
S2 licensed
Quote from Napalm Candy :Sorry but you don't know what are you saying. If you think that is easy to beat, beat it and arrechee will beat again with 0.4s less than you.
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Actually, Pallukka just did it a couple of hours ago
migf1
S2 licensed
Ray, that sounds quite a challenge (not for me of course). I'm eager to see arrachee (or anyone else) take it, so we can watch a marvellous WR dual at FBM@BL1 or FBM@SO4... it would also give you back lots of the motivation you lost when you got that job and car

migf1
S2 licensed
Quote from bunder9999 :
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edit: i didn't originally want to play with the brakes, removing the ability to lock up seems... artificial.

It's not artificial, it's a perfectly legit setup option and as most of them it depends on your very own driving style.
migf1
S2 licensed
Too bad you don't have force-feedback (you're running it via Wine?). It helps a lot in understanding and feeling the weight transfers of the cars, thus helping you (even warning you) in many cases.

Other than that, set your G25 rotation to 720 degrees both ingame and in the drivers and also set the Wheel Compensation to 1 ingame. This will make sure your wheel wont't turn more or less than the intended by the devs steering of each car.

Centering force might also killing you
migf1
S2 licensed
Don't give up, it will take some time but you'll get there. For a start, I think you need a good setup. This is Vincper's setup who used to have the world record a few days ago. It's not easy to drive it as is, so decrease the brake power about 20 clicks (this will help you NOT locking your wheels while braking) and increase the brake bias 3-4 clikcs (this will help you NOT loosing the rear while braking & turning).

If you keep loosing the rear while accelerating, increase 2 clicks the rear downforce.

All the above will be pointless if you don't correct your racing line. The best way to begin with is to download a replay (preferably Vincper's, since you aready have his setup) and press 4 while you are watching it. It will show a green line, representing the racing line. Study it all the way (especiall corners entry & exit)!

Good luck!

PS. What wheel are you using and how many degrees of steering?
migf1
S2 licensed
Quote from RocksGt :
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Anyway... he has proven not to use the macro (and not to need it), I only hope that people get sure of what they say before accusing anyone of cheating

I paid my respects to arrechee for his recent wr using AC, which were against two tough oponents: Bawbag & Rudy van Buren! In this weird macro situation (where it's not crystal clear who's using it an who's not) the only safe way to stay with a clean name is to drive either with AC or with CL.

If anyone will be accused of cheating or not is pretty much his responsibility, and as far as I am concerned, arrechee just did the right thing! He proved his case! I just hope he keeps using AC (or CL)
migf1
S2 licensed
me too, but i get
migf1
S2 licensed
Quote from fujiwara :well arrechee just gave 5 answers in lfsworld ...

Actually 4 (the FZR replay gives me an OSS error).
migf1
S2 licensed
Quote from Glenn67 : ok so programming your controller to make it easier to access and change settings in the F11 & F12 screens is a cheat? Or using logitec profiler to adjust the profile of your clutch axis is a cheat? Hmm what about using teamspeak to chat to team mates about race strategy, or using the analog gauges to give you a different view of your gauges to whats standard or modifying sound files to enable you to hear skid sounds more clearly or using logitec profiler to adjust deg of wheel rotation or using an insim app to be a pit spotter. I could go on.

No matter how long you can go on, the macro is an EXTERNAl AUTOMATION (more than one driving operations assigned to ONE button).
migf1
S2 licensed
Quote from diablo21 :AFAIK he has already beaten a few WR's with autoclutch

And I respect him for that! That's the way to go (off my black list)

@glenn: can't make it more clear to you, sinbad did too... the macro is an EXTERNAL AUTOMATION... that's the fundamental thing to call it a cheat. The others you keep referiring too are of secondary importance.
migf1
S2 licensed
Quote from Glenn67 :
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So why oh why are people still insisting on calling the button clutch or even macro shifting an exploit when it is clearly the autoclutch which is behaving incorrectly and that the button clutch is actually more realistic and correct? (oh I know it's because the majority are using autoclutch )

Quote :How anyone can call this a cheat or exploit is beyond me with the current facts at hand

Quote :So to go around branding button clutch and macro users as cheats and dishing out life time bans is something I would be very cautious of doing, and I say that as an autoclutch user.

The majority is not always correct, take off your blinkers guys...

Here we go again, tha macro is external to LFS!

Quote :I think all people that use the autoclutch are nubs and don't appreciate realism, much the same way that automatic uses are nubs

I think people that use the macro are cheaters
migf1
S2 licensed
The first thing you should fix is your racing line. As zeugnimod said above, you should use the whole width of the track, meaning to follow the track edge before every corner entry and after every corner exit (even if that occasionally means to use the kerbs).

Once you learn to do that you will find it easier to also increase your passing speed through the corners, since you'll have more working room on each one of them. During the learning period you could also increase the rear downforce a bit so you don't loose so easy the control of the car in the exit of the 1st chicane (the exit speed there is very important, due to the long straight that follows the chicane). Once you are comfortable with lines, braking and exiting throttle you shoule decrease the rear downforce back to its normal value and try again (low downforce = less grip + more maximum speed + more responsive cornering).

Good luck!
migf1
S2 licensed
English (all the software I'm using is switched to English)
migf1
S2 licensed
Here you can compare laptimes. You can even download replays (by clicking the laptime) so you can study them. Also, you can download setups from either team inferno or setupgrid.net.
migf1
S2 licensed
I like Spanish people and I loved your country when I visited a few years ago (Andalusia tour... just beautiful)! Personally, I don't generalize, since I've also spotted in the LFSW charts Brazilians, Germans, Australians and others using the macro (tbh most of the time I just check the CL and AC flags).
The main thing here is the ethical part, not the nationality
Btw, -M- can use just the button clutch without the macro if he seeks realism. He can also use Track IR
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migf1
S2 licensed
Quote from Franke :Unless my calculations are incorrect that is LESS than 2%

Diff / Targettime = Percent

That is:

(95-93.8) / 93.8 = 1.28%

Regards
Franke... Click

Ooops
migf1
S2 licensed
Quote from RocksGt :
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I can only tell that both of them (I suppose -M- it's not a problem for anyone because he's not beating WR's) are superb drivers that can beat WR's without using the script...

They may can, they may not, but even if they can I bet it will take them a lot more effort and time to do it. There's only one way to know, to re-upload their hotlaps either using AC or pedal CL

Quote : and I think that they use it because they don't know about this discussion and because no one has told them that their WR's are considered unfair

I would try to let them know anyway, I just don't give this so much importance as I'm not a Hotlapper nor I have the hands to beat a WR (include level 100 macros, no way I'd beat a WR :tilt, but I can understand your point

For me -M- is a problem too, what is unethical stays unethical regardless the outcome. I'm glad you are going to inform them what the LFS community thinks of them right now (even gereralizing for all Spanish LFS racers), although I'm pretty sure both Zanini and arrechee are well aware of this thread!
migf1
S2 licensed
Actrually GTR2 is a good sim, as long as you have a G25 and spend some time (a lot) to correctly set it up. When it comes to sims I don't like to zero things.

GTR/GTR2 are two of the most awarded sims in the sim community and press. GTR2 also happened to be the most complete in terms of features (day/night, dynamic weather, variable racing line, many racing modes, motec telemetry, etc, etc). The physics suffer compared to LFS, that's for sure but it makes up in other areas. His major prob (besides the tyre model) is the poor online experience.

So I would say, if you like racing offline GTR2 is a rather good sim, if you want online racing then go with LFS.
migf1
S2 licensed
In other words, dear RocksGT, what you say is that it's those guys' choise to be dishonored in the LFS community, by their own free will! They're already in my black list!
migf1
S2 licensed
Quote from HVS5b :
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I've found the difference a real good set up makes is 2-5%. Of course this figure will vary person to person.
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I think a good setup contributes a lot more than 2-5%. In patch Y my pb with XFG@BL1 was 1.33.800 while with the default race-s setup I could hardly drop below 1.35
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