If you bothered to read the top and bottom of that thread you'll notice I'm om that too.
Yes, its good to hear some form of response. But...
Verbal announcements are too norm now. Its pretty much the standard answer every single time - where are teasers or at least a proper estimate? It's as if the updates are dragging their hind legs trying to move along over the course of this dozen years LFS has been around.
Well, where are they?
Some teasers would certainly hype the crowd and silence the speculations.. all we get are just worded "meh" responses to sort of confirm that tracks are on the way.
No taking away from the fact that yes, its relieving to a certain extent when Scawen comes on abd says something, but after a while it gets mundane and standard.
And even so, 2 tracks after such a long gap is nothing to be happy about. Hopefully it comes out soon.....
Probably a no go but if they do accept this wildcard I'd be pleasantly surprised... although, where has this Nordschleife guy gone?
I occassionally pop in the fast time at SRT or FM Friday, or demo, then cruise. Theres literally 0 leagues of any sort catering to the Oceania time zone, which is sad, because there isn't enough audience in the region... or LFS in general.
Problem solving :
Problem : Lack of activity/variety or expansion of leagues
Why? Not enough users
Why? Insufficient content to make game (product) attractive to targeted market.
Why? Lacks consistency and variety of updates
Why? Effort not focused enough on developing game
Why? Dev team have not properly researched or did any form of public surveying or secondary research in order to determine what the community wants (or what the public wants from a simulator of such potential niche, like LFS).
Root cause : Improper planning and lack of understanding.
Have I nailed it though? Marketing and business modules are really helping
Again, not trying to be hurtful, but I'm just blunt and straightforward. I'm not the sort to dumb it down to make it easier to digest - its just the way it is.. but I hope my opinions and critism would contribute to the development of the game, and not affect it negatively to deter development instead. Refocusing is key as I'm adamant that the community will go for more tracks over a graphical update. Its all about weighing the options, and at the moment I'm inclined to say, tracks.
Shift the focus, resources, all to crafting new tracks, or at least revamping the ones we have now.
Baseline is, tracks is one of the most vital key to a simulator, and graphics should not be the first thing to look at when trying to present more content.
A simulator without tracks (or enough tracks, in this case) is detrimental. Graphics.. not so. We could live with mediocore graphics.
You have amazing graphics but a handful of tracks, you still have the same lack of content, just that it looks better. Pointless.
As a simracer I'm holding on to LFS, but with a wheel and new desktop, I'm struggling to stay on the boat and not shift to iR or rFactor (or even Codies). There just isnt enough oomph anymore.
Hope you're hearing this mate @Scawen.
Bless,
Nova.
Problem solving :
Problem : Lack of activity/variety or expansion of leagues
Why? Not enough users
Why? Insufficient content to make game (product) attractive to targeted market.
Why? Lacks consistency and variety of updates
Why? Effort not focused enough on developing game
Why? Dev team have not properly researched or did any form of public surveying or secondary research in order to determine what the community wants (or what the public wants from a simulator of such potential niche, like LFS).
Root cause : Improper planning and lack of understanding.
Have I nailed it though? Marketing and business modules are really helping
Again, not trying to be hurtful, but I'm just blunt and straightforward. I'm not the sort to dumb it down to make it easier to digest - its just the way it is.. but I hope my opinions and critism would contribute to the development of the game, and not affect it negatively to deter development instead. Refocusing is key as I'm adamant that the community will go for more tracks over a graphical update. Its all about weighing the options, and at the moment I'm inclined to say, tracks.
Shift the focus, resources, all to crafting new tracks, or at least revamping the ones we have now.
Baseline is, tracks is one of the most vital key to a simulator, and graphics should not be the first thing to look at when trying to present more content.
A simulator without tracks (or enough tracks, in this case) is detrimental. Graphics.. not so. We could live with mediocore graphics.
You have amazing graphics but a handful of tracks, you still have the same lack of content, just that it looks better. Pointless.
As a simracer I'm holding on to LFS, but with a wheel and new desktop, I'm struggling to stay on the boat and not shift to iR or rFactor (or even Codies). There just isnt enough oomph anymore.
Hope you're hearing this mate @Scawen.
Bless,
Nova.
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@Scawen
Really interesting! Seems like good stuff. Cheers for the update.
Although I can't help but think :
Why hasn't tracks been put as the top priority? A simulator needs to have a good amount of tracks in order to do well. Add to the fact that LFS has pretty good physics already, leagues don't have much tracks to go to once the current 8 have done cycle - one of the major turnaways of hosting anything in lfs that has a calendar schedule.
Physics has been pushed back for such a long time I can say that, at least for me, it's not top priority any more. We waited 10 years, surely more won't hurt.
Point being, there isn't enough actual content to go around. Improved graphical elements are a huge plus, but making something pretty wouldn't do much justice if there isn't much to make pretty in the first place, sort to speak. People looking to join LFS would be turned away by the sheer lack of environments (track worlds), and those who do join would say the same thing as me about 2 years down the road.
I'm fine with the cars, I'm fine with the graphics the way it is, but there needs to be more tracks. At this point its really quantity over quality, no matter how you would choose to argue.
Apolgies if it is a bit blunt, but its (at least) 2 men's living and business and I wouldn't like to see it driven to oblivion..
If you've read all of this, cheers scawen.
Really interesting! Seems like good stuff. Cheers for the update.
Although I can't help but think :
Why hasn't tracks been put as the top priority? A simulator needs to have a good amount of tracks in order to do well. Add to the fact that LFS has pretty good physics already, leagues don't have much tracks to go to once the current 8 have done cycle - one of the major turnaways of hosting anything in lfs that has a calendar schedule.
Physics has been pushed back for such a long time I can say that, at least for me, it's not top priority any more. We waited 10 years, surely more won't hurt.
Point being, there isn't enough actual content to go around. Improved graphical elements are a huge plus, but making something pretty wouldn't do much justice if there isn't much to make pretty in the first place, sort to speak. People looking to join LFS would be turned away by the sheer lack of environments (track worlds), and those who do join would say the same thing as me about 2 years down the road.
I'm fine with the cars, I'm fine with the graphics the way it is, but there needs to be more tracks. At this point its really quantity over quality, no matter how you would choose to argue.
Apolgies if it is a bit blunt, but its (at least) 2 men's living and business and I wouldn't like to see it driven to oblivion..
If you've read all of this, cheers scawen.
"...absolutely no asia and oceania racers..."
Sorry, what?
Sorry, what?
Yea.. I don't see anything special or "oooh" with any vob mod..
A fully fledged racable track or a new car with physics would be what I'll be impressed about.
Then again, if that happens, Eric would probably be pulling at straws...
+1 Nahh...
Many others do this as well.. (looking at you, Vanos).
What would really impress me, and probably others as well, is if someone actually made race-ready LFS tracks (in mod packs of course, or just surface edit DLC), just like those hobbiysts in AC. If they did that then I'd really tip my hat off, and it would really question the slow update progress of LFS.
Yea.. in short, those bodykit mods (VOB mods) don't say much... doesn't do a lot to change what LFS is, so it's not really anything interesting to me.
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side note :
Wouldn't it be ironic and controversial if someone literally ripped off the entire LFS game, coding, scenery and cars, went home, added his own ready-to-go handmade AA+ tracks, cars, physics, ectra to the game, then published it, and update it regularly like AC?
And then LFS would die in its shadows lol
@UM
Lower the side walls mate, this looks like the euro tunnel to France
Lower it to somewhat Monza banking style of height, would be correct to the time then
Lower the side walls mate, this looks like the euro tunnel to France
Lower it to somewhat Monza banking style of height, would be correct to the time then
It would be cool if you stopped cracking LFS.
It would be cool if you'd actually look up the thread history of this forum section and realise people have suggested this countless times before you did.
Eh, and this "it would be cool" thing is catching on, eh?
Eh, and this "it would be cool" thing is catching on, eh?
It would be cool if you bought a S2 licence and go to [TC] Citydriving and experience whatever you just suggested.
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Or just go to LCS Cruise?
They have cruise and speedlimits, ectra too, lol
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Or just go to LCS Cruise?
They have cruise and speedlimits, ectra too, lol
Well said
You had S2 previously on this account - and only drove a measly 380 miles? And your last race was 3 years ago, and you only have one post?
I'm highly doubting your legitimacy, unless you bought S2 just to experience G25 or something lol
I'll just leave it at this :
"You can't lose a LFS licence. You can only lose a cracked licence."
Have fun writing that email to the devs. Do update on the 'progress'
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^ What he said. Contact LFS support with evidence and proof and they'll help you out. But it is highly unlikely as once you buy the licence you cant be revoked. Are you sure you're not pulling a fast one?
I support serious bumpdrafting (not just random bumps at corners, or like a heavy ram from behind).
If two leaders tandem draft and seem to be pulling away, I'd drop back a little and get a 2-car draft from the car behind to catch up. It's all tactical - and it's why NASCAR has lifted the restrictions on bumpdrafting.
If two leaders tandem draft and seem to be pulling away, I'd drop back a little and get a 2-car draft from the car behind to catch up. It's all tactical - and it's why NASCAR has lifted the restrictions on bumpdrafting.
@Bish Hope you recover soon to use wheel again
@Lucaf Airio does have the capability for that like Maus and Bish have said. Just that its only "optional reason" thus some won't (or don"t know how to) oput a reason
@Lucaf Airio does have the capability for that like Maus and Bish have said. Just that its only "optional reason" thus some won't (or don"t know how to) oput a reason
Normally if two people start arguing I issue a final warning for both and kick them both. Usually ceases the arguing lol
Or get everyone to join the Ts at the start of quali. That way it removes the element of lateness if instead is a rushed call just before race start.
Have raced with Gemini before,a few times. He's a step higher than me, I must admit. Pretty tough keeping pace, most of the time defending as hard as I can
He does mid 1:11s easily whike I struggle to do high 11s 
@Bishtop
Yup. Battles still happen now. Had an awesome ding dong with Kode earlier
Yup. Battles still happen now. Had an awesome ding dong with Kode earlier
@Lucaf Do you wish to host 9397 again? But a combi champ with both your layouts and mine!
Make it a year-long season with unique layouts and you'll have a new talk-of-the-town
Maybe GTi too!
Make it a year-long season with unique layouts and you'll have a new talk-of-the-town
Maybe GTi too!
Well, I seldom have battles like this anymore...
I usually give 1 or 2 warnings before issuing a ban or kick. Or sooner/instant if the person is crashing or hacking.
I agree that insta ban without reason will not solve anything, but instead encourage the behaviour (unless it's a rammer with purpose, then he deserves it),. But some form of pre-ban warning should be the norm before any admin action takes place.
Sometimes you have to be on your toes for insta bans for obvious deliberate ramming or crap behaviour though, as the purpose of modding the server is to maintain a fair racing environment with no hiccups.
No admin wants to wait until something happens to innocent drivers, before taking late action.
I agree that insta ban without reason will not solve anything, but instead encourage the behaviour (unless it's a rammer with purpose, then he deserves it),. But some form of pre-ban warning should be the norm before any admin action takes place.
Sometimes you have to be on your toes for insta bans for obvious deliberate ramming or crap behaviour though, as the purpose of modding the server is to maintain a fair racing environment with no hiccups.
No admin wants to wait until something happens to innocent drivers, before taking late action.
" I also think 5% is too much, hence is why I'm trying to reason with the 3 or 4% and balancing the XRT....
Sorry, you were saying?
FXO with 5% is a shitbox. 4% and balance the XRT and we're good to go.
Or introduce dynamic restrictions to level the field at each track, because certain cars fair much better at (X) track than others do. Like RB4 at South City, or FXO at BL.
Imo there can never be a "set restriction" if you really really want it to be a fully equal grid at every single track combo. Dynamic tailored handicaps is the only way that cars can be customised to get matched for pace to each other at each particular track.
4-2-0 is the most "fair" and consistant restriction for a non-dymanic restriction rule, however.
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