Quote from PhilS13 :

You're fine...

I did low 47 after 3 laps on stock setup. I switched to max DF, low 45 instantly.

I'd say out of your missing 5 seconds 2.5/3 come from the setup, 1/1.5 come from 4 wheels off track and the rest is skill.

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@ phil

Appreciate it.. I can sleep now

God damn setups.. Wonder how the fckers fooled the RSR app though, cause it goes red when i get on the run-off areas with 4 wheels.

Maybe I should revise those numbers and put a bit more in the skill column after all...

I did 1.44.8 after 10 more laps on stock (low DF) setup. I only removed fuel. Pretty sure low 44s are possible. Maybe mid-high 43s. Certainly not from me but someone that has some WR speed.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

Here's the lap, there's a second maybe here.. feel free to humiliate me, with these settings and not using the run-off areas with 4 wheels.. wonder how really off the pace i am, cause on the other forum pretty decent simmers are struggling for 1:48, 1:47..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dgJPktBC7o

You're fine...

I did low 47 after 3 laps on stock setup. I switched to max DF, low 45 instantly.

I'd say out of your missing 5 seconds 2.5/3 come from the setup, 1/1.5 come from 4 wheels off track and the rest is skill.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

That 'arcadeines' on certain tracks is still bugging me :/ If anyone's willing to test the 2-11, maybe those who drove that combo on Silverstone, to try it on Mugello and Vallelunga, and telll me does it feel like you're driving the same game..

Feels the same here. Tracks have different friction levels and seems like they have different "groove buildup" characteristics but I'm not even sure that's implemented yet.

Have a look at the surface.cfg and groove.cfg in each track's data/ directory. The only thing that's consistent with how you separated these 3 tracks is how the groove.cfg is built. Silverstone is different from the other two.

Surface.cfg friction levels don't match what you are describing.
Friction levels seem to be
.91 at Vall
.99 at Mug
.98 .99 at Silverstone (two types of tarmac)

What you feel is it there more and more after you drive the track for a while? You may be onto something according to the groove.cfg files. But you may also just be crazy.

Quote from ACCAkut :

how can I change that setting in the catalyst suite bzw. how is it called there? Just want to try what difference it makes in numerous games.

ATI/AMD call it "flip queue size". Not sure if it's there in Catalyst. You might need AtiTrayTools or something like that

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Quote from Boris Lozac :

Not exactly wow, but it was very basic, don't know how to explain it..

Advanced settings, cmon need opinions, tested this a bit, still not sure but i think the best feeling is when everything is at zero except Gain of course, and Kerb.

I think the same. Not sure it's the absolute best but it feels allright.

In control panel G25 overall effects at 100% the rest at zero

In AC
gain 70%
filter 5%
kerb 40%
the rest at zero

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

F40 feels great IMO.

Definitely ain't catching any slides, though.

Everyone having trouble catching slides needs to read all of this and then start doing some testing

http://www.assettocorsa.net/fo ... s-and-perceived-lag.1481/

There is a known issue that creates a delay between what you see on the screen and the actual physics. There is no universal "fix". You just gotta find out in this thread what works for your machine.

Once you figure this out you'll have a new game...For real.

Quote from BlueFlame :

As we say in English - If it ain't broke. Don't fix it. - 911 is this philosophy in a physical form.

LOL.

Porsche has been fixing a broken layout since the beginning. They have done quite an amazing job at it but it's still broken.

Better start being an expert on the Cayman cause that's what is slowly showing every 911 blind fanboys how inferior the RR layout actually is.

Anyway what am I doing wasting my time...people here put BlueFlame's nose is his own poop twice a day and the dude keeps shitting everywhere.

Quote from PMD9409 :

Looks like the RSR LiveTiming App has now been updated.

http://radiators-champ.com/tes ... nk&track=3&car=18

If anyone can figure out how the heck to register and get this downloaded it would be lovely.

From the forum :

no registration is needed to download stuff. If you see a login screen there, it's because the file is not intended to be available for the public, for example the RSR live timing. Don't worry though. the RSR Live Timing will be available soon.

HAHAHAHAHA That is some epic BlueFlame material right here.

- EBD doesn't help low speed exit.
- Only engine dictates launch acceleration.
- EBD robs "energy" that could be used to accelerate. (this one is mindblowing).

Wow ! Keep it up man!

Quote from Chrisuu01 :

But wouldn't that give the wheel positive camber al the time?
Even under load?

No. Why would it? Only equal length, parallel wishbones will give zero camber change over all of the travel range. As soon as the wishbone are unequal and/or not parallel you can have the wheel do what you want.

Here : Negative camber under load in red. Positive camber unloaded in blue.



Don't get me wrong you will never see that awkward setup. I can't think of any reason why anyone would want a double wishbone to behave that badly but they certainly could if they wanted to.

Quote from Chrisuu01 :

This would indicate that they don't use double a wishbone suspension system.

This does not indicate that. You can pretty much have the travel/camber curve you want with a double wishbone setup. You just have to mess around with arm lengths and attachment point locations.

Quote from DevilDare :

So can we stop saying now that Mercedes tire test helped them solve their problems?

Don't worry they still have no clue. All teams have no clue.

"We just have to keep pushing forward and pray and hope that when they bring the new batch of tyres they work on our car." -LH

Pray and hope that when sunday comes the track temperature and the balance of the car are where they need to be. There's not much else they can do.

Anything not to talk about Mercedes back-to-normal shitty race pace.

Quote from PMD9409 :

I was just posting the link James, I don't really have an opinion on it.

Random observation: Noticeable difference between DIR's blowout in Spain compared to here, in which it completely disintegrated. In Spain it simply got 'cut' and didn't disintegrate hardly at all. Could be the speed at which it let go, or the part of the tire that actually let go (sidewall vs surface).

They are totally different failures. Previous ones it was only the rubber thread separating from the steel belt, they called it delaminating. This week end it was always the belt&thread separating from the sidewall except maybe the Gutierrez one which we didn't see.

Some delusional fanatism going on here? It's gonna be rough when the Mercs end up 5-6th as usual.

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Phil, I'm quite sure you misread 1st sentence. Re-read it again.

Yup. Badly misread that. Sorry.

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Quote from N I K I :

So yeah, Vettel/RedBull cries about Pirelli tire after what's about the most abrasive race of the year for tires only to pretty much lap majority of the grid now in Montreal with plenty of race still to go.

Thank God Pirelli is sticking with the tire that was introduced at the start of the year and that rules protect this from changing.

Silverstone is gonna be hell of a lot more interesting when Ferrari fights back.


P.S. This early braking by Merc might have been because of the tire saving after-all. Lift at 120, coast to 80 then brake instead of at 100. I heard Hamilton talking about that somewhere few days ago.

Montreal is one of the LEAST abrasive tracks !!! WTH are you talking about ??

The previous years everyone had trouble with the tires because of rear graining. This happens when you slide too much while being unable to build energy from the inner carcass of the tire. It happens mostly on cold and/or non-abrasive and/or slippery tarmac. The only reason the tires lasted that long this weekend is because they were able to avoid most of the graining. Maybe for the first GP of the year the tires were almost operated in their normal window at an ok pace.

Pat Fry : In fact, we had a few problems in getting the tyres up to temperature and on top of that the track surface here is less
abrasive and so it’s even harder to get the right feeling from the tyres.

Mike Coughlan : The track roughness is the lowest of the season and coupled with low tyre energy this can lead to a high tendency towards tyre graining.

Pirelli : Canada is one of the most challenging circuits for the rear tyres due to high traction demands– particularly after it has rained previously in the weekend, because the moisture has the effect of washing away all the rubber that has been laid down before, which decreases grip levels further. Despite that, wear and degradation was under control for all the frontrunners and there was little of the graining that is a common feature of this race as well.

Early braking is the most effective way to save tires. Everyone is braking relatively early, not just Mercedes.

I don't think the 2011, 2012 Pirellis were as horrible as this year so I'll compare 2012 and 2013

2013 : Alonso
Race winner Q time : 1.21.218
Fastest lap : 1.26.217 (+5.0)
Race winner fastest lap : 1.26.681 (+5.4)

2012 : Maldonado
Race winner Q time : 1.22.285
Fastest lap : 1.26.250 (+4.0)
Race winner fastest lap : 1.27.9 (+5.7)

Gary is comparing the 5.4 vs 5.7 and saying they are quite close but something is missing...

Maldonado did his fastest lap on LAP 26. Fernando did his at a normal time which is a couple laps after his last stop. (lap 53). 30 laps worth of fuel is missing in Gary's comparison. If Maldonado had 4 stopped and made his fastest lap around lap 53 it would have been close to 1.26.4. Now it would be +5.4 vs +4.2. More than one second of raw race pace gone in one year.

Just to be clear...I don't think it means a lot. Average race pace excluding the pitstop would tell a lot more. I just wanted to point out that Gary messed up, at least on the fastest lap part. It makes it hard to take his word on average laptime offset comparison if he ****ed up that bad on the fastest laptime interpretation.

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Onboards can be misleading. Laptimes don't lie. Not bothering defending your position says a lot. I'm not saying the drivers are not using any of their skill at the moment. Thay are just using a specific set that I think should stay only a little part of what makes a racing car/driver a great one. Tire preservation is a skill to have but it should stay only one in all the arsenal that a racing driver should have. Not the only one. That's an opinion...nobody has to agree on that.

The timing of the whining...well...it is what it is...it kinda sparks the debate when Hemberey himself says ok we got it wrong we will change them. Personally I've been saying the tires are shit for a while. I initially thought the tires were great, then that they were not so great but it'd be ok. I thought for a while the teams would eventually figure out a way to give themselves the oppurtunity to stay in the operating window while running the car at the limit if they wanted to. Turns out the window is just too thin. There is nothing you can do other than running slow.

I remember in the early Pirelli days I thought the drivers that were not so great at tire preservation still had a decent shot. All they had to do was save brand new sets for the race and after each pitstop they could fly for 2 laps on the demolding agent then run them a tiny bit harder than scrubbed ones. It was working for a bunch of races...until more data came in. The teams figured out that the only good option to have a shot was to run slow. The number of stops don't matter. How hard you can push between them matters. To me.

Quote from N I K I :

ah shit, Ferrari on a plus stop... It's gonna be interesting I'd say.

P.S. 4 stopper winning comfortably. If my memory serves me right, it's the first time in history and I guess Pirelli has just hit the limit. I don't mind a 4 stopper race, the whole race is very interesting so far. Just don't push it any further Pirelli.

At last a brave and smart strategy at the same time for Ferrari. I'm loving this.

That was during the race. And btw you're the fanboy spotter here. Funny. You gotta be naive if you think Ferrari would issue the same "clear opinion of the situation" if they were half a second off in race trim...

Most of the people here are against a mid-season change. Saying the tires are shit doesn't mean we want them changed now. Regardless of the RBR whining and the politics and who gains and who loses, you were admitting that 4 stops is borderline. Why is it boderline to you?

Here's a secret...the number of stops doesn't really matter. Pushing hard means higher degradation... That's perfect. That means 4 stops? It's allright...doesn't matter. Who cares? The problem is, right now, there is ZERO opportunity to push hard. NONE.

I don't get why you refuse to accept that for some people, F1 should NOT be 20 cars cruising on a track. Lotus is easy on tires? Cool. Lotus gets the most of "the package" in a race ? Cool. The fact is : Lotus are still cruising. Driving your car at 80% is how you get the most of the package in a race. That is wrong.

In any racing series, a driver should have the opportunity to take the risk of pushing himself and his machine to each their limits if he feels like it. They won't do it all the time. Some will do it better & more often than others, some will break their car, some will crash. That's racing.

You have enough knowledge to appreciate the amount of work and the compromises required to make any package work at its best and it's fine. Most fans don't even get close of seeing that. But all this work and all this balance act is still present and you can still admire it on decent tires. If you have a deeper level of understanding of the sport you should know that. The FIA doesn't need to the get racing fundamentals wrong in order to improve the show. There are solutions out there other than what we have.

I'm watching every race admiring the effort that is put out there and I'm every weekend enjoying every bit I can. But when I hear a driver say "I can't go any slower" and I see so many undisputed overtakes and I see the best drivers in the world being told "this pace is fine" when it is in fact 2 seconds off what the car is capable of. I know that under all of this something is off.

Sometimes complaining comes with the fact that people put you in the same basket as the ones that are always complaining and not appreciating the positive bits. You should know that the most of the LFS crowd has more perspective than the semi-interested fans complaining just because their team hasn't figured out the proper balance.

Quote from N I K I :

Mustafur will understand everything I told him one day.

You might wanna enligthen JB with your great understanding cause it seems he doesn't get it either

"A lot of people watching will think there’s a lot of overtaking, it’s great, isn’t it? But I see a car behind and I let it past. If I block I might destroy my tyres. When we're going round doing laps three seconds slower than a GP2 car did in qualifying, and only six seconds quicker than a GP3 car did in the race, there's something wrong," the McLaren driver said.
"This is the pinnacle of motor sport. We shouldn't be driving round so slowly to look after the tires."
Button added that even the thrill of overtaking has diminished considerably, since drivers know that they are often going past because "the other guy's tires are destroyed", while the need to ensure that the tires do not get too hot or cold demand extreme concentration from those at the wheel.


also forward your educational material to Webber, and LH, and Rosberg, and DiResta etc.. those stupid tools are still in the dark. Save them.

Last edited by PhilS13, Mon 13 May 2013, 23:25.

Quote from N I K I :

Wait I think I understand your point. You want to completely erase all this : BBC's best overtakes of 2012 (some in early laps, some DRS, some out of DRS zones but helped by DRS enabling chaser to stay close) just to see someone who is two seconds slower than he should be have a chance at defending his position. Yea, makes sense since you're probably 2 seconds off pace in LFS too. I know, compassion right.

You are entertained by that just like a kid is entertained by wrestling. It's ok...it doesn't make it any less fun...but the point Mustafur is trying to make is that something is fundamentally wrong under all of this.

The drivers know it, the engineers know it, some fans are just starting to see it.

Quote from BlueFlame :

No.. it didn't.
It's never been that and never will be.

You are clueless...if you want preservation there's something called endurance racing.

Hungary 1998 :

"It didn't work at the start and I had to push like hell when Ross decided to go for the three stops. When he told me what I had to do, I said 'thanks very much'. It was like 60 qualifying laps in all, but it worked." -Michael Schumacher

"Michael always rises to the occasion. We started the race with an open strategy, but once we were behind we had to go for the three stops. It was a gamble, but then we had nothing to lose. I told him what he had to do and it was asking a lot, but he's done it before." -Ross Brawn

Quote from dekojester :

So when did racing stop being about driving what you got to its limit and judging the risk vs reward?
If you want to go flat out for 100% of the race but your tyres only last 8 laps, then I guess you'll just need to pit for fresh tyres every 8 laps then! The tyres are the same for everyone, so it's up to the teams to utilize them the most efficient and fast way.

The "what you got" used to be your car and your ability to drive flat out. Now "what you got" is the thinnest tyre operating window any racing series has ever seen.

Working within that is not only boring for the drivers it's completely random given the sunday track conditions cannot be accurately predicted until your're in it.

The "I cannot go any slower" totally showed how ridiculous the situation has become. Drivers must be so ****ing sick of those tyres..Flat out? 8 laps ? LOL. If the boys would drive flat out like they should the tyres would go out their operating window in half a lap and never come back.

Last edited by PhilS13, Sun 12 May 2013, 18:49.

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I can see why the FIA don't want a bunch of teams smashing up their cars and having to spend shit loads of money repairing them.

I can't see why TBH. Let the crashers crash. They'll learn. It's called racing.

You want the puddles to go away ? You don't need a blower, you need A CAR RUNNING OVER IT.

Car is too low ? Make the full wet tires bigger.

The FIA can easily fix this but for some reason I don't get they won't and they look like a bunch of wankers.