Hi, don't mind me asking, but why was the ping column removed? I found (or used to) it useful to check my ping before entering an event server - if it was too high due to some ISP issue I wouldn't bother to join. And if it was reasonable I would get in if I could. Now I have to join the server to find out; and if the server is full, I can't even do that.

Just a minor feedback, if it's not possible anymore to reintroduce it, perhaps a general ping counter for the 4 server locations for us to keep track of our latency.

.... also, separate inquiry, perhaps more pressing right now for me - how and why has my ping increased over the years from 210ms to now, 340ms? Pre-covid, I was able to get a fair ping considering my location (Singapore), but since 2021, and most regrettably 2022 where I noticed the worst degradation, it's now almost un-raceable at 340ms.

For reference, in 2022, ping went from 260-280, straight up to 330ms, and has basically... been that way till now on NL servers, which is the most-used by leagues.

I believe I've asked this issue a year or two ago, and it's been brushed aside as ISP issue, but I've since switched ISP, upped my speed to 2GBPS, and haven't kinked or done silly stuff to my cable. Fellow Singaporean guys I've met and raced with have raised similar issues as well, going from 210-250ms to now 340-360ms. Is there any fix from the provider/server side or is this purely how it's going to be across the pond? Appreciate any insights

Quote from Scawen :

This update simply adds favourites to the List of Hosts screen, which is helpful as there is no longer a ping column. You can sort by that column and also the two-letter country code column.

I think at the end of the day, we must always consider and be reminded that LFS was never meant to be an open source/moddable/editable game for the public to contribute to.

And I'm sure the devs wish to keep it that way, not just for the personal accomplishments of all 3 guys but also to not undermine the efforts and tinfoilery needed way back during LFS incarnation.

Also if we have guys that can produce track environments at better quality and rate than Eric, I don't think that'll look too good on the brand values and operational concepts.

So yeah. We can propose and ideate all we want for a user-accesible track editor but right now is probably not the right time to implement such. Maybe when our devs are aged 80....

Last edited by MicroSpecV, Sun 16 Jun 2024, 21:48.

2024 will be an exciting year for layouts! Stay tuned for Mega Monaco - the remaster of Mini Monaco, a newer Glendale, and more!

Nice work! What software? Blender? 3dsmax? Google? Roblox? (last is joke)

Looks mint. Nice stuff

Quote from Silverracer :

Just to shake things up, and to introduce some more excitement and innovation for LFS, how about considering a limited release of the track editor that Eric currently uses? SCAVIER could invite select community members, especially those with demonstrated skills in car modeling and layout creation, to participate first. This would allow them to gauge how well it works and then decide how to proceed with the integration (if at all).

The development of environments and tracks could be shared publicly, fostering a collaborative and transparent process. While immediate integration into LFS wouldn't be necessary, this approach would keep the community engaged and inspired.

To ensure Scawen can continue focusing on his current development tasks, perhaps Eric could take the lead in assisting users with the current version of the track editor. That would ensure that Scawen can focus on his current development without having to focus on a mild release of an updated layout editor/track editor.

At this stage, I believe their priority is in releasing the updated (development) version with the new tyre physics (imagine the time Scawen can save by avoiding maintaining two separate versions of LFS?).

If the timeline for the above step is uncertain, SCAVIER might consider temporarily pausing other developments to concentrate on developing a public version of the environment/track editor for release in a grand-scale. This focused effort could bring significant long-term benefits to LFS in my opinion.

Yes! Probably more feasible as it'll funnel the content naturally to be closer to stuff that may actually get approved and upped. Instead of influx of random environments and eventually some buggy stuff.

The radio silence to the track editor/layout editor suggestions is unreal :lol:

Pretty straightforward request -
Hopefully it's feasible, but we hope to see the following 3 things included in editor:
1) Catchfencing (length, height adjustable) - can be unisoned wall object with simple expandable fencing texture above
- self explanatory for layouts... would help greatly keeping cars in the couse


2) Kerb accessories (length adjustable) - inclusive of flat ground kerb and yellow sausage kerb
- like the ones teased in the NY 2023 poster https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/2028516#post2028516 or the ones mentioned here https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/2027693#post2027693, and again, self explanatory for layout use, as now we're making do with glitchy ramps


3) Single-object chalk line - currently the chalk line object is a 2m strip, perhaps layout editor could incorporate a point-to-point system where you can preset nodes and then join the lines together to make one continuous object - would save a ton of object count. However this may not be possible... so maybe just the first two important suggestions..?

Quote from Bokujishin :

snip.

That's some really good info, sheds more light on what will be affected due to changes.

We could probably do away with more precise placement thru the 2 axis (for now), but we do need more crucial objects like: catchfencing, kerb objects (Scawen where's the New year 2023 teaser kerbs....), and sausage kerbs...

These 3 are really needed for any layout wanting to level up and out of the basics, and from a league standpoint also it's a good thing if cars don't fly off track due to lack of fencing. Currently we make do by substituting fencing with "wall" object shaped like billboards but it's hardly a nice sight...

Quote from thegamer23 :

I can get that point of view!

But what i was mainly suggesting would be just an improved-upgraded layout editor, rather than a full fledged "Track Editor".

What's the difference of having hundreds of custom layouts on a grey parking area compared to having bit more good-looking and less minecraft-looking layouts over a grass field for example?

(and maybe adding a few new objects just to give the custom layouts little bit more characters)

Yes but by adding terrain objects like grass, asphalt etc it is essentially terraform-based objects... which is basically what a Track Editor will be managing - and that's exactly what's been blocked from being introduced as far as I can remember.

I agree with more objects for sure. Like what I mentioned above, catchfencing, kerb object, and maybe even finer points of adjustment for length,height, angle. But I don't think we'll see terrain objects

At the current juncture I'd be more inclined to ask Scawen to add two simple things to current LFS Layout Editor...

1) Standard Wall obj but with catchfencing texture (no pass thru obj) above, adjustable in length with fixed wall height
2) A chalk object with pattern or texture that resembles a flat kerb, adjustable in length and color (existing 4 tone)

@Scawen pretty please?

Quote from thegamer23 :

I think this could be done in progressive way, improving the layout editor fist

For example, introducing for example a plain grass field location that can allow building tracks that doesn't look like big grey parking lots.

snip.

Good idea but it's basically what everyone's whos wanted a Track Editor has been requesting for - sandbox open world, mesh and textured objects and free form tools... however iirc somewhere in forum Eric and Scawen have already mentioned they want to keep the game production to themselves hence no track editor. If there were to be one, it would take a) a lot of convinicing in terms of profit, branding and economical benefit of doing so (more licences, more new users coming onboard just for the editor), and b) probably after the new track worlds have been added...

If a Track Editor were to be made public it'll probably be to specifically chosen users whom have shown building skills and explorative approach to track building (because essentially you'd be doing a percentage of what Eric is already doing) - and I believe it should be as such... having a open source kind of concept like vehicle mods but for Track/sandbox would invite a whole new host of rubbish that Mods will have to sift through. Not to mention the amount of new storage space the servers (and the game size itself) will have to accomodate.

+1
Well, I myself can't wait for the day of Track Editor privilages. After 10 years of tooling with object editor I'm sure I've hit creativity limits due to its limitations.... I have endless track ideas and can pretty much draft a (well thought out) track config out in 15 minutes... But I can dream

Would definitely wish I can transpose any of these into actual track environments with the elevation and camber I originally dreamt of.











And a few more work-in-progress stuff yet to be released 😎

Quote from gu3st :

Yeah people might have to do more work than just ripping from other sims.

I mean... I've been layoutting custom driver oriented tracks since 2016, and perhaps it is just my creativity and knowledge of track flow but I've rarely had to resort to stealing ideas from other irl existing tracks, unless I'm making... an irl track - but I still don't see the need to rip tracks directly off sims. that's just wrong.



This is yet to be published 😁 It will debut on this year's Layout Racing League...



And this as well...



Or this...

In short... not everyone has the institutional intuitive sense to poop out tracks. Only a few people I know can as well (shoutout to Michal... Rony... 9397... Niko and so forth). So if there WERE to be a track editor, it can't be made public domain for every user to use. It takes way more coordination and effort to craft (yes, craft, not simply make) a layout.

Still, I'll await the day LFS Track editor is a thing.... tons of tracks in the waiting...

Last edited by MicroSpecV, Fri 31 May 2024, 05:52.

The suggestion I was responding to before was:

Quote from carreragt339 :

on the mouse steering topic, i feel like unifying mouse controls with controllers could be a good idea, i have been using the mouse for full car control since somewhere around 2012, i have my steering and the gas/brake mapped to mouse, so when i push up, throttle is increased, when i pull down, the car starts braking, to turn and throttle or brake, i pull my cursor to the required quadrant of the screen etc.

after all those years, i still end up accidentally applying the brakes a bit or wobbling the steering on straights when i am shifting sometimes (i use sequential with clutch help on keyboard) especially when i am trying to shift fast, i would appreciate a tiny bit of deadzone in the middle to prevent that and also make it easier to hold the wheel fully straight when i need to

for the people that like it how it is right now or dont use the mouse for gas/brake, i feel like they can set the center deadzones to 0 and edge deadzones to a number similar to the multiplier they were using to have no change in their habits (the system could permit out of range edge deadzones to emulate lower than 1x multiplier)

i also feel like adjustments of 0.1x are a bit coarse, this would allow finer adjustments too (i have my gas/brake at 1.1x and it leaves a bit more deadzone on the top and bottom than i would like, i was unable to fully brake or throttle just by a tiny bit with 1.0x after a mouse change a few years ago)

//
To this, I suggested that if there were to be a new mouse steer adaptation for deadzone and the changes mentioned, to please keep the current legacy mouse controls as the default and have the new addition as an option - as everyone's whos on mouse would dearly not want to relearn how to drive again after a decade of muscle memory and would rather not continue racing here.... plus, this is a racing simulator, and if someone has to have a mouse deadzone to keep the car going straight its either a) for cruise or b) someone who hasn't grasped mouse steering properly.

Maybe others can share their sentiments on having mouse steering reworked or if its good as it is currently!

Thanks for delete @Scawen, I have repurposed this to the correct subforum for all to see and discuss 😁

Last edited by MicroSpecV, Sun 26 May 2024, 16:36.

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mouseman sends his regards

Quote from JayDeM :

once again, I find my self struggling to have reasons to play liveforspeed.
woe, is me forever waiting for a update that seems to be sailing faster further away than I can swim to it.

What do you guys do when these times hit?

Well, most of us just did this:



or this,



or, most recently,



So yeah... ever since the mods came out, it's pretty much impossible to run out of new things to try. Yes, the tracks have remained the same apart from cosmetic changes, but then again there are layouts aplenty, and nice ones at that. It's the mindset that matters

Last edited by MicroSpecV, Mon 20 May 2024, 16:45.

wait what someone actually used avus???? Thanks Rony 👍 Wasnt expecting one from the archives

Last edited by MicroSpecV, Mon 20 May 2024, 16:32.

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88/microspecv/Sean Lee/Singapore/Air Attack Racing

What is Air Support?
- Air Support (AS for short) was started in 2018 as an easier and more approachable means for drivers of all calibre to signup and enter into the Air Attack team, by having more attainable recruiement goals and providing a incentive rank system for drivers to aim for as they progress.

How does AS help me as a driver?
- We give guidance and assistance through our drivers, for your driving and technique. Available in any of our servers, our drivers are more than willing to help you progress your skill.

How to join Air Attack (AA) team?
- Air Attack is the main/parent team wing. To get to Air Attack, show your talent and ability to engage the community in the AA servers; through a rank system, you will make your way from AS to AA.

Last edited by MicroSpecV, Mon 8 Apr 2024, 02:21.

SERIES INTRO


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Link to GT2 Challenge subforum - by New Dimension Racing
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Round 4 - Season finale Race Edit

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Round 3 - Race edit