Quote from dadge :

but a duck can go the long distances required to survive

:iagree: I got the FFB settings bearable on rFactor, and TBH, it was enjoyable; it felt sweet and fresh at the least. Realistically, I won't play it for too long, but its diversity won't keep me bored, and I will always find something to do.

Quote from bunder9999 :

i wonder if front camber would help a little.



this is a whole debate within lfs itself. everyone says locked diff is supposed to be slower in theory, but in lfs it's unrealistically better.

I dunno as I haven't really driven the FXO much. How about trying some toe-out on the rear tyres?

Alright. Thanks for all your input. I'll keep the X1 advice in mind, and if needed, I'll hold this off until I can do a computer overhaul, and upgrade the motherboard to multi-X16 capable board.

Thank you!

My experience in AA servers was that I'd commonly like to start at the end of the grid because of that problem. Less with an XFG only race, but with XRGs in the grid, you have the random XRG crasher just because he can accelerate out of there faster. I don't consider myself a fast driver, but I usually end up at least third unless some faggot rams me from behind. The problems usually are caused in Lap 1, T1, chicane, and T2. Thereafter, it gets a bit better. But on the occasion, we do get very good drivers, and dogfighting with them is really fun. Just keep it calm, and make slowly squeeze the brakes. And if someone crashes you, quickly clear the track, and get back on track once everyone has passed. If anything, and you know the person who is crashing is a crasher, just say "[name]: Please don't crash" in a very calm way, and people should acknowledge that it isn't your problem.

EDIT: Usually, you can pass at least 3 or 4 people if it is a full grid, and you are at the back because they end up f*cking each other from behind xD.

Eyefinity is probably out of the questiion. My FFB Joystick (HShifter) is XP - only, and even if I change to 7/V, I still need to get a passive DVI/HDMI -> DP adapter, which will cost even more on top of that.

So, do I need a driver to drive the secondary video card (ie. from different vendor?).

What if they are the same, in my case, ATi?

I've done some research and I haven't gotten definite answers. Therefore I want to double check with you guys, as many of you run multi monitor systems.

Specs (current):

P5K-SE (1x PCIe 16x)
C2D E2180
HD5770 (gen. two: dual slot)

* looking at 8400 GS || 7600GT

If I was to run the secondary video card and this card was from a different vendor (nVidia), could I get away with running just the ATi drivers? The cheapest card (8400GS) was what I was aiming at.

However, if I was to in fact get my hands on an ATi card, is there any special thing that I should be aware of through software; would I need to install special software or/ drivers?

Monitor Setup:
1x LCD 24" (ASUS) to 5770 (HDMI native) @ 1080p
2x CRT 17" (Samsung) to 5770 (VGA -> DVI) @ 1280 x 1024

** looking at **
+1 x LCD 17" (generic brand) to {secondary video card} (VGA) @ 1280 x 1024

What I am doing right now is I race with the 2 CRTs in dual monitor mode, and I have the third one turned off. What I am looking at is buying a third monitor, preferably 17" LCD, connection through DVI or VGA. Because I run XP, and even if I was running V/7, I have no intention of tweaking with software to run Eyefinity. I need to run this on a secondary monitor.

Thanks in advance

Quote from Forbin :

It's okay to make fun of someone's English when they come from one of the following countries (in no particular order):

- United States
- Canada
- United Kingdom
- Ireland
- Australia

Others don't deserve it. Stop being a dick.

Quote from TehPaws3D :

I never abused his english, It's very good, I didn't say anything about his english?? I just wanted to know if he tested it and if so how did he test it, I've never made fun of anyone and don't plan to start now. If you're talking about the text I happened to highlight, I never ment it as "OLOLOLO LOOK AT THIS CHAPS ENGLISH LOL!" I'll un-highlight it then, As I ment no harm.

Since you are from the US, I think it is fair to say that you spelt "ment" wrong; it is spelt "meant". And at the same time, you have run-on sentences. Laugh out loud, I am joking. It is retarded to have perfect grammar on forums. I believe that understandable and legible language is sufficient.

Quote from Flame CZE :

The search links don't work, remember. Use this instead:

http://www.lfsforum.net/search.php?do=finduser&u=43

Sweet. Okay, good sirs, carry on and enjoy your day. I will spam F5 on this link while U transition to some other argument

I am not sure if DEMOs have this, but S2s do. Click on "Post Reply". To the right of the which is right of the A, and left of the left arrow, there should be a paperclip. Click on that, and browse for your pictures. I'd make sure that the size of the pictures not be too big. I believe you get 2 MiBs of pictures (format). The second option would be to upload them to a picture hosting site like http://imageshack.us/ and posting the links in your next reply.

BTW, refrain from double posting too much, unless you have necessary unique information. The EDIT button is a wonderful invention, and should be made to make minor changes to a post.

Cheers

Hahaha, the midway point. I like it. It is really rare that you'd use such slow RAM on such a good CPU. It probably won't cause a problem, but slow ram is probably bottlenecking the CPU because of lack of memory bandwidth.

The fact that you are using, from the sounds of it, generic - brand RAM doesn't seem like a good idea. I'd suppose that running at least name brand ie. Corsair Dominators, etc, would do you good. Because the RAM is slow enough, the least you can do is run dual channel. That would boost the bandwidth, and you should see a performance gain on top of the new CPU. Stability should also come your way.

I'd say that you should run off one DIMM for now, to see if it is actually the RAM's fault. Still exists, maybe they both are faulty, and maybe go and buy the cheapest name brand RAM there is to double - check. If running just one (either DIMM) isn't the problem, I'd run the better quality one, or if both are generic, the faster one, until you can gather enough money for a set of two DIMMS for dual channel, or an exact replicate of the DIMM you want to run in dual channel.

Hope this helps.

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wat

Hi. :iagree: but, it is still no way to welcome a fellow racer back to LFS

Welcome back, Alexander.

Nah...Too much work. I'd rather be able to click on a thread to find if new news has come out. It becomes evident if it has, instead of needing to search for it everytime. I'm not doing much to enforce that though.

Oh crap. Sorry, I was thinking G51. Woops. Scratch the whole subwoofer part of it. XD

My point? It was a question, and had nothing to do with anything. I mean, I wasn't going to say anything, but the motherboards that you posted were running DDR2 because of their AM2+ nature.

Sorry, my bad. I gave you the wrong link. I got it here. http://www.bdrmotorsports.com/index.php?topic=6859.0;wap2

It shows a link to a RED MOMO, but the link isn't working. The RED MOMO is a rare wheel. But possibly, there are some legacy racers here in the LFS Community who may be able to help you. Even if they haven't worked with the RED MOMO, there are some that have worked with various Logitech wheels (as you can see in this section). It might be different, but hopefully:

Maybe take a picture of how yours looks like, and maybe we can help you take it apart to further analyze the problem.

Sorry, it is my bad... apologies.

Sorry... Last ten pages. I'll go and re - edit that.

I think we deserve at least a thread. NO, A SECTION for spamming to reward us for our dedication to LFS while waiting for Scirocco and Rockingham. At least we'll keep our crap in one place, so people who actually are looking for what Scawen need to say, can find it in a jiffy, without needing to worry about font choices, or what we are eating for breakfast. Hey, it'll keep me entertained, and not looking for excuses to bitch about why a kid was able to play Rockingham, and I wasn't.

No... Let me rephrase; AM3s + AM3 boards CAN run DDR3...

Threw in "Taking apart Red Momo" in Google, and instantly came with results like:

http://web.axelero.hu/mozso/momo_e1.html

EDIT: Removed...

What exactly is the problem??

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Alright

He just wants "a pickup [in performance] for [his] computer". His board should last him if he does elect to. I think he'll go for an overhaul, and once that happens, he will go for some high quality board.

AM3s run DDR3, right?

Quote from dadge :

yeah, i talked about what chipset he would need i my 5th post in this thread. i also said that it would be better for him to save more money so he can bring his old board up-to-date.
at newegg? could you link me to them? all i saw (for under $100) was a triple core.
i'm not 100% sure i understand that part. are you saying that the working quads were sold as heigher quallity duels because they had no faulty cores?
because that's incorrect. the AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 Black Edition and the AMD Phenom II X2 Dual Core 555 3.20GHz Black Edition are the exact same chip. only the 555 has 2 cores disabled. yes there is a chance he might not get to fully unlock both cores. but there is a bigger chance he will be able to unlock them with no problems (on he gets a few $ more for a better board)
the reason AMD do this is because it's cheaper/easier to disable 2 (perfeclty fine) cores and sell the chip as a duel. rather than have to make a duel core from scratch. they only came about this idea because they had quite a lot of failed quad core chips. now they have to disable perfectly working cores to meet the demand for their very sucessful duel core phenom range.
so for me, i would buy the duel core, save the bit extra for a board that has a chipset better than the MA770 and then unlock the cores. the MA790 boards already have the unlocking support on their bios'.

EDIT: even if he bought the 555 and kept it as a duel core. it's a kick ass chip and will still blow his old one clean out of the water. and the bonus is, he can attempt to unlock later if he wanted to. and, the 555 is well within his budget of $100.

but i agree, it's only advice, whether he takes it or not, it's still just advice.

Agreed. Whether it is dual, tri, or quad, these new CPUs would still destroy his old X2 3800+, no doubts about that...

I am saying that the quads are higher quality chips because they had to pass tests to become the quads. The duals became duals not necessarily because they had faulty cores; they might have, but mostly because you would need extra V to push the extra cores. To keep the VCore in margin of .9V - 1.4V you need good quality chips. That is why the quad cores are, in theory, higher quality. Even in guides, the solution sometimes to non booting unlocked quads was to attempt bumping the vCore up a bit, because the chips aren't "certified" or "designed" to run at the stock voltage.

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yeah, i talked about what chipset he would need i my 5th post in this thread. i also said that it would be better for him to save more money so he can bring his old board up-to-date.

Oh, you didn't say anything about not being able to unlock because of the old chipset, but you said that AM2 boards weren't able to run AM2+ and AM3 chips, which is incorrect. Why save for a board later when you can get the performance now for such a low price? To be able to unlock? If he is going to get a CPU upgrade now, make it the best buck it can be because it doesn't seem like he will be upgrading soon.

Save the $20 for a chipset later? Is that going to make much of a difference? You want to keep it under a margin, but to be honest, I bet that that money will seep away somewhere. Unless you are going to put that $20 in a savings account, it's gone xD. And the $20 for a better chipset later won't make as much of a difference, where a quad core will. You don't have the equipment to make a quad core out of the dual core because of chipset, and we aren't even sure that it will unlock once you get the new chipset.

Hehehe, Dadge, we should keep score xD. This debate is becoming very interesting; in my perspective anyways.

Zipppy is probably like, okay, I'll get a Tri-Core. Just SHUT THE FU(K UP!!!

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Quote from MadCatX :

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I have MB with exactly this chipset and I'm quite sure that it won't take any Core2 CPU. Wiki seems to agree with me. Anyway, you can get Core2 compatible MB for less than €40, so if you have PCI-Express graphics and DDR2 RAM, you still should be able to upgrade for somewhat reasonable price.

I agree with MadCat. Here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/fo ... 9040-28-45nm-i915-chipset

They say that the chances of getting a BIOS update is slim with OEMs, because they lock it down; commercial reasons, to make you buy a new computer

If you were to actually get a Core 2 Duo system, it wouldn't be too expensive. If that's all you want to do, a new 775 board that gets that job done is as cheap as $30, 40 these days, and just throw in a cheap 45 nm Pentium Dual Core with 2MB L2, which is stock for a C2D in the early days, and you'll be set. Those things can clock up to 4 Ghz sometimes, on air, and you'll be running E84 like performance for merely $90 for mobo+cpu. (you may not get such high clocks on lower end chipsets, but raising the FSB is easy, and 3.4 is no problem, and would blow the Netburst based CPUs out of the park running, but still, NOT FAST ENOUGH =DDDD. or, you can get a higher end 775 CPU.

DDR2 Ram isn't all that expensive either. I'd say that a rebuild would be the realistic option to get more performance, and it doesn't have to be LGA775. AMD builds are also a great bang for the buck these days too!

Chances are always present. And in various cases, binned for a reason. You may be able to unlock them, but you may have instability come your way. Next thing you know, you get the next P5 Floating Integer problem xD. It comes down to the batch you have.

I've checked online, and though I am new to the whole unlocking business, I trouble finding your chipset which is an AM2 board in the first place, to do unlocking. The chipset is nForce 430. It can be that no one has attempted and posted of unlocking on such an old board. All I can find are new chipsets such as the 790GX.

I did do some research, and they say that you need a chipset with options like ACC, Core Unlocker, Turbo Unlocker, and NVCC (which is on the newer boards). Given that you have an ancient AM2 board, I'd doubt they'd have those functions. But again, I am not certain. However, I'd be lucky that the board will be able to run an AM3 CPU, which given it is.

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All quad cores are out of his budget range

No, the last time I checked, there were some cheap ones.

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AMD had to lock perfectly fine cores to meet the demand for their duelcore chips. so the chances of getting a faulty core is very low.

Ref? Okay... but I'd still think of it as they binned the lower quality ones to become dual and triple cores, and kept the higher ones that passed tests to run at
- higher speeds
- ran stable with lower voltages
- no faulty cores
- etc
to become quad cores.

So you'll end up with a higher quality CPU, which isn't expensive in the first place. I mean, if this was a $500 and $300 difference, sure, take the chance. Ti4200 : Ti 4600 difference was core clock speed. Overclock it, and you have saved maybe 70%. 6800 Ultra and 6800GT was unlocked cores and clock speed, but the price difference was immense. 8800GTX : 8800 Ultra? 10% increase for hundreds more? Core 2 Duo and their Extreme counterparts?

But the thing is, it is not the case here. Gallop the $30 difference of which you might have dropped on the gas price going back and forth to your favourite computer store to RMA the CPU and just get the higher priced quad. Saves you time, money, thought, and a peace of mind.

And apparently, you need CPUs from some dual core CPU from certain batches:
For :

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Athlon II (with a cacad stepping code)

Ref: Unlock Guide from Overclock.net

If you do in fact buy a dual core, and have the intentions of unlocking, make sure you have a BIOS and chipset capable of doing so. RESEARCH is key. But everything that I've said or anyone else has said is only 'advice'. They are there to guide you, and whatever you do, make sure you know why you did, and attempt at your own discretion.

Cheers!

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Sometimes they're faulty. And I guess if it isn't that much more, I'd just go and buy the full thing. The dual cores and triple cores are there for a reason, and in some cases, it is because they are binned for lower quality. Keep it simple for him, and just buy a quad core.

Annoying yes, but the last **ten pages of posts have really been getting off-topic. It is because of this that I actually missed the first post after months of silence that Scawen posted back in July.

Unless, ofc, that they start using Comic Sans in the menus in-game, or the smoke that come from the new tyres look like Comic Sans "O", there isn't much to complain about

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The game and the mod itself is of course nothing new. In fact, I played rFactor temporarily before dedicating to LFS exactly two years ago. However, I was playing it today, and I was trying to solve the reason why I abandonned rFactor (OBS). The FFB felt like crap. It was like playing Enthusia. The FFB felt like absolute crap.

People say that LFS' FFB isn't the best, compared to other sims like iR, but LFS' FFB felt natural the first time I played it. After so many years, I can't get the FFB settings right. I tried some plugin, but I reverted back to the FFB in-game.

What settings should I use for OBS, in rFactor, INIs? and plug-in settings, if I am using a DFGT?

Does anyone have any files that I can just throw into my folder? G25/G27/DFGT settings for OBS?