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bishtop
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Quote from SamH :Ahh wait, nope I'm not arguing that Britain is a beacon of democracy. I wouldn't ever claim that. It's not. Far from it.

It's supposed to be, and a lot of people (like yourself) falsely believe that it is, but it's not. But with that said, it's better than many.

I'm really not one to entertain this "whataboutery", though. Britain doesn't need to be without fault for me to point out the abject failures of other nations. The point is that I support the democratic process, and I oppose breaches and failures of the process, both home and abroad.

The point i was trying to get across ( i admit, not very clearly) is that parties can be banned(whether right or wrongfully), but still have something resembling democracy and be nothing like what Russia has had to endure.
bishtop
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Quote from SamH :If you can find anywhere where I suggested for one moment that I supported Britain's ban of ANY political parties, now would be a really good time to point that out.

I never said you did ? would you say we live in a democratic country then ?

Even more , this is not even important while the country is being destroyed by Putin. More concerning is the slaughter of civillians and the attack on a countrys sovereignty
bishtop
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Quote from SamH : It rather seems like you're an anti-democratic supporter of tyrannical systems (much like Russia, for example). Sorry if this comes as bad news, mate.

Or like the UK for example, who has also banned 50 political parties.
bishtop
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Quote from Avraham Vandezwin :

If developers manage to take advantage of Steam without imposing its inconveniences on their players, i have nothing against that. On the other hand, having to go through Steam to play LFS, no thanks. I prefer to reinstall Windows 95 and Codemaster Toca2.

It wouldn't be of an inconvenience to you, it would only be the regular steam users that downloaded LFS via steam that would be going through it.
bishtop
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Great video, so much time is lost with incorrect braking
bishtop
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Quote from SamH :I did answer your question, but because you have no concept of democracy, you're unable to conceive of my reply.

But for the avoidance of doubt, YES! You have abandoned the democratic process when you ban political views from participating in the process.

So we should allow Neo nazi/fascism and racist parties to have a chance in government ?

Please be an adult and lose the attitude. We're both adults and should show respect to each other Smile

Sorry if somehow i've shown disrespect
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bishtop
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Quote from SamH :"we will defend our democracy by abandoning democracy!"

lol

Still haven't answered my question Big grin

And are you saying that when you ban political parties it means democracy has been abandoned.

So guess that counts the same for the UK with around 50 banned political parties

And whats with the attitude ? Thought you were someone who discussed like an adult
bishtop
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Quote from SamH :Okay, come back when you have the faintest grasp on the meaning of "democracy", and then - if and when we establish a common understanding that the democratic process is preferable to the authoritarian tyranny you seem to be proposing - we could conceivably have a conversation about how to proceed.

So you're saying that Ukraine should allow itself to be compromised?

Tell me the difference between my example of having a political party that supported al qaeda while the attacks had happened ?

And its suspended the groups legally under martial law
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bishtop
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Quote from SamH :Surrendering to what? Democracy?

If you don't want pro-Russian politicians in your parliament, you do better. You BE better. Beat them at the ballot box. It's supposed to be the very thing that sets you apart from them.

Wow.

Why would they allow Pro-Russian politicians to get power in their country, while that country is being attacked by the country that the politicians support.

Like i said that is how they lost other regions. Russia has no rights politically within Ukraine.

What your saying is similar to allowing al qaeda supporters into our government while the attacks had been happening

All countries have banned political parties

Uk for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ ... t_groups_(1945–present)
bishtop
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Quote from SamH :Obviously you're just not keeping up.


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-zelensky-s-party-crackdown-his-first-mistake-


Because while the most important thing here is to stop the war and its associated loss of human life, this distinguishes between Ukraine surrendering and Russia withdrawing. If you're just going to abandon the rights and freedoms associated with the west, you may just as well put the guns down and let Russia in. If you don't have rights and freedoms, you might just as well be part of Russia.

I quote " including the pro-Russian ‘Opposition – Platform For Life’ " so that would be allowing russia in. You do know how Russia has overtook area's of Ukraine in the past by installing Pro-Russian mayors. this is protecting the rights of freedom for the Ukrainian people by not letting Russia sneak in.

Russia has no rights with installing Pro-Russian members into Ukrainian government

Also The Spectator is a political news outlet(conservatives) and not an independent media, so considering all complain about free media, that paper is certainly not

By allowing like Pro-Russian members of the government, you're essentially surrending.

Read more on it here explaining why

https://www.theguardian.com/wo ... ties-with-links-to-russia
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bishtop
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Quote from UnknownMaster21 :I dont believe it. It decreases the threat sure but have to be stupid to think it could never happen.

It decreases the threat and would mean that the defence of a Nato country would be stronger than an attack, so it works as intended. I struggle to see your point on the negatives.

Quote from SamH :I'm just going to register my opposition here, to Zelenskyy's latest acts of media censorship and banning of political opposition. It's unacceptable in Russia and it's unacceptable in Ukraine.

Voices advocating for a diplomatic solution, and for and end to killing, ON BOTH sides, must not be silenced.

Hes banned Pro-Russian media not banned opposition media(political), why wouldn't he ? they spread misinformation as all know.

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine- ... on-tv-stations/a-56438505
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bishtop
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Quote from UnknownMaster21 :NATO was never real good option for geopolitical reasons...

Nato was the best thing, it prevents Nuclear weapons being used on single countries and attacks on single countries in the alliance.

Without doubt Putin would of tried to or rebuilt the USSR, its no secret that it was a low part of his life when it fell when he was a young KGB Officer. Poland and estonia would almost certainly of been next.

What isn't propaganda is that within Russia Putin is the only voice that matters within his circle, those around him could not say anything against the invasion, watch the televised meeting just before the war and see how he spoke down to the spy chief for not saying things clearly about his opinion.

https://youtu.be/ucEs0nBuowE?t=17

In war theres only one at fault, and that is the aggressor, the one trying to take over another's land by use of force.

If you look at the post above yours, it shows the level of disinformation that is attempted and not questioned or even researched before people spread it, it took me 2 seconds to dispell the claim.
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bishtop
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Quote from Avraham Vandezwin :Putting the LFS demo on Steam is using Steam to promote LFS. LFS needs visibility. Maybe that's a good thing? (how many licenses were sold with that?).
Forcing players to go through Steam to play LFS is something else. This would add huge constraints (40GB of total pollution, connection obligation, update problem, unwanted advertising...).

Using Steam is like giving the keys to your house to someone who can decide if you have the right to enter and if your house is still yours...

LFS is an off-the-shelf, off-system, indie game. This is also what makes it unique. Platforms like Steam are already the past. The future is the LFS marketing model: The short circuit. Direct from producer to consumer without unnecessary and costly harmful intermediary.

You wouldn't really be forcing players to go through steam as the new customers would already be steam users, they already would have steam installed.
Battlefield which used to be an Origin only game had decided to also go through steam which brought in a lot of new players.

With steam having around 120 million users it could only have a postive effect on that side of things, and by only offering the demo version through steam you wouldn't have to be sharing any cost of those deciding to buy the licenses.

Quote from michal 1279 :
To be fair, this is something that definitely ha to be considered.
But it has to be DEMO ONLY (so the core LFS is still standalone and independent) and I strongly suggest to do it AFTER the graphical update (unfortunately graphics are the first impression a game can give and LFS graphics as it is right now is not very impressive for general playerbase, so if we don't want to make the reviews flooded with thumbs down, it has to wait until the update is up and running)

I agree, the graphical update along with the current Mod system would be whats needed to get it go the right way on steam.
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bishtop
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Quote from Turbo :My opinion is once the new physics and graphics have been released, is to take the time to make LFS available on Steam.

Online marketplaces, like it or not are where the games industry is going or is already at.

Initially i never saw this as the way forward but my opinion has started to steer towards it probably being best. Even if it was put on steam as a demo game with information on how to buy licenses to unlock all content
bishtop
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I must admit for me its been stuff irl that has taken me from racing everyday to rarely racing. Hopefully its going to change soon though.
bishtop
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Quote from dfgjkl :Britney Spears got more brains not to mention balls

internet says her instagram account has been deleted...

ps what future awaits Arnie if he drowns for Russia?

Her(Britney's) instagram account is and always has been active, il have to go as far to admit i follow britney on Instagram Big grin

The font and emoji's are not used on Instagram

If you can find the link to what she is supposed to have liked then id believe it, otherwise its just more fake news, i doubt selena would have like it too as we live in an age of Cancel Culture, and this would have a detrimental effect on their careers.


https://www.instagram.com/britneyspears/?hl=en

Anyway i think zelensky stating that he would defer from trying to join nato if it kept the peace is a good move, and one would hope it would be enough for peace but lets see.
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bishtop
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Quote from Racer X NZ :Those people who follow my posts will know how opposed to this war I am, But I would like to point out the complete hypocrisy of many people here who ignore western wars of aggression as they are, for some reason, absolutely acceptable.

By Ali Haj Suleiman and Kareem Chehayeb
Published On 3 Feb 2022
3 Feb 2022
Updated:
4 Feb 2022
04:34 PM (GMT)
Atmeh, Syria – At least 13 people, including six children, have been killed during a United States special operations forces raid in Syria’s rebel-held Idlib province, according to residents and first responders.

The overnight raid targeted a building in Atmeh, a densely populated town in northwest Syria near the Turkish border, where tens of thousands of people displaced by the country’s decade-long war live.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/3/civilians-killed-us-special-operations-raid-syria

Could we possibly agree that ALL WARS LIKE THIS ARE WRONG AND ALL NATIONS SHOULD STOP THEM.

And, if you wish to justify Western Wars of domination but criticize any other nations Wars of domination then the term hypocrite is completely appropriate.

I am not supporting ANY wars, I am opposed to them all, but the following is very appropriate.
"You hypocrite! First, remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye."

Even though 2 wrongs never make a right, you should also mention the 18.000+ civillians killed in syria by Russian Attacks.

https://www.dw.com/en/russian- ... d-18000-people/a-45702091

While i know that many news outlets are untrustworthy, i can say that DW was one that spoke out against the war in Iraq and even told of the lies given from those higher up in government and interviewed those within government that came forward to disagree with the reason for war.

What is obvious though, is that Russian Missiles and soldiers are killing civillians with the attacks, and we can see the proof everywhere, unfortuantly due to restrictions in Russia its hard but not impossible to see.

@dfgjkl

Maybe i'm wrong but it seems like you're trolling, it seems strange that a russian person would have to use google translator to write in Russian, even if they moved away a long time ago.
Many Russians that still within Russia do not agree with the War, for they're like and in many cases are sisters, brothers and family. They'res plenty of undeniable evidence of civillians being killed and civillian buildings hit.

And Racer x NZ is right, all wars like this are wrong, we should have evolved enough where as diplomatic relations can sort out any genuine concerns.
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bishtop
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Quote from dfgjkl :and where is bloodshed? I noticed one man in a mask there, he did not disdain humanitarian aid in my first video about melitopol and now he's protesting Omg omg omg

stock up on diapers Thumbs up


short version https://youtu.be/Bhd714Db1v4

Melitopol where the mayor was kidnapped and a pro-russian one installed.

more from melitopol

https://www.theguardian.com/wo ... occupied-southern-ukraine

A video from mariupol, which is also getting destroyed

https://youtu.be/E4o6k5D7x7I

Me stock up on diapers PMSL, still didnt answer my comment about the irony of you saying that im telling people what to think, all the while your posting what Putin is making others think.

The irony of it all, you left Russia long ago
bishtop
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Quote from dfgjkl :And this is Melitopol Today
https://youtu.be/rLFTTEMdXq4

This is melitopol

https://youtu.be/YyymNLeEoUs

https://news.sky.com/video/ukr ... ces-abduct-mayor-12564025

Keep showing videos that putin wants people to see, not what is really going on Big grin

Quote from dfgjkl :I explained why I mentioned Lugansk.



"Ukraine does not have cluster bombs" evidence? and I never saw the Russian jet in your videos



sorry I had to write a description of the video - March 03, Melitopol 2022 humanitarian aid from the Russian side, Ukrainian soldiers with a yellow armband are helping, the operator draws attention to the Ukrainian flag that has not been removed, that is, this is not the capture of the country, other goals ...



you are so interesting, you always decide for us how we think Smile No, no one tells us how to think, understand?

The irony, i am pissing myself laughing at you. You say that, yet isnt that what putin is doing and your spreading here ? hahaha
bishtop
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Quote from Viperakecske :Bad thing for lfs.

No pleasing some. damned if you do and damned if you dont.
bishtop
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Quote from dfgjkl :@bishtop I did not claim that this was Lugansk, but I assumed,can't understand the video from the angle.Then Kharkov view of the shelling of the city where is the Russian jet fighter?
does your media show this?
https://youtu.be/mvNuMmnzZ0Y
Ukrainian soldiers with a yellow armband

You mentioned Lugansk, i did not mention it once, either directly or indirectly ?

Considering Ukraine does not have cluster bombs and Russia used them by the thousands in syria that speaks the facts.

And a Ukrainian soldier wearing a yellow armband, yes and ? what is this video supposed to be portraying.

I know the use of the armbands, but it has been said that "Saboteur elements of the Russian military have now started wearing a distinct yellow band in an attempt to infiltrate and mix in with Ukrainians who wear the bands for easy identification and to avoid “friendly fire”

Remember their is no Russian media, only the state run media which tells you Putins narrative. True?
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bishtop
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Lynces fernbay texture update was good

https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/81539
bishtop
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Quote from dfgjkl :@bishtop Well, this is art shelling in both of your videos. And not jet fighters.And again on the video says ukraina and where exactly? It looks like another shelling of Luhansk from the ukr side.

LOL , and its in Kharviv,

Another video of cluster bombs in Kharviv, looking forward to your spin on this one Big grin

https://youtu.be/npB-9eHBl_8?t=57

Also the following video , shows who Russians believe is a nazi(from previous protest)

https://youtu.be/MsfUiTJv2lE?t=1856

The following shows that the people have never really been behind Putin

https://youtu.be/MsfUiTJv2lE?t=1860
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bishtop
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Quote from dfgjkl :this is what it looks like cluster bombs dropped from a Jet.took the link from the comments of your video https://youtu.be/1__DS94pz1o

or


The effects of cluster bombs is determined by the amount of bomblets added.

Heres another cluster bomb video (Not from the Ukraine attack, just to show how the effect can be changed)

https://youtu.be/GYDUN_e9Xis?t=30
FGED GREDG RDFGDR GSFDG