Quote from Boris Lozac :

What the hell are you talking about? Some people are actually intrested in every new info that comes out, don't be jelaous if you broke your last piggy bank for an xbox

Yeah... So true... I'm broke anyways, even without an XBOX and its marvelous FM3, nor do I have a PS3. This is why LFS needs to come out with its new patch; to keep the poor me, entertained.

Just another excuse for me to bitch and complain so that I can get my hands on Scirocco

I dunno... Excessive static? Maybe putting your hand on your case to ground it... meh?

Yeah, I agree with Logitek. It sounds like a faulty connection. (Ofc, he is the Logitech expert xDDDD) Make sure all the connections (from your satellite speakers to your sub) are, well, snug. If worse comes to worst, maybe consult the instruction manual. It does come in handy, and contrary to belief, it is not useless.

Your other options would be to call Logitech and ask them about it, or RMA it? Does that work for speakers?

EDIT: Sorry, this is a stupid post... Headset, not speakers... LOL

Last edited by GenesisX, Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:12.

Quote from Nadeo4441 :

Were they even born when rockingham was announced?

Probably not Two words: NOT FAIR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ ... p;IsNodeId=1&name=AMD

Whole page of AMD CPUs, and it gives you Socket Type choices. I'd suggest as many cores as possible. Keeping it future proof. Why buy dual when you can buy quad for $20 more? Same, if not more cache. The only thing you get more of is... well... heat, and maybe less overclockability.

Yeah. You can probably find the motherboard model from typing in the model of your computer. If it is a on-shelf motherboard, you may be able to find a new BIOS that can accomodate the newer gen 775 CPUs, if it doesn't already (which I am thinking not).

This isn't from fact, but I'd presume that OEMs use their own set of motherboards for profitability sake, and they probably won't hand out BIOSes online; they don't expect, and don't want you to upgrade your CPU. They'd probably convince you into buying new computer altogether.

Heatsink-wise, if this was a heatsink from a stock Pentium 4, it should be big enough and good enough to run the more modern Core 2 Duos (which aren't really modern if you think about it). They do run a lot cooler than the ancient Netburst tech. So if it was indeed a heatsink that you would've found in those P4s in the day, it should run fine.

It isn't those tiny fans that you get from Penryns

EDIT: No luck... I've seen one or two hits from typing in "HP 09E8h" in google, but I can't get the specs. It is supposedly an OEM motherboard. But I'd say you'd get a lot more chance if you ran something like Everest, or CPUz to identify your motherboard, NB/SB for further identification. Maybe it has an on-shelf counterpart that share common parts. We may be able to find out what CPUs it can upgrade to. But things don't seem awfully optimistic at this point.

Cheers! xD

Last edited by GenesisX, Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:04.

@ Dadge I think I posted earlier than your edit. Mine was at 20:23, your edit was at 20:30.

Mwahahahahhahahha

Quote from dadge :

the only chips your board can support are socket AM2. this means that an AM2+ chip will not work. neither will an AM3 (AM3 chips are backwards compatible with socket AM2+ boards). the MK1 phenoms were AM2 iirc but they were power hogs.
EDIT: if i were you, i'd keep that $100 and save a bit longer. buy a socket AM2+ board (with a 780 chipset or better) and then buy a duel core socket AM3 phenom. this means you can still use your current parts and you will also have more upgrade options in the future.

I hope you are able to quote or give some proof about what you just said.

AM3 CPUs will run on AM2(+) boards given that you have the BIOS to recognize the CPU. As with OP, a CPU is available to make this happen.

The BIOS version you need to run AM3 CPUs are 5005, and the page of reference is found below:

http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-ASUS/M2NPV-VM.html

The CPU that I listed isn't on there. But you may always elect to choose any sub $100 CPU on there that is newer than the AM2's 65nm K8s. The lower end AM3s seem like a very good balance between the financial and recreation. The newer tech, more instructions per clock, relativelty clocked CPUs will destroy you typical X2 3800, X2 6000, CPUs from 5 years ago.

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

guys look at my writing!

Now that you talk about it, it is rather annoying

I agree. Defragmenting and download speed are two different things. I'm thinking of an analogy, but can't think of one. In fact, this is a case that I have never heard of before, because the amount of information that you are placing on the HD is so minimal compared to the stuff you are moving around the HD that it is comedical.

I do not think the amount of partitions you have makes such a difference. To me, I think it is where the information is found. If it is on the outside of the disk, it will be seeked faster. It is called short-stroking and many people use this technique to decrease seek-time. That's why I keep all my main OS files in C drive near the beginning of the disk in one partition. It keeps it from running out of the 20% margin, where short stroking is effective. I mean, if you have it inside, it can partially explain the performance drop. Maybe, you can get a 10/15K Raptor, or SSDs? Explains why we defragment too.

And I think that is the reason why having too much of your disk filled makes your computer slower. It is in far into the centre of the disk. It seems that having your HD filled gets mixed up frequently by having your "memory" filled up. And we all know that having your RAM filled up does make your PC slower. You end up using virtual RAM which is slower than conventional physical RAM.

Last edited by GenesisX, Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:55.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ ... aspx?Item=N82E16819103706

How about that? Quad core, and @ 45nm, you'll be running a lot cooler. The person in the comments said that cards above 5770 wouldn't bottleneck it. And from the older tech, it seems like it should do a better job. I'd say look for at least an Athlon II or such AM3 cards. You may not be able to use it to the fullest potential, but it enables chances like upgrading to an AM3 board, and increased performance resulting in better futureproofing.

Cheers!

Quote from bberger :

That card unfortunately doesn't support Eyefinity which means: HDMI + DP aren't usable at the same time..

5770s can indeed run Eyefinity and they are capable [power-wise] of doing so. And HDMI and DP can be run at the same time... Unless you are saying that only VGA(DVI) can be run with DP simutaneously which would be complete non sense. They both run the same signal (minus VGA which would be converted via RAMDAC). If not, how would DP run in the first place?

The problem with EF is that you need DP, and you'd need an adapter, or DP monitor to do so (unless you have it natively on your monitor, which I highly doubt).

Quote :

I doubt you'll ever get 70+ fps with a passive video card. But let us know if you do!

Sorry, I don't get what you mean by a passive card not getting over 70FPS. It isn't dependent on what cooler you have. If you have a good passive cooler on a (Accelero S2 + 8800GT (which was a typical setup), why not. Contrarily, you can put a FU(KING turbofan blowing a shitload of air onto a card like a Rage 128 , and you won't even be able to load that game that you are running 71 FPS on on the 8800GT. But ofc, it comes down to what game you are playing xD.

Passive, water cooling, or effective air cooling. Any of these would get you good results. Bigger the better. Fan size, heat pipes, the room between components, and the surface area that the air cooling shrouds have.

Acceleros are good passive coolers, and they probably cool better than the mini 5 cm fans that you have on the stock 8600GTs @ 100% at no sound at all.

Last edited by GenesisX, Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:19.

I heard from various people that running 16 bit on your side monitors will give you a good boost (depending on what the bottleneck is) [running SoftTH?]. I think any card that costs over $70 (given that you get a good one) will get the job done of 3x 1680 x 1050. I can get a 9800GT for $60 xD, and a GT220 for $40. And such cards should do that easily even a high detail.

I ran 2 monitors (but rendered three SOFTTH back before Z28) with a 7600GT [should run as fast on an 8600GT [b/c of DX8/9 of LFS] on 1280 x 1024 on high with AA/AF on with 72 FPS [maybe even VSync ON] with a way crappier CPU, quarter of the RAM you have.

Close the programs that you don't need, and if possible [get some better cooling] overclock the card, and you may be able to get by without buying a new card.

GT240, GTS250, GTX260 should be the range that I'd say you ought to look at. ATI cards are out of the question if you want to run with a single card with 3 monitors. Unless you have an extra PCIe slot.

Cards: 9600GT (maybe OC though), 8800GT (9800GT, GT240), 8800GTS 512 (9800GTX(+), GTS250), GTX260.

Anything else, unless you have the money, or plan for future proofing, is not necessary. I mean, go ahead for a GTX480 if you want... But can you buy me a better CPU while your at it.

Last edited by GenesisX, Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:04.

Quote :

something around the 256mb mark??

Many of them do. Most of the FX5200 PCIs that I see have 256 MBs of RAM on the chip, and some with 128. However, with the power of the core, you may end up not using a majority of it because the textures aren't rendered fast enough. If it did render that fast, I'd doubt with a mini-ATX (modern Atom class CPU) that was built 3 years ago would be able to hold up with it. And people say Atoms are bad, which I beg to differ in some cases.

Hopefully we are dealing with Conroe based Celerons which are fast little beasts even at low clock frequencies. And probably, cars in the higher range will be just fine with them.

Quote from danthebangerboy :

That is all it says, pci express, so it must therefore be a pci e 1x socket, just gotta find a decent 1x card now then lol

Not necessarily. The fact is, is that any PCIe component will work on any PCIe slot (Contrary to the belief that only lower PCIe spec'd components will work on lower spec'd slots or above [ie. 4x will run on 4x, or 8x, or 16x]. I'll show you an example of what you can do to run a full fledged 16x card (given that it fits) into your 1x slot [performance will suffer a lot, but you won't be stuck with crappy on-board]

PCIe Slot -> PCIe adapter -> PCIe Cable/

What ends up happening is that you want to cut the back end of the slot so you can fit the card into the slot. The only barrier is that piece of plastic that blocks the card from getting into the slot [size of the slot compared to the size of the connection on card]. The cutting can be made by using something like a dremel. By using a cable to extend it out of the original slot, you do not need to cut the back end out of the slot on the motherboard, but out of a $10 commodity that you bought off E-Bay.

With this, you will be able to run cheap cards that cost merely $50 (ie. 9600GSOs) that will run 10x better than a similarity priced PCI card (ie. FX5200, 6200LE), and shit-load better than the IGP even with the bandwidth bottleneck (250MBPS?). I'd look for a cheap low-profile card. You may not need as much as let's say a 9600GSO [GT220/8800gs] or similar spec'd, but maybe something like a 8400GS, GT210 that will not saturate the link to the NB, and will still allow minimal gaming for LFS, WoW at resonable detail and resolution, and HD content.

This will cost way less than a specially made 1x card which may go into the hundreds, giving no better performance improvements; money better spent on another rig, future overhauls, other accessories in the rigs, or even S3 xD>>>

I searched "PCIe 16x card in 1x slot". I am not able to find a page where they have actually performed the mod with pictures, but reference the page below to find out that it is possible, done. I am sorry that I couldn't find any links, but hopefully this will help you get some more graphic horse power into the versatile little machine of yours.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1238533

Cheers!

Last edited by GenesisX, Mon, 30 Aug 2010 04:35.

5.02 does work. It just makes your GT act as a Pro xD. But the performance is the same as it would be with the new driver. You just lose the horn button, the red turny knob thingy, and that +/- button thing. In fact, I played LFS for 4 months with my DFGT on 5.02 before finding the new drivers. You still have the Logitech Profiler (the program that gives options for Wheel Rotation, FFB Strengths, Centre Springs, the works.

If it is turning to quickly... yeah, set it too 720, and have it calibrated again to find the locks on the wheel. (This can be achieved through un/re plugging in the USB cable or by rebooting your computer). And make sure to have your in-game set to 720 degrees to ensure linearity.

Quote from Bmxtwins :

it took your money and didn't give you S2.

right....

Lol, that happens a lot to me, with the pop can machine. I just try punching the thing a few times. Try that. You never know about these magical beings. They may just spit that quarter back out, and give you S2.

But, don't come back to me saying "F*ck, I punched a hole through my monitor! Hey Genesis, buy me a new monitor". I warned you.

Quote from TehPaws3D :

That's true and i know.. Car makers sometimes suck when you ask them for a licensed model in the game, But look at some of the other models.. But whats wrong with doing like a GTA number on them, Model the cars, Almost exactly the same, Then have some weird mark on it (A sideskirt, For instance) And then add the name some random one (We have alot of random names in LFS already ) And then add the maker to be flagship motor company instead of ford motor company..

Or Does the above not work? I thought it has in the past but.. I could be wrong..

I think this is how many of the cars we have are, well, "made". Take the XRs for example. They ressemble the RX7 in so many ways don't they. I remember even reading about it somewhere that the in-game cars were supposed to ressemble a real car model but only with a fictional interior, and a name like XRG on it xD.

Though I think the idea of having users "make" models for cars, I think that would in-fact screw up the point of this game, LFS, that makes it so great and exciting even after so many years [or// it could be because I am just so poor that I can't afford any other game ] the fact that it is made by a set number of people who have made their 'ideals' if you may about how the game should be like.

There is a car in most categories of cars (4 wheel cars) in various configurations (FF, FR, MR?) with different power settings (low, medium, high? xD), different engine types [= different characteristics] (Inline, V, Flat). It is simple, fun, and has a high replayability rate for the price of $41.99. With the added bonus of better physics coming "Who knows when". I think this reason has made me a better "racer" if I am deemed as one, because I was forced to be driving either an XFG or XRG around BL for almost a year before I got S2. And even then, I still run the same tracks with the same cars. Not to mention that BL1 and XFG are still my favourite combo for LFS'ing.

Quote from Homeless_Drunk :

Had this system for a month or so...started out mediocre but now its a speed daemon

Started out with an Athlon II X4 620 but I wanted more, so I went and picked up a Phenom II 1055T X6. I had a GTX260 but again, wanted more so I picked up a GTX480. Pretty pleased with this little box...and I do mean little, got it all crammed into a MicroATX case.

Gigabyte MA785GM-US2H
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T @ 3.15GHz w/ Stock cooler
G.Skill 4GB DDR2 800
eVGA GTX480
WD Black Series 640GB
In Win Z589T.CQ350TBL MicroATX Case
Corsair HX 750w PSU
92mm Panflow Exhaust Fan

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1246414

That is interesting, fitting such a monster rig into such a fine little box. I guess it'll be a tremendous rig for LAN Parties

And yes, like above, please tell us how the hex is working out. I'm looking for a step up in the nearest future.

Thanks in advance

Unless I have some problems with recognition of numbers, I think the OP states 2 desktops or I'd assume Monitors, not 3.

And in the case of using SoftTH on a dual monitor setup, you are only seeing two monitors, but rendering as if there were three. I'm saying that you'd lose frames in the case that if you were only running two, why render three?

Quote :

This is wrong if you has Windows Vista or Windows 7, that doesn't allow you to use more than one monitor in full screen.

I think that it is not dependent on the OS, but the program that you are using to control display output. I'm not sure what you mean by monitors in full screen. Isn't it selecting resolution and pressing Shift+F4 thereafter? And if what I did was legit, I got my dual monitor setup working in Windows 7 too. The only reason why I went back to XP was because it was just more responsive.

IMO, you probably do not need SoftTH anymore. I think that with Z28, two monitors will work just fine as long as you have it setup correctly in the driver utility. If you span the second monitor horizontally, you should get one single resolution. With that, you go into LFS, and you set that specific resolution, and change the displays to
- 1 - 1 - 0 (if you have one left monitor, one main, and zero right)
- 0 - 1 - 1 (if you have one right monitor, one main, and zero left).

I used SoftTH back then, but unless you are running some older version of LFS for some odd reason (XRT =) cough), then it is unnecessary, as SoftTH would simulate a 3 monitor setup, and what that does would be to make you lose frames.

I'd agree. I also run an E2180. So? I get like 120 FPS @ 2560 x 1024 (and more if I was capped) with everything on high and all filters on with a crap load of services and stuff running in the background.

Make sure that you have all NEW drivers installed, and remove anything that might use up excessive CPU time. WMPlayer, Messenger, and flashy apps are good examples. Ex. My macros, keyboard profilers use up a good 40 mbs of ram (not sure how that would translate into CPU time, but...) exit them. And if possible, revert to Windows XP. Your gaming experience would so much higher, and the computer would be more responsive. The real reason why you would go the Vista/7 route is to enjoy the newer render path, DX10/11, of which you can't anyways with the IGP of yours. Even with my 5770, I forfeit the chance of some extra eye candy for the extra responsiveness and speed that I get with good old Windows XP. Proven from ground up since the beginning that it is a good OS that just works =).

Overclocking can also be your benefit. And turn off the filters (AA/AF), detail, and rendering distance to half. After that, lower the resolution until the game is playable that you game at, especially from the GPU bottleneck. Overclocking may help, but it is like putting an engine on your grandmothers bike. Overclocking the IGP may make it less lame, but it is still crappy. In the E2180s case, with a good NB, you should easily get 3 GHz sans upping the vCore too excessively (even on stock cooling). With that, you should yield 10 - 20% more frames, with the 50% increase in clock speed.

@ OP. There have been guides since the beginning of the world on how to setup profiler. Just make sure you don't look at the pictures and wish upon a star that suddenly the profile will suddenly set itself up. You need to read it. And TBH, it's really not that hard. If you download it, won't you still lose all the settings?

It will spawn simultaneously in your IMAGINATION... Wops, I mean the cardboard box

Lol, I just checked the GTPlanet website today.

Will LFS be able to release their physics update before Gran Turismo? A year after the beginning of this thread? I am curious to find out. Both games that have been praised for their accuracy to reality, both games a great fanbase, and both games have pushed their ETAs NUMEROUS Times.

I am buying a PS3 in the next week with my allowance (the money that bought me S2) in anticipation for GT5. I might even sell my DFGTfor a Porshe Wheel!

- Agreed... What's the point of drifting good in Kart Rider, or Mario Kart? It would actually be nice to be drifting as one would IRL. Plz!!! NEW PHYSICS!!!!!!