Quote from GreyBull [CHA] :

You do have an interresting point, but one of the reason why 2 stops didn't work was also because Shanghai is an overtaking-friendly track, and because DRS was probably more efficient than some would've thought. If the same situation occured at a different track where overtaking remains difficult and risky(Silverstone, Hungaroring, etc), things would've been pretty much different.

Just remember of Melbourne 2010. A nice example of how track position can win over pace.

Vettel didn't lose by much. Only by a few seconds. And the difference between the McLaren and the Red Bull doesn't seem to be that big in race conditions. So that strategy wasn't totally useless IMO, just wrong place wrong time to pull it.

Yup. But if the FIA properly sets up the use of DRS we will barely see any driver suffering of poor track position caused by an early pit. A faster driver will always get through and will always be able to make the best use of fresh tires. You do not have anymore the need to compromise your own strategy over track position. Its each on his own, making the best use of the sets of tires he has.

FFS can't you see that 2 pitstops was the worst strategy that could have been done? Webber with the proper strategy finished 7 seconds behind super Hamilton and that is starting 17th, still stuck 15th after 15 laps btw, without KERS. Wake up.

During which stint Hamilton had to nurse the tires exactly? None. 3 pitstops and his extra set of softs gave him the chance to do what he does best. Drive flat out. 10-13 laps on brand new softs is nursing ? 18 laps on hards at the end of the race is nursing? Don't think so. Vettel did 24 on them and they still hadn't gone off the "CLIFF".

This wasn't a tire management race. We'll see more and more of that. You don't nurse the Pirellis, gives you nothing since brand new tires are so fast. Vettel learned that today. We won't see anyone trying that sort of strategy for a while.

Last edited by PhilS13, Sun 17 Apr 2011, 14:19.

Ben, you're talking to the guy who says Hamilton is great at looking after his tires despite the many races that have shown it's still not the case. Taking the only race(and a very out-of-the-ordinary-graining one) he may have managed to do a better job than others as an example doesn't make it a rule.

It was very smart to save a set for Lewis when they saw he didn't have a chance to beat Seb. He learned his lesson from Malaysia I guess. I have to believe he will eventually get good at this. Don't worry Intrepid one day you'll be able to say Hamilton is as good as Button on saving tires without looking like a fanatic.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/vid ... practice-2-malaysia-2011/

Quote from Bean0 :

Found on another forum, no idea how reliable it is...Apparently Red Bull might have a KERS system only for the start of the race, which would be a very clever interpretation of the rules.

All KERS equipped cars start with a fully charged battery for the start. So apparently RBR have installed a light weight battery 'KERS' system for the start of the race and then presumably haven't bothered with the kinetic recovery part from the brakes, therefore not having to bother with the negative aspect of messing with brake bias. This should mean there is less likelihood of their tyres locking up and flat spotting.

omg. win.

The car seems on another planet when watching onboard. It just rotates so well in every phase of cornering.

Outside UK there is

http://www.speedtv.com

for live practice 1 & 3 streaming. Only image and audio, no commentary.

Quote from Hyperactive :

Imho the softs and the rain are too close. In some races where the tracks dries up fast you may end up in a situations where it is hard to tell if the driver changed to softs if you didn't see the pit stops. And the markings look they may be like hard to read when in motion.

The blue tire is good for intermediate though . Why they aren't using green or cyan colors and having some colors so close to each other is just asking for trouble imho.

Ir's probably easier for pirelli to manage the tires that way (soft is always yellow for example) but now in every race you need to learn which tires are used and which is which.

So some of you basically need a colored marking to see the difference between heavy rain & dry tires?? For real?

How about looking at the damn tire thread. You know...the thing that makes a rain tire... well....a rain tire. If somehow this isn't possible then looking at how the car actually behaves & responds on the track and using your brain could do the the trick.

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Quote from Storm_Cloud :

Oh I see. Most of them left foot brake now so if it is a problem for them they can pull a bit of brake to pop the wing back, but not so much that they activate the engine cut off.

Or they just man up and deal with it. It's F1, it's not supposed to be easy.

Good point. Maybe a brake tap could work. Dunno if KERS could also be used to kill the brief weirdness.

I want it to be hard... but that type of hard is just lame to me. You climb the ladder racing normal cars and then you get to F1 and the car feels like nothing you've ever driven in certain situations because of the gimmicks it carries. Seems wrong to me.

From what I understood the wing goes back to normal when they touch the brakes. They are activating it with a button. It returns when they touch the brakes.

No?

The MRW will only be activated upon the driver pressing a special button on his steering wheel, and the wing will stay in its low-drag position until the driver applies the brakes.

One of the safety concerns is an apparent delay between the pressing of the button and the time it takes for the moveable rear wing to click back into place before braking. At Jerez last week, observers said there were several drivers having problems under heavy braking after the long straight.
"There is a sort of 'no man's land' of at least 5 metres when the load on the wing is not felt yet," Jarno Trulli confirmed to Autosprint.



I was asking myself if that would happen a couple weeks ago. Even though the wing moves very quickly the airflow still needs some time to settle and transfer the load to the wheels. If there is a brief moment of rear instability every time they touch the brakes after the overtaking straight it could become a mess.

Quote from BigPeBe :

Sorry but the biggest reason why people thinks that carb's are sucky and annoying to drive is that there is too much cars around what have old worn out carbs and wrong jetting etc. Carbs what are in good nick / right spec for the actual motor they are attached to and have been tuned properly work beautifully through RPM range and at different loads.

Yeah sure and the whole car industry threw them away for no reason.

Good luck getting the combination of fuel economy, emission & power numbers we see nowadays with those so amazing carbs.

When I say they suck I don't mean you'll necessary have a shitty idle & stumbling etc... I'm just saying they suck compared to injection on the instant adjustability level, which is pretty important on a road car.

Quote from spookthehamster :

the engines in NASCAR are operating at similar MEP values to those in F1. Yes, the cars may be completely detached from reality, and there are areas that could do with updating; but the level of engineering in aerodynamics and other areas is huge.

Pretty sure it is well understood that carburetors perform decently when the only thing you ask them is delivering peak performance out of an engine. They just suck at everything else.

Quote from BlueFlame :

1. Then it could easily be plastic with a CF texture.

2. That IS what I was saying.

All clear now, next time it'd just be better for everyone if you wouldn't call 'exhaust' any piece of cooling vent/duct.

Looks like we're done with the all-race-long-lasting prime tyre.

Quote from BlueFlame :

I agree, the 'exhaust' itself seems to made of Carbon Fibre, first time I've ever seen a CF exhaust before... indication that it is fake.

Plus the position that it is in almost reflects that of an inline cylinder engine, V format engines need more room to go from two banks of cylinders into one single exhaust port. Seems to look a bit odd in that respect. Only time will tell though, maybe it will be made of plastic!

I dont see how this manifold looks CF. What's the indication that it looks CF to you? Building a CF manifold only for it to be a dummy on the launch? Don't think so. It's plastic.

I don't get the inline vs V structure comparison. You know there's another bank of cylinders and another manifold on the other side of the car?



U-shaped pods could be a decent solution for bringing quality air to the rear. It also has a pretty long wheelbase. Jenson will like like that

Seems like they have multiple exhaust solutions and are still undecided on which to use. Looks like you can either blow: the diffuser starter hole, the diffuser outer areas or the front of the floor.

Quote from tristancliffe :

http://twitter.com/#!/ScarbsF1/status/32382814951313408

Yup. Some pics from today.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/201 ... t-exit-exhausts-pictured/

RB7 rear end is super tight as expected.

Exhaust going towards the front represents a HUGE packaging challenge/nightmare.

If they did it and it works, it is a major innovation. We'll know pretty soon I guess.

Tomorrow: RB7, W02, FW33, STR6 @ Valencia

Quote from Intrepid :

http://hopkinsonf1.wordpress.c ... ust-blown-front-diffuser/

Whaaaaat?

That could be huge

Quote from aroX123 :

If im not wrong, what you need to do on a "on the limit" qualli lap is:

-Push the KERS button.
-Change the rear wing.
-Possibly adjust the front wing flap.
-Change brake balance depending on the corner.
-And some other stuff that i dont know of.
(all that possible wet weather?)

Yes.

Rear wing adjustment will be only be "activated" when following closely another car. I doubt it will be usable in Q.

Front wing adjustment has been removed iirc.

Yes.

Quote from Mustafur :

But if there was more torque the grip would be reduced in acceleration.

Let's say you meant grip/tractive force ratio would be reduced instead of grip would be reduced.

Even with that, No. You're wrong.

How many times this needs to be explained ?

If there was more low-end torque, no one would give a shit cause they'd still come out of EVERY corner near redline where PEAK HP is.

If there was more high end torque, then they would have more...guess what? PEAK HP.

Allright enough we got it. Nobody gives a shit about your lame ass arguments. You're not funny. Just stop.

Couple of retards ruining 3 pages of the thread. Unbelievable.

Quote :

Nice that when the lack of torque was first mentioned, somebody quoted figures from an engine from the future that hasn't been built yet to prove them wrong!!!

Being "torqueless" doesn't mean anything precisely. Rasmus took the word differently. He just showed that 440 lbft is still a decent amount of torque coming from a small displacement engine.

Enough with the torque discussions . You're confusing some people even more

For those still wondering :

The only important number is peak HP. They have 7 gears, enough to compensate for the narrowish powerband. If you wanna have a good idea how these things will accelerate you just look at the peak HP number. That's it. Don't care about the torque, Don't care about the RPM. Peak HP matters.

600 peak hp, with the level of grip they have right now, is weak.

Quote from Widdowmaker :

dunno what I'm talking about BS

Intercooler on a NA car that is cooling the exhaust gas coming from the turbo.

Great post . Keep it up with the good technical info.

Quote from DeKo :

Currently, yes, but the way I understand this is that the other 150hp will be always available, essentially making the car 750hp, which is the same as the cars just now.

I doubt they'll tell the drivers "just go and reach the KERS button in the corner exit". Once the car is straightened up they could have 1200 hp with KERS and it still wouldn't be exciting to watch and/or drive.

600 hp in a corner exit with the level of traction they have now is a joke.

If you go having fun doing a risky sport with 4 races to go leading an F1 championship and then complain you didn't have full team support. IMO you kinda end up looking like a fool.