Quote from BlueFlame :

Replace Vettel with ANY other driver and they would of been 20seconds off the pace with the damage plus a further 2laps from the shitty pitstops and pitcall.

Pointing out the lack of fairness of one extreme doesn't automatically make you part of the other extreme. But of anyone I certainly don't expect you to get that.

Quote from Mysho :

The biggest lucker in the entire world.

from f1technical forums :

So let me get this straight.

Vettel gets spun around, goes to back of field, has a badly damaged car, loses radio, has a incorrect strategy call, and a slow pitstop and makes his way through the field well to 6th and is lucky.

While Alonso leaves the track twice, inherits 4th through an incident between 2 cars clearly ahead of him, gets gifted 2nd from Massa and is unlucky???

24HRS of looking for a LMP in the mirrors ?

Quote from samjh :

He was actually referring to the 2010 race at Abu Dhabi.

So last year he had an amazing 1/8th of a car overlap going into T1 and what he's saying is that if same thing would've happened this year he wouldn't have backed-off ??

Amazing. No wonder he's always blamed.

F**king 10 laps in...Get a feel for your car. Work up the track.

Stupid wheel-to-wheel action that early in a race makes no sense

Fanboys should be proud of him after this race..I expected him to divebomb & crash into MS' sidepod after a handful of laps stuck behind. He kinda kept his cool...good job IMO. But then... maybe it's just that Michael was so good that he somehow always ended up on the inside whenever Lewis had a run.... Its hard to ram someone from the outside.

DRS screwed things up at Monza...DF and gearing compromises were all over the place. I'm surprised how the "optimum" solutions ended up being so far from each other.

Playing this only makes me pissed off about LFS not being "open" for at least tracks made by the community.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Seriously Juzaa, the incident is almost a carbon copy of Canada. Give it the **** up.

Seriously, don't post here in relation to ANYTHING Hamilton does, cos your bitterness shows through so blatently.

Are you for real ?? Seriously.

Cause if you are I'm ready to give some of my time to save you. We will do this by PM or MSN. I will show you step by step how they are so different and how Hamilton is at fault in both of them. We will use video evidence and quite simple logic. One step at a time, we can do this in less than half an hour. You could call it back-to-reality program. A fresh start for you. Let me know.

I was wondering why Newey looked so emotional post race...looks like ReBull is going out of the recommended camber limits set by Pirelli. They took a huge risk with the right front blistering and he was pretty stressed out about this. I guess he had some Senna memories in the back of his head during the first stints.

http://gpgvid.com/2011/08/28/n ... s-spa-tyre-blister-worry/

"After watching the replay, I realize it was my fault today 100%. I didn't give Kobayashi enough room though I thought in was past."

Phew. Thank you Lewis you just made this thread 6 pages shorter to read in the end.

I'm baffled by how the FIA can screw up that much the DRS zone length with all the data that must be available since Australia. It's quite simple math to figure out where to put the damn line IMO.

Quote from djfatrod :

It should be a fine really, same as they did to Ferrari.

Ferrari: "Alonzo is faster, do you understand?"

Red Bull: "Maintain the gap, maintain the gap"

Clearly Webber was having none of it though. Maybe he has actually spared them from get penalised by trying to pass anyway.

Quick update on the regs for you buddy : Team orders are allowed.

I have two S13s and I just love them. Great car. What's wrong with the S13s you have in Finland? 1.8L turbo?

Expect an imported car to have a few dings when it gets there. I'm not a big fan of importing just for the "uniqueness" if you have the same chassis available(10k !? damn. not worth it even if clean as hell). Just get a japanese engine in a clean 180SX it should cost less.

A Silvia is not a lot lighter than a GTS-T as far as I know. Maybe 100-150 lbs.

Following strategy madness from the grandstands could be a decent challenge. I vote for on-track action. In turn 1. No rain.

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having to pay for a passport, having your car torn apart at the border, and the fuel to drive to and from the states makes up for any possible price breaks you might get by buying stuff over there.

lol. that's exactly how you shouldn't see this. Tell me why there should even be such price breaks in the first place. It was normal when our dollar was 0,70 USD. Not anymore. Bigger market over there gives them an edge, less gvmt regulation & taxes also, but enough for 25%-30% price difference? Don't think so. Many many people go buy cars in the US and save A LOT of money.

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I believe it is all just tax now. Much like the UK. If you can buy stuff tax free it'll be unbelievably cheap, but we pay tax on other taxes.

Yah but the difference is not big enough to explain such huge gaps. A 10%-15% even 20% difference is fully explainable but it's not what we usually see. IIRC I read it was a 30% average on common goods.

Quote from P5YcHoM4N :

As it stands CAD is worth more than USD. So it should be cheaper in Canada than America.

10 years ago if you asked a dealer here why cars were so much cheaper in the states he'd look at you like you like you were some sort of retard and go : "duh it's the low canadian dollar value".

Now that USD=CAD nobody really saw the prices go any closer to what we see south of the border and that includes EVERYTHING not just cars.

At this point I gotta assume most canadians are either too dumb to realize they're getting screwed on a national level or they just like it.

Quote from Hyperactive :

When I first saw the maldonado-hamilton incident it looked like lewis was just trying to barge through but now after few youtubes I think it was just a racing incident. At least from the videos that I saw lewis looked like he had enough overlap.

Other angles are misleading. This is not sufficient overlap.

http://www.f1arab.com/2011/05/ ... handed-post-race-penalty/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0R4XqZEUrQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQiCe5qhpGE

From Hamilton's point of view this is a VERY similar pass vs the one on Maldonado. Maybe only a little more overlap but that's it. The difference between the two for him is only the reaction from the other.

In one case it's "brilliant" and then you get a penalty for the other one. That's mostly what he is pissed off about and he is right.

EDIT : meh. beaten by JPeace :P

He just needs to wake up and accept that it is how it works. The guy in front isn't OBLIGATED to move over. If he does, good for you, if he doesn't you're to blame. The "he turned in on me" routine doesn't cut it. Grow up and realize that the other dude has the right to turn in on you whenever he wants. Some will, some won't. Deal with it.

Quote from DevilDare :

So can anyone explain this?

So true...

I found myself thinking that watching a Senna tribute...they were all praising the wreckless and borderline stupid moves he could have done.

I'm too young...was it like that when he was alive ? Surely now that's he dead no one likes to be the one that says some of his moves were not so brilliant.

Quote from Intrepid :

The FIA did place a DRS zone before T1 so no one can complain when a system designed to PROVIDE OVERTAKING is actually used by a driver. Why put it there if you#re not supposed to attempt a move into T1?

Come on. That's even worse than what Lewis is saying. Whatever you will say, the normal overtaking rules still apply either in a post DRS zone or not.

"Oh I had my DRS on that means I have the right to get my nose in there and the other idiots should never shut the door cause they know about DRS." Non-sense.

"Then I went up the inside of Maldonado and you can see on the screen he turned in a good car-length too early to stop me from overtaking and just crashed into me … it's just ridiculous. These drivers are absolute fricking ridiculous, it's stupid."

LOL. Get real son.

Vettel is going to the end. If he's not he needs to pit NOW, get on the super softs and pass both ALonso and Button in the closing laps

Anyone got their small prizes?

I precisely followed their horrible prize winning confirmation procedure and still haven't seen any of the goods.

Most of the stupidity is not coming from HRT right now but from Whithing.

http://www.pitpass.com/43643-O ... to-protests-says-Whiiting

He basically opened the door wide open for this to happen.

Quote from TypeRacing :

Rules are rules. I support HRT and their views.

You're kidding right? "their views" ? That's funny.

Quote from GreyBull [CHA] :

Also don't forget that Webber made the interresting choice of taking hards on his first stint, and this is a big difference between him and the leading group. It payed off since he wasn't going to take any benefice out of softs in his first stint, being stuck in the traffic. This allowed him to have softs in his last stint and to catch up at an amazing pace on the leading group.

If Vettel knew that the McLaren were going to be up front by T1, taking hards might've been the best solution IMO, no matter with 2 or 3 stops. I mean, he lost a lot of time by staying behind the McLaren. Softs probably were the best choice if he was set to be up front at T1, as he probably would've had the pace to pull away if he was on his own. Anyway, should he had started on hards, he probably would've stayed within the chasing group in his first stints, not so far from the McLarens, and would've re-passed them in the last stints with softs.

I do believe we'll see more and more of that. Midfielders starting off on hards knowing they'll be horrible for 10-15 laps but still climbing their way back through the field on softs as soon as you are able to get the hards off the car. It wasn't possible to climb your way back on the track with overtakes before DRS.

LOL Webber did it without KERS...