Couple of things.
Maybe the LFS Game Hosting page could be updated with the info on the temp hosting, and how to access the host panel, something like ...
https://www.lfs.net/attachment/240480
Secondly, for most of us, the only thing we know about computing networking, is that its a phrase that we've heard, but have absolutely no idea of how to do it.
My networking expertise lies in connecting a wireless usb dongle to my pc, and adding a user name and password to connect that to a router.
I've had LFS servers from 500Servers days, but they've always been rented from 3rd parties, who've set them up, along with access to lapper.
Maybe the LFS Game Hosting page could be updated with the info on the temp hosting, and how to access the host panel, something like ...
https://www.lfs.net/attachment/240480
Secondly, for most of us, the only thing we know about computing networking, is that its a phrase that we've heard, but have absolutely no idea of how to do it.
My networking expertise lies in connecting a wireless usb dongle to my pc, and adding a user name and password to connect that to a router.
I've had LFS servers from 500Servers days, but they've always been rented from 3rd parties, who've set them up, along with access to lapper.
Maybe this info should be the text when you want to query visibilty.
Followed your link.
Is an InSim (in my case, LFSLapper) an Admin app?
It says 'Admin apps are currently disabled for host version 0.6W and above.
Would it be that you need to rent a server from LFS before being able to access lapper, etc?
'Start New Host' question mark info wrong
When choosing 'Multiplayer' and 'Start new host', and getting to new hosts page, if you click on the ? for the 'Visibility' choices of visible or hidden, the old text of Local / Internet / Hidden is still there.
I do get the free server, but there's no ip/port details. And the old description of what is available is still showing when you hit the ? option, of which 2 options have now been removed.
My steps:
Multiplayer -> Start New Host -> Choose track -> Start New Host -> make choices (I chose: S3 / Europe / Visible)
Hit the GO button.
Connects.
Land on normal screen to choose car, etc, but with buttons on bottom left with "leave" and "end host".
Thanks for that.
Will come in very useful in future.
Would seem that my measurements were very accurate, as car shows 6.5 miles.
Thanks for the link to your distance tracker, but I couldn't get it to work due to "Insim: password does not match your multiplayer admin password".
As for the hosting bit, that's all beyond me, and I can't seem to get things to work. Think I'll raise that as a query elsewhere on the forum.
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EDIT:
Used D distance tool to get 10,445 meters / 6.49 miles.
As for the hosting bit, that's all beyond me, and I can't seem to get things to work. Think I'll raise that as a query elsewhere on the forum.
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EDIT:
Used D distance tool to get 10,445 meters / 6.49 miles.
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Would be nice to have an option for offline host to test InSim scripts, which is what I used to do via older version 'Local Host' option.
1950s Bus / White Panel Van
Saw this ...
and thought it could be modded by someone to this...
which is a 1950 UK Bedford bus.
Or maybe a White Panel Van of some type.
Both (sort of) 4 wheeled transport, but not sure about what engines could be fitted using the mod tools.
and thought it could be modded by someone to this...
which is a 1950 UK Bedford bus.
Or maybe a White Panel Van of some type.
Both (sort of) 4 wheeled transport, but not sure about what engines could be fitted using the mod tools.
LA2_Wendslydale Test Ground
So wanted to test some of the new car mods on the large Layout Squares, but on a track / circuit, and not just on a humongous open space.
Difficult to take screen shot of whole track in one, as it stretches over an area of approx 6 sq km.
Unfortunately, due to changes in hosting, can't use my LFSLapper to get overall length of track.
EDIT:
Taking approx 50 separate measurements using the D(instance) key in SHIFT U mode, I get track length to be approx 10,445 meters / 6.49 miles
Longest straight approx 1,044 meters, second longest at approx 980m and 3rd longest at 910 meters.
Even trying to take screen shot of start/finish and pit area was difficult.
Loaded video on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY0SLkz0s5M) of me driving round in a UZM412 Soviet Sedan mod (by OniWhite).
Video shows track as a work in progress. Video took over 12 hours to load onto Youtube, which was longer than it took me to complete the layout. Still processing HD as I write this.
Spelling of track name is so no one confuses it with the famous cheese! Just waiting on someone making a bike and sidecar mod to try on this layout though!!!
Difficult to take screen shot of whole track in one, as it stretches over an area of approx 6 sq km.
Unfortunately, due to changes in hosting, can't use my LFSLapper to get overall length of track.
EDIT:
Taking approx 50 separate measurements using the D(instance) key in SHIFT U mode, I get track length to be approx 10,445 meters / 6.49 miles
Longest straight approx 1,044 meters, second longest at approx 980m and 3rd longest at 910 meters.
Even trying to take screen shot of start/finish and pit area was difficult.
Loaded video on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY0SLkz0s5M) of me driving round in a UZM412 Soviet Sedan mod (by OniWhite).
Video shows track as a work in progress. Video took over 12 hours to load onto Youtube, which was longer than it took me to complete the layout. Still processing HD as I write this.
Spelling of track name is so no one confuses it with the famous cheese! Just waiting on someone making a bike and sidecar mod to try on this layout though!!!
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I raised something similar as a track bug ... https://www.lfs.net/forum/thre ... A1-%26-LA2-Layout-Squares
You can't place an item on the edge of the large blocks on either site of the small pavement sett stones, as the item disappears.
Partly because it would be much easier to manipulate, and move about in, but also because in track naming, xx1 (eg SO1, AS1, etc) usually signifies smaller layout, and if you saw layout LA1, then you would know it was the smaller layout and not one of the larger layouts.
Walls are useful because it can save on number of autocross objects you need to use.
You need about 60 x Armco5 barriers for a full 1km run. Or 62x16m + 1x8m walls.
I think that that the addition of a smaller 1km x 1km layout square might be good to have so that we can do something like this.
Maybe with just a road around the perimeter, and walled all round. The road is quite good to give you an idea of scale for getting a realistic track width.
This would still be far bigger than is available using AU1 and BL4 autocross areas.
Maybe this on a smaller layout square, although haven't really noticed difference in track characteristics when driving, but have when placing objects. But the fact that the Z height of track is above zero, is that you can place objects below ground level (great for making strips to stop drivers cutting corners too much), then raise them back to ground height to make objects level again.
Considering a lot of drivers think LFS tracks are too smooth, would think drivers happy of a few bumps here and there to make it more challenging.
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LA1 & LA2 Layout Squares
Trying to make a layout on the new Layout Square, but when I try place an item on the edge of the large blocks on either site of the small pavement sett stones, that the item disappears.
Red lines in image are where you can't place items, or move them to.
Tried placing item in one direction. Doesn't work. Turn item 90deg, and if the object edit point lands on the joint, then that won't work either.
Affects both LA1 and LA2, normal and X configurations.
Red lines in image are where you can't place items, or move them to.
Tried placing item in one direction. Doesn't work. Turn item 90deg, and if the object edit point lands on the joint, then that won't work either.
Affects both LA1 and LA2, normal and X configurations.
If you do CTRL-Shift when you can see driver names, then you'll get proper registered user name, and you could always try tell the server admin what happened.
No guarantee anything will be done though.
No guarantee anything will be done though.
Thanks for the set. Managed to shave off 3 seconds. Still woefully short of the original time I was chasing, never mind your time.
My FXR time is approx 8 seconds slower than the fastest.
With keys, this car has the worse understeer of all the cars, and I struggle to get round all the turns, even with full front wing, and no rear wing.
If anyone has a set that works well, and is willing to share, I'd be grateful
With keys, this car has the worse understeer of all the cars, and I struggle to get round all the turns, even with full front wing, and no rear wing.
If anyone has a set that works well, and is willing to share, I'd be grateful
AU1X Flatlands Layout
New layout I made few weeks ago, now on my (Sin'rs) server.
Just over 40 timed laps (half of them mine as I've done time for each of the 20 cars available).
All my times done with keyboard.
The drift scores are quite low so far - best approx 6,000. Normally, I would expect scores up to 6x that - eventually. But maybe it's extremely hard to drift on a slope?
Just over 40 timed laps (half of them mine as I've done time for each of the 20 cars available).
All my times done with keyboard.
The drift scores are quite low so far - best approx 6,000. Normally, I would expect scores up to 6x that - eventually. But maybe it's extremely hard to drift on a slope?
Apologies, but my 18 month broadband deal came to an end, and after 3 weeks of frustrating and farcical delays, I've now got broadband again (mostly anyway - it keeps cutting off for short periods).
I was sent an SMS within 2 days that my home phone was connected, but they send me an email 2 weeks after I set up email address with new provider with my specific username login instructions on how to connect with the new router they sent me. If I hadn't phoned to ask about progress, I'd still be waiting.
I was sent an SMS within 2 days that my home phone was connected, but they send me an email 2 weeks after I set up email address with new provider with my specific username login instructions on how to connect with the new router they sent me. If I hadn't phoned to ask about progress, I'd still be waiting.
I've been comparing Bass-Drivers script against mine, and the obvious thing that jumps out, is that for some reason, i've converted
to
Not sure why. Maybe to shorten description when I was trying to work things out. ?
This affects lines 36,51,79,99,100,101.
101 seems to be duplicate of 100. As does 95 seem duplicate of 94.
These value changes will effect the last sub for closing things as I've made changes under IF THEN, where the proper "Spec_DScore_DScore_" is used, but under ELSE "Spec_DScore_" is used.
Something I should have noticed years back.
I'll change the code i use back to original and if i'm online when someone else is, then I can try watch / record what happens.
My current layout has some turns where you are guaranteed to collect drift points, even though you're only going for a time.
<?php
$Var["value"],"Spec_DScore_DScore_"
?>
<?php
$Var["value"],"Spec_DScore_"
?>
This affects lines 36,51,79,99,100,101.
101 seems to be duplicate of 100. As does 95 seem duplicate of 94.
These value changes will effect the last sub for closing things as I've made changes under IF THEN, where the proper "Spec_DScore_DScore_" is used, but under ELSE "Spec_DScore_" is used.
Something I should have noticed years back.
I'll change the code i use back to original and if i'm online when someone else is, then I can try watch / record what happens.
My current layout has some turns where you are guaranteed to collect drift points, even though you're only going for a time.
Alright, found the culprit in my circular drift meter script.
Changed Tim's guiconfig script, but it should be noted that the database item is in a whole section that is commented out with /*
However, you can't use "./Databases/DriftPB" - it must be "Databases/DriftPB", which is same for storedvalue and GripPB entries, and which it already is in the unchanged lfslapper.lpr file.
Wouldn't have thought to look in my drift meter file if you hadn't found it in the guiconfig file.
If this database entry is already in the standard lfslapper.lpr file, I should probably just remove it from everywhere else. Only in my script because the $DriftDatabase = "./DriftPB"; database entry doesn't appear in V6 lfslapper.lpr file.
I'm likely the only person using a lapper directory that has both old V6 and new V7 stuff, so why I was probably only person to have problem.
Thanks for putting in the effort though.
Changed Tim's guiconfig script, but it should be noted that the database item is in a whole section that is commented out with /*
However, you can't use "./Databases/DriftPB" - it must be "Databases/DriftPB", which is same for storedvalue and GripPB entries, and which it already is in the unchanged lfslapper.lpr file.
Wouldn't have thought to look in my drift meter file if you hadn't found it in the guiconfig file.
If this database entry is already in the standard lfslapper.lpr file, I should probably just remove it from everywhere else. Only in my script because the $DriftDatabase = "./DriftPB"; database entry doesn't appear in V6 lfslapper.lpr file.
I'm likely the only person using a lapper directory that has both old V6 and new V7 stuff, so why I was probably only person to have problem.
Thanks for putting in the effort though.
Just searched the lfslapper.lpr file, which is unchanged from the V7.080 zip file I downloaded.
$DriftDatabase = "Databases/DriftPB"; # this is line 1348
$StoredValueDbs = "Databases/storedvalue"; # this is line 175
$GripDatabase = "Databases/GripPB"; # this is line 1392
I'm using the default, unchanged, file online too.
$DriftDatabase = "Databases/DriftPB"; # this is line 1348
$StoredValueDbs = "Databases/storedvalue"; # this is line 175
$GripDatabase = "Databases/GripPB"; # this is line 1392
I'm using the default, unchanged, file online too.
Doesn't work for me.
I made new directory and deleted all the database files, added the new exe, then did few runs.
https://www.lfs.net/attachment/235395
Just to make sure, I deleted this new directory, made a new one, deleted the exe (instead of copying over) and deleted database files, then put new exe in.
Same results.
As an aside, and nothing to do with this issue, but if the databases can be put in their own folder, can all the files relating to Discord be put neatly in their own folder?
No big deal but given the choice I'd rather not have over 30 files, over half of which I'll likely never use, cluttering up the /bin directory
I made new directory and deleted all the database files, added the new exe, then did few runs.
https://www.lfs.net/attachment/235395
Just to make sure, I deleted this new directory, made a new one, deleted the exe (instead of copying over) and deleted database files, then put new exe in.
Same results.
As an aside, and nothing to do with this issue, but if the databases can be put in their own folder, can all the files relating to Discord be put neatly in their own folder?
No big deal but given the choice I'd rather not have over 30 files, over half of which I'll likely never use, cluttering up the /bin directory
Alright, so I've been testing offline with blank new lapper directory, with no database files.
Only done few runs in 3 different cars, but I can see that;
DriftPB.dbs & DriftPB.elp are saved in the /default directory
GripPB.dbs, GripPB.elp and storedvalue.dbs are saved in the /default/Databases directory.
Likely, when I've downloaded all these files before from online, I've copy/pasted into each directory just in case, as I've seen files in each of these directories before. Or at least used to seeing them under /default directory in V6.
So from my very limited testing, it looks like lapper isn't writing the drift files into the database directory. But it knows where they are, as it reads them ok.
Only done few runs in 3 different cars, but I can see that;
DriftPB.dbs & DriftPB.elp are saved in the /default directory
GripPB.dbs, GripPB.elp and storedvalue.dbs are saved in the /default/Databases directory.
Likely, when I've downloaded all these files before from online, I've copy/pasted into each directory just in case, as I've seen files in each of these directories before. Or at least used to seeing them under /default directory in V6.
So from my very limited testing, it looks like lapper isn't writing the drift files into the database directory. But it knows where they are, as it reads them ok.
Forgive me for asking and maybe being a bit harsh, but what do you expect now?
I don't understand the code and was hoping someone else did
Someone gave you a script to help you, then you start changing it and made it worse, while also not making sure you kept a clean copy or at least track of what you did.
At one time, I had a 1Tb WD Passport drive that I had lots of things saved on. I especially bought it for keeping all my digital photos going back to the ones of my kids and family I took on my 1st every digital camera. A 3 megapixel Kodak in 2005. I also saved hundreds of family photos (going back to the 1940's) I digitised, and tried cleaning up, getting rid of spots, stains and creases. I also saved every backup of every lapper online server folder I used (different folder for different tracks and layouts) going way back to 500Servers.
One day I tried to do another backup, and all I got for my troubles was scrunch scrunch scrunch noises. Not everything lost, I thought, as I'd given my sister a 400GB IDE drive with some of my same stuff on it. When I fitted that, Windows couldn't do anything with it. Couldn't repair it. Neither could anything else I tried for fixing drives. Now, especially thanks to Google Photos, I've only backups for last 5 years of photos, along with couple of last layout servers I had. I can't afford to get multiple backup drives, nor paid online storage, although I do use Dropbox and Google free options.
Now you put it out here again with the mention of some things that are probably not working like they should but that's all the info you are giving and then expecting people to help you?
For quite a few years now, I've only done 1 lap hotlap racing on my servers, and its very rare for more than 1 person to be on the server at once. Especially when I'm also on the server. Most often, if I'm on server with someone else, they're asking for advice, sets, etc, which I provide. Usually little time for recording on screen stuff (which I've only recently thought to do).
What have you tried to solve the issues that are probably there?
Using my failing memory (and it is truly failing) to try remember what was happening. But mainly, I see some stuff working so I have left it to run as currently is. I mainly see issues when 2 other drivers on server at same time, but that was actually a rarity.
Are there errors to share?
None. I haven't had a server in over a year, haven't recorded anything when I did have one, and someone was on layout.
Have you done proper debugging on the script?
No. Most of my scripts are simple. Open a button (hopefully in the right place), then close button when not required.
...I also have the feeling that people have no idea how much time and effort it takes to come up with good scripts.
But I do.
I've spent lots of time making scripts and AutoX layouts. Majority of which I give away.
I recently spent over 20 hours updating a Touge layout I made few years back and had made available here on the forum. When I had finished the update, I uploaded the finished layout.
I've recently rented a server, but as I wasn't sure if it would come preloaded with the newest version (V7) of lapper, so I tried updating everything that worked in V6 but wouldn't work in V7. Mainly my Top and Drift tables, which worked exactly as they should have in V6. I spent full working days trying to get things to work, and when they wouldn't, I asked for help. But I did put in the effort, and showed some of the code I had tried.
So when someone does donate software I can use, or helps with issues I'm having, I am grateful. And I say so. And sometimes, in some of my posts, I acknowledge it - like your pitboard.
I realise I'm the cause of your recent rant, and I do apologise.
And I do understand.
No idea how many times I've thought 'what?' when people post things with a title like "Help me".
I've long thought about opening a post on the general part of the forum with just a question mark, and some text along the line of 'Curious to see if this is smallest question that can be used as post title', then seeing how many people read it.
Anyway, in reply to your post, and in my defense, I plead guilty.
I don't understand the code and was hoping someone else did
Someone gave you a script to help you, then you start changing it and made it worse, while also not making sure you kept a clean copy or at least track of what you did.
At one time, I had a 1Tb WD Passport drive that I had lots of things saved on. I especially bought it for keeping all my digital photos going back to the ones of my kids and family I took on my 1st every digital camera. A 3 megapixel Kodak in 2005. I also saved hundreds of family photos (going back to the 1940's) I digitised, and tried cleaning up, getting rid of spots, stains and creases. I also saved every backup of every lapper online server folder I used (different folder for different tracks and layouts) going way back to 500Servers.
One day I tried to do another backup, and all I got for my troubles was scrunch scrunch scrunch noises. Not everything lost, I thought, as I'd given my sister a 400GB IDE drive with some of my same stuff on it. When I fitted that, Windows couldn't do anything with it. Couldn't repair it. Neither could anything else I tried for fixing drives. Now, especially thanks to Google Photos, I've only backups for last 5 years of photos, along with couple of last layout servers I had. I can't afford to get multiple backup drives, nor paid online storage, although I do use Dropbox and Google free options.
Now you put it out here again with the mention of some things that are probably not working like they should but that's all the info you are giving and then expecting people to help you?
For quite a few years now, I've only done 1 lap hotlap racing on my servers, and its very rare for more than 1 person to be on the server at once. Especially when I'm also on the server. Most often, if I'm on server with someone else, they're asking for advice, sets, etc, which I provide. Usually little time for recording on screen stuff (which I've only recently thought to do).
What have you tried to solve the issues that are probably there?
Using my failing memory (and it is truly failing) to try remember what was happening. But mainly, I see some stuff working so I have left it to run as currently is. I mainly see issues when 2 other drivers on server at same time, but that was actually a rarity.
Are there errors to share?
None. I haven't had a server in over a year, haven't recorded anything when I did have one, and someone was on layout.
Have you done proper debugging on the script?
No. Most of my scripts are simple. Open a button (hopefully in the right place), then close button when not required.
...I also have the feeling that people have no idea how much time and effort it takes to come up with good scripts.
But I do.
I've spent lots of time making scripts and AutoX layouts. Majority of which I give away.
I recently spent over 20 hours updating a Touge layout I made few years back and had made available here on the forum. When I had finished the update, I uploaded the finished layout.
I've recently rented a server, but as I wasn't sure if it would come preloaded with the newest version (V7) of lapper, so I tried updating everything that worked in V6 but wouldn't work in V7. Mainly my Top and Drift tables, which worked exactly as they should have in V6. I spent full working days trying to get things to work, and when they wouldn't, I asked for help. But I did put in the effort, and showed some of the code I had tried.
So when someone does donate software I can use, or helps with issues I'm having, I am grateful. And I say so. And sometimes, in some of my posts, I acknowledge it - like your pitboard.
I realise I'm the cause of your recent rant, and I do apologise.
And I do understand.
No idea how many times I've thought 'what?' when people post things with a title like "Help me".
I've long thought about opening a post on the general part of the forum with just a question mark, and some text along the line of 'Curious to see if this is smallest question that can be used as post title', then seeing how many people read it.
Anyway, in reply to your post, and in my defense, I plead guilty.
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