Quote from srdsprinter :

What motor you got in there(is it a 'true' R500)? And why does the picture look mirrored?

Edit -> and why do you have a monitor on top there?

The monitor is for the forced view, mate
That`s the whole point.


And yes - I reversed the car, to fit the screen
(The screens direction - The one sitting on the bonnet/hood)

There was a drawing, which showed us the custom views
It contained som big faults, but what if we took the FCV and made a picture of that

I did it, and now let me hear from the FCV fanboys, if there is any faults here

Now you can see my point of view

I have just updated my Rfactor, with Le Mans and Audi R8. I also got the new megane mod, and tried it out yesterday

I really don`t like the way cars "feel" in rfactor, and yes I have got the real feel patch. Every time i come back to Lfs, from Rfactor, it`s like comming home

Rfactor is working your eyes and Gfx, where Lfs is working your cpu and brains

The feeling in Lfs is just so much, much better

Call me, when you get nearer a starting date

I`m back

I tried this FCV, 30 minutes this evening (If you can`t beat them, join them) On As Club, i was only 2/10 of my hotlap PB in Xfg. Lx4 is still hopeless, but I beat my hotlap in Xrg, with 2/10.

Xrg is easier to drive FCV, I guess I certainly will test more, the coming days, in the other cars. But - I have no idea, what is happening around me

I now fully understand why so many hit me in open races - You can`t see a damned thing

Quote from Bob Smith :

I think the devs were question about the lack of new rally(cross) content in S2' and said rally content had been dropped from S2 to speed up the release, and it would be added afterwards. We just have to wait and see on the last bit.

I have read, somewhere, that the dev`s intention, is to simulate everything that can move on wheels

I think it was in an interview, given to either the danish, or norwegian community

That opens up, quite a lot of opportunities, as I see it

Well done Renku

Ehhhh !!!
I use custom FOV --> 90 degrees.

Quote from richo :

You still missed the point,
And your still behaving like a child , i dont like this so i,m taking my bat and ball and going home

Personally i cant see many servers closed to "your kind" some leagues maybe but i cant see many servers enforcing it.

****ing storm in a teacup...

/Subject no longer an option - Sorry !

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Which is an advantage - you can see more, you can see the front wheels and exactly where you're placing them. Don't you think that wheels view (and chase view) would be a way to cheat in the current autocross competition?

I can`t answer that. Subject is closed for me
Autocross I accept the forced view in

/OUT !

Quote from richo :

Jesus guys theres 300000000 threads crying for change and when some change comes we have 20000 crying like my 4yr old boy when i tell him its bed time.

How many servers do actually think will enforce it? Truly calm the hell down and put your panties back on..

This reminds me alot when bunnyhopping was nerfed in CS/TFC so many ppl cried that they would stop playing and it was all doom and gloom, now who cares?

Im 49, and certainly no kiddoe
I can`t remember the last time, i cried !? But you can ?

I bougth Lfs, because ONLINERACING was great, and physics blasted the other games away

Look at the poll - 68% is potentially forced view drivers
That gotta reduce my online experience, I think

I will still drive a lot, but I will start doing much more hotlaps, I think.
If I try to find an exciting server nowadays, I seldom find one which fullfill my needs. Now comes forced view, and that is doing no good, from MY point of view

More servers will be "closed", for me and my kind.

With this I leave this subject for good.

/Alland44, a noob, scumbag and with a "cheaters" raceview
Over and out !

EDIT :
And I beg you raceplanners. Please put the forced view thingie first, so we don`t have to read miles and miles of text, to find out, that the race is closed for us Please !

Last edited by alland44, Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:46.

Quote from Huru-aito :

I understand the people who have temporarily lost their custom views, it's hard to adapt if you need a special setting because of your different hardware or something. But, in general.. Well, i made a picture.

Maby it`s funny, but as a wheelsview driver, I can see you don`t have the sligthtest idea, of what you are expressing.

The view are "sitting", as in forced view - Just without the car body !

Could you make a nice picture of that ??

Quote from Boris Lozac :

Why? We don't need players that fly over cars, adopt the realistic option or leave. I haven't messed with view options, so i don't know can you make cockpit view only to see top of the dashboard, close to the windshield. If there isn't such an option Scawen should make it, so basicaly make Forced IN CAR view, if you wanna kiss the windshield, it's fine, be on the back seat, fine, but it's not fine to fly over the car or lay under the car. You have a HUGE advantage with outside view, it's redicolous, it's not even debatable.
IN CAR view should be forced, not an option, but the fully ajdustable in car view.

I don`t care, what people do, as long as I enjoy racing them

Keyborders aren`t much realistic and mousers too. Lets get rid of all that talk about realism, or shall we kick keyboarders and mousers !??

It`s about choice and enjoyment, which now is being limitated for 32 % of the customers

That`s my point.

Quote from ATHome :

Why don't all of the custom/wheel/chase view drivers don't understand that it's just an server side option, not likely to become a standard in lfs servers ?

Why can`t you understand, that this will limit my options, when choosing a server !?

Yesterday - Everything was available. That is not the case in the future
As simple as that

The poll says 32% is in the same situation. Yep ! Forced view is great

Quote from Avatar13 :

I'm surprised at the reactions to having an option for the game. I would think that those that don't like servers with the option enabled would just play on different servers. I guess I'm just too new at this to get it.

Catch this then.
What you see as an opportunity, I see as a limitation. I will have fewer servers to race on. Is that good for me, and 1/3 of the rest, you think ??



Edit :
It`s hard enough to find a descent server these days, as is.

Quote from ajp71 :

This new option has been very deliberately added by the devs, bringing LFS into line with other sims (which have had this as an option or in some cases no chase at all for years) and community requests.

Thankfully LFS's development is not a democracy and LFS is a racing simulator which any other side shows (like city driving/drifting) have to fit into of course some people will want to hinder the devs plans to remove the remaining arcadey elements of LFS but thankfully it seems Scawen sticks to his decisions, which so far have only been good for the serious racers which LFS is targeting.

It could be the costliest descision he had ever made

Quote from Doorman :

Despite the prophets of doom we spend a great evening of racing fcv. Attendances didn't fall off and no-one complained....I lie; one guy joined, said 'Forced cockpit?', '???', 'Goodbye then' and left. He came back 2 seconds later and said 'A thought, you should advertise it so as not to waste people's time' He'd gone by the time I typed 'It's in the server list marked F'

That was me.
I`m sorry that we`ll never meet again on the tracks

Quote from thisnameistaken :

It's not possible to regulate it, because you can't tell what view someone is using.

Imagine if you said "OK this competition you have to put 50kgs ballast in your car", but didn't actually check - do you think everybody would add all the ballast?

I would sure do it, and we had a series, before the weigth ballast was introduced. We regulated the gas percentage

I`m no cheater and I follow the rules present

Quote from deggis :

Now you got me interested

I know a guy, who drives with sparco gloves.

And I know that a couple of the Danes, drives in the nude - Fully covered with vaseline, in leather seats !

Now that`s kinky

I cant see what why we need it.

If an admin says - No racing here without inview, i would do so, or split
If that`s a rule, I will follow it - It`s as simple as that

I also drive my car, with 2 wheels on the curbes, and dont cross the white lines, in serious races Its a rule !

So.

If the rule of the cup is = Inside view, I would do it Or most likely, not participate

What`s the catch ?

Quote from bbman :

Erm... So how does this add up to this:



THERE is your advantage! When I race in Cockpit-View, I also don't know if I kissed the apex exactly, I can guess where I am through calculating the distances by noting various reference points, but I didn't see it, so I never know! You on the other hand, SEE exactly where your car is and if it loses traction by seeing the skidmarks... Now tell me that this is no advantage...

I have driven with wheelsview, and I don`t see the skidmarks, before i pass the same place again.
And I could hit apex in a bucket. Apex is easy, its the entry point and leaving point, which are really hard

I do not think it is an advantage to drive my way, because i tend to oversteer far to much.

And the fastest I know, all go inview What about that !

Quote from GianniC :

I'll be happy to race you too

And for the record, I use a wheel (just learning to race with it after some months of studying break from LFS), so I'm not "an arcade racer with kb" blablabla.

We can make WVC (Weird Views Club)
And ban all them inside viewers

Quote from keiran :

That is an unfair advantage over us who drive the car where your supposed to drive it from. What's the point in pushing the physics to the limit and drive it as if you were playing Grand Theft Auto?

A typical stiff upperlip !

Definately As Club

Quote from gwendoline :

I dont understand why so much people dont like this 'option' purposed to admins.
I think only some leagues hosts will using it. Maybe 20% max of purposed poen hosts.
Calm down this change and handicap thing is just an (very good) option its not dramatic if some of you prefer drive with an other view... join others hosts.
And to leagues manager this is a nice up to turn our leagues in "real life view".
Remember LFS is A simulator of drive this add take the right way to this.
Congrats again Scawen

Inside view is not simulation.
I get the best feeling, when I see the wheels. Some of the cars as Mrt, fox and so, it dosn`t matter.

You can smash the gear from 6 to second, without any damage - Is that simulation. I hope for REAL SIMULATION, because then my drivingstyle will pay off