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Quote from Gougoodthing :What's happening?

launch of the new website + presentation of the sign-up list for WEC and the Le Mans 24 hours
Ehh, why not LMP2 so they can also go to Le Mans with it?
Really? the Actual Le-mans 24 hr?

even the failed Aston AMR One will tear them to pieces!
Quote from PMD9409 :Ehh, why not LMP2 so they can also go to Le Mans with it?

You mean the Team Kolles Lotus LMP2?
With LMP2 not being really a success in the US and be a privateer class, I think Audi is more interested in DP as it can have nearly a factory team to do some nice marketing job for the US market.

Audi is probably not interested in the fact DP may be ok to drive in LM as they are keeping going in LMP1 despite Porsche arrival. On the other hand, LMP1 will no longer contest in the US so they can't advertise their product by saying we won Sebring (example). Advertising by saying we won Le Mans can be quite useless as I don't think there is a lot of american that can tell me where Le Mans is in France (probably lot of french can't as well ). Advertise like we won Daytona + Sebring is probably more efficient by far !
32 cars for WEC 2013

6 LMP1
12 LMP2
6 GTE Pro
8 GTE Am

Surprise - Two Toyota!


24 hours of Le Mans

8 LMP1
22 LMP2 (6 reserves)
11 GTE Pro (1 reserve)
14 GTE Am (3 reserves)
+ GreenGT

11 constructors
Quote from TFalke55 :32 cars for WEC 2013

6 LMP1
12 LMP2
6 GTE Pro
8 GTE Am

Surprise - Two Toyota!


24 hours of Le Mans

8 LMP1
22 LMP2 (6 reserves)
11 GTE Pro (1 reserve)
14 GTE Am (3 reserves)
+ GreenGT

11 constructors

Something like 5 reserves for LMP1 too
Quote from BlueFlame :Something like 5 reserves for LMP1 too

but none were shown on the stream and RLM also speaks of 6 Prototype reserves

here the complete WEC starting list.

LMP1
1 - Audi (Audi R18 e-tron quattro) - Andre Lotterer
2 - Audi (Audi R18 e-tron quattro) - Tom Kristensen
7 - Toyota (Toyota TS030 Hybrid) - Alexander Wurz
8 - Toyota (Toyota TS030 Hybrid) - Anthony Davidson
12 - Rebellion (Lola B12/60 Toyota) - Nicolas Prost
21 - Strakka (HPD ARX-03c) - Nick Leventis

LMP2
24 - Oak (Morgan-Nissan) - Jacques Nicolet
25 - Delta-ADR (Oreca-Nissan) - John Martin
26 - G-Drive (Oreca-Nissan) - Roman Rusinov
28 - Gulf Racing (Lola-Nissan) - Fabien Giroix
29 - Gulf Racing (Lola-Nissan) - Frederic Fatien
30 - HVM-Status (Lola-Judd) - Jonathan Kennard
31 - Lotus (Lotus T128) - Kevin Weeda
32 - Lotus (Lotus T128) - Thomas Holzer
35 - Oak (Morgan-Nissan) - Olivier Pla
41 - Greaves (Zytek-Nissan) - Christian Zugel
44 - Starworks (HPD ARX-03b) - Alex Popow
49 - Pecom (Oreca-Nissan) - Luis Perez Companc

GTE-Pro
51 - AF Corse (Ferrari F458 Italia) - Gianmaria Bruni
71 - AF Corse (Ferrari F458 Italia) - Olivier Beretta
91 - Porsche AG Team Manthey (Porsche 911 RSR) - Marc Lieb
92 - Porsche AG Team Manthey (Porsche 911 RSR) - Jörg Bergmeister
97 - Aston Martin Racing (Aston Martin Vantage) - Darren Turner
99 - Aston Martin Racing (Aston Martin Vantage) - Stefan Mücke

GTE-Am
50 - Larbre (Corvette C6.R) - Patrick Bornhauser
57 - Krohn (Ferrari F458 Italia) - Tracy Krohn
61 - AF Corse (Ferrari F458 Italia) - Jack Gerber
76 - IMSA (Porsche 911 GT3 RSR) - Raymond Narac
81 - 8Star (Ferrari F458 Italia) - Enzo Potolicchio
88 - Proton (Porsche 911 GT3 RSR) - Christian Reid
95 - Aston Martin Racing (Aston Martin Vantage) - Allan Simonsen
96 - Aston Martin Racing (Aston Martin Vantage) - Roald Goethe
Would Audi being in a DP attract those cars more toward Le Mans? If so Grand-Am should be creaming all over the place.
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Quote from PMD9409 :Would Audi being in a DP attract those cars more toward Le Mans? If so Grand-Am should be creaming all over the place.

I don't think so, it is more of a sign of isolation of Grand-Am in my eyes as Audi needs to run a special car to stay in the North American market.
Well I completely agree with that, but I'm more about the discussion of getting DP to Le Mans. I'm not really for it at all, but have a feeling that Audi could possibly attract more interest to the car.

I'm just trying to stir discussion, I don't really have an opinion on the matter.
The entry list for the 90th running of the Le Mans 24 Hours

LMP1:

1. Audi Sport Team Joest, Audi R18 e-tron quattro - Lotterer
2. Audi Sport Team Joest, Audi R18 e-tron quattro - Kristensen
3. Audi Sport Team Joest, Audi R18 e-tron quattro - Gene
7. Toyota Racing, Toyota TS030 hybrid - Wurz
8. Toyota Racing, Toyota TS030 hybrid - Davidson
12. Rebellion Racing, Lola B12/60-Toyota - Prost
13. Rebellion Racing, Lola B12/60-Toyota - Jani
21. Strakka Racing, HPD ARX-03c - Leventis

LMP2:

24 OAK Racing, Morgan-Nissan - Nicolet
25. Delta-ADR, Oreca 03-Nissan - Martin
26. G-Drive Racing, Oreca 03-Nissan - Rusinov
27. Sebastien Loeb Racing, Oreca 03-Nissan - Montagny
28. Gulf Racing Middle East, Lola B12/80 Coupe-Nissan - Giroix
29. Gulf Racing Middle East, Lola B12/80 Coupe-Nissan - Fatien
30. HVM Status GP, Lola B12/80 Coupe-Judd - Kennard
31. Lotus, Lotus T128 - Weeda
32. Lotus, Lotus T128 - Holzer
33. Level 5 Motorsports, HPD ARX-03b - Tucker
35. OAK Racing, Morgan-Nissan - Pla
36. Signatech, Oreca 03-Nissan - Maillieux
38. Jota Sport, Zytek-Nissan - Dolan
40. Boutsen Ginion Racing, Oreca 03-Nissan - Wauters
41. Greaves Motorsport, Zytek Nissan - Zugel
42. Greaves Motorsport, Zytek-Nissan - Kimber-Smith
44. Starworks Motorsport, HPD ARX-03b - Popow
45. OAK Racing, Morgan-Nissan - Heinemeier Hansson
46. Thiriet by TDS, Oreca 03-Nissan - Thiriet
47. KCMG, Morgan-Nissan - Imperatori
48. Murphy Prototypes, Oreca 03-Nissan - Hartley
49. Pecom Racing, Oreca 03-Nissan - Companc

GTE-Pro:

51. AF Corse, Ferrari 458 Italia - Bruni
66. JMW Motorsport, Ferrari 458 Italia - Sugden
71. AF Corse, Ferrari 458 Italia - Beretta
73. Corvette Racing, Corvette C6 ZR-1 - Garcia
74. Corvette Racing, Corvette C6 ZR-1 - Gavin
91. Porsche AG Team Manthey, Porsche 911 RSR - Lieb
92. Porsche AG Team Manthey, Porsche 911 RSR - Bergmeister
93. SRT Motorsports, Viper GTS-R - Goossens
94. SRT Motorsports, Viper GTS-R - Farnbacher
97. Aston Martin Racing, Aston Martin Vantage V8 - Turner
99. Aston Martin Racing, Aston Martin Vantage V8 - Mucke

GTE-AM:

50. Larbre Competition, Corvette C6 ZR-1 - Bornhauser
54. AF Corse, Ferrari 458 Italia - Mallegol
55. AF Corse, Ferrari 458 Italia - Perazzini
57. Krohn Racing, Ferrari 458 Italia - Krohn
61. AF Corse, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR - Gerber
67. IMSA Performance MATMUT, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR - Gibon
70. Larbre Competition, Corvette C6 ZR-1 - Lamy
76. IMSA Performance MATMUT, Porsche 911 - Narac
77. Dempsey Racing-Proton, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR - Dempsey
80. Extreme Speed, Ferrari 458 Italia - Sharp
81. 8 Star Motorsport, Ferrari 458 Italia - Pottolicchio
88. Proton Competition, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR - Ried
95. Aston Martin Racing, Aston Martin Vantage V8 - Simonsen
96. Aston Martin Racing, Aston Martin Vantage V8 - Goethe

Invitational:

56. GreenGT Technologies, GreenGT H2 - Pescatori

Reserves - GTE:

98. Aston Martin Racing, Aston Martin Vantage V8 GTE-Am - Hall
75. Prospeed Competition, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR GTE-Am - Al Faisal
52. RAM Racing, Ferrari 458 Italia GTE-Pro - Mowlem
90. TRG-AMR North America, Aston Martin Vantage V8 GTE-Am - Buckler

Reserves - LMP:

34. Race Performance, Oreca 03-Nissan LMP2 - Frey
43. Morand Racing, Morgan-Judd LMP2 - Gachnang
39. DKR Engineering, Lola B11/40-Judd LMP2 - Porta
37. Signatech, Oreca 03-Nissan LMP2 - Ragues
23. Delta ADR, Oreca 03-Nissan LMP2 - Nakano
20. HVM Status GP, B12/80-Judd LMP2 - Hughes
Quote from MoMo92i :On the other hand, LMP1 will no longer contest in the US so they can't advertise their product by saying we won Sebring (example).

COTA/Austin isn't Sebring, but it's still in the States.

Two Toyotas for WEC is actually a surprise because previously unofficially they said 1 car, so looks like the boardroom finally found money for the 2nd car.
No BMWs again in GT?

and the lack of AMR LMP cars nowadays makes me sad
sad to see no oddball cars in that grid (no GTE Lotus, no Aston LMP). And while its a pretty healthy LMP2 grid, its almost a complete grid of Nissan SUVs (V8s :shy
Is the new Mazda compound diesel not in this year, or is it just meant to race in ALMS?



btw, thats one happy piston:
Quote from (-Mark-) :No BMWs again in GT?

First year for the Z4 GTE in the ALMS this year, so they'll be concentrating on that. BMW shelved WEC/ILMC and Le Mans to go do DTM; there were rumours of Marc VDS doing something with WEC/Le Mans, we'll wait and see for next season.

I also found the tyre choices interesting, there's 3 Michelins and a load of undecideds in P2.
Quote from (-Mark-) :No BMWs again in GT?

and the lack of AMR LMP cars nowadays makes me sad

Their last LMP made me sad.
Quote :Rated at 170hp in the USF2000 car, the DeltaWing unit, which replaces the 1.6-liter RML-designed Nissan engine that propelled the car in 2012, is currently achieving 345hp on the dyno, with 350 lf-ft. of torque at 6500rpms. That's an increase of almost 50hp over the Nissan, further improving the car's power-to-weight ratio.

0.3 more displacement and one more turbo for an extra 50hp, guess they tuned it for torque

Quote :We liked what we saw with the bottom end of the one Mazda engine, and the top end of another Mazda engine, so we’re putting them together with the new billet block

didn't knew Mazda engines were like Lego (apart from the stack-able wankels :razz

but I like the new coupe form, this will greatly help the cars visibilty. The open top one is so low that was almost invisible when driving next to say a 911
Quote from (-Mark-) :
Atleast this one looks more like an LMP car than the deltawing did.

You mean ; At least it has 4 properly sized and placed wheels.
Quote from BlueFlame :You mean ; At least it has 4 properly sized and placed wheels.

Isnt that implied by me saying it looks more like an LMP? lol.

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