Quote from dfgjkl :

Did you know blue letters in text opens urls? Everything is explained there with indication of sources and photo/video.while you show YouTube videos showing the aftermath without any evidence indicating anyone's involvement.

Like the website you posted which directed to a facebook account of a totally different person and not the Russian soldier taken prisoner.

Here in the next video, cluster bombs dropped from a Russian Jet

https://youtu.be/5D-2Rr7XplE?t=41

Yet Russia accuses Ukraine of using cluster bombs, and does not itself use them.

https://youtu.be/YxCxlxX1Nls?t=75

Quote from dfgjkl :

All right Take Care Now, Bye Bye Then

Its just a random account which holds no weight. You or myself or anyone could have an account stating information, but while its just text with no evidence shown, any post made lacks any weight to their claims currently.

Quote from Lotesdelere :

She is named Marina Ovsyannikova and she explains the reasons why she has done it:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60744605

Thanks. Shes apparently had an appearance at court, but is afraid that she is going to be charged under the new law.
Like Marina who has an Ukrainian father and Russian Mother, i feel the pain for the many other people who have families on both sides.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

"We can speakout against our governments and not have to fear harm."

If you say so.......
https://www.employmentlawgroup.com/timeline-us-whistleblowing/

1974 – Karen Silkwood
Karen Silkwood was a lab analyst and union activist at an Oklahoma nuclear facility. She became concerned about health and safety issues at the plant. In 1974, Silkwood testified before the Atomic Energy Commission about her concerns.

On several occasions, Silkwood discovered that her apartment was contaminated with high levels of plutonium. The highest concentration was in her bathroom and in a sandwich in her refrigerator.

Silkwood died in a mysterious car accident in November 1974 while on the way to meet a New York Times reporter and an official of her union’s national office.

2013 – Chelsea Manning
Chelsea Manning U.S. Army soldier who passed to Wikileaks in 2010 thousands of pages of military-related documents.
The disclosures included videos of a July 12, 2007 Baghdad airstrike and a 2009 airstrike in Afghanistan and U.S. diplomatic cable and Army reports that came to be known as the Iraq War Logs and the Afghan War Diary. In news reports, Manning said she released the documents “to show the true cost of war.”

The material was published by WikiLeaks and its media partners – The New York Times, The Guardian and Der Spiegel — between April 2010 and April 2011. Publication of the leaked material attracted worldwide coverage.

Manning was court-martial in July 2013 and ordered to serve 35 years; but, in January 2017, President Barack Obama commuted all but four months of her remaining sentence.

2013 – Edward Snowden
Edward Snowden, a computer professional, created the biggest intelligence leak in the National Security Agency’s history in 2013 when he released classified information without authorization.

Snowden’s disclosures revealed a number of global surveillance programs, many run by the NSA and a global alliance of intelligence agencies with the assistance of several telecommunication companies.

Snowden is reported to have said that he couldn’t allow the U.S. government to “destroy privacy, Internet freedom and basic liberties.”
Shortly after the release, the U.S. Department of Justice unsealed charges against Snowden of two counts of violating the Espionage Act of 1917 and theft of government property.

Snowden reportedly lives in Russia after having been granted asylum by the Russian government in 2013.

And let's try not to forget... 15 Mar, 2022 12:34 PM

Julian Assange denied permission to appeal by UK's top court
"American prosecutors say Assange unlawfully helped US Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning steal classified diplomatic cables and military files that WikiLeaks later published, putting lives at risk.

But supporters and lawyers for Assange argue that he was acting as a journalist and is entitled to First Amendment protections of freedom of speech for publishing documents that exposed US military wrongdoing in Iraq and Afghanistan. They argue that his case is politically motivated."

Maybe you might want to rethink your comment based on evidence ????

Yes, as I've said Russia's invasion is completely wrong, but so are Western wars. It is a two way street.
Our illegal wars good, their illegal wars bad ????

I think that is called hypocrisy.

(Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another or the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. In moral psychology, it is the failure to follow one's own expressed moral rules and principles)

Not one case shows we cannot speak out against our governments! it only shows people that had leaked secret information and had been bound by NDA's within contracts. None of them had been civilians talking out against their government.

Cannot see what the case of Karen silkwood has to do with it. Not in the slightest. Sounds unreal due to her finding plutonium in her flat on several occasions. Wait what, she found plutonium that last for 81 million years on one occassion then went back to find it again several other times instead of never going back to her flat ?

Also sources state that Silkwood performed a routine self-check and found that her body contained almost 400 times the legal limit for plutonium contamination. Considering she worked at a nuclear facility that she had health and saftey issues about, that would explain her body having been contaminated.

Well no wonder she crashed her car then.

People always try to find conspiracies(especially recently) in things that are so simple to explain.

Last edited by bishtop, Tue, 15 Mar 2022 16:10.

Quote from Scawen :

But as we do say occasionally, a server can only become full when someone first joins an empty server (or starts a server of their own). Then the next person needs to join a server with only one person on it. Maybe we should give a medal to such people, because then it's so much easier for the third person, because he doesn't have to join "Billy No Mates" who actually isn't some weird loner but probably a perfectly well adjusted individual who just happened to be the first person to join a server.

There always has to be a first and a second person, before a server can get busy.

This is what i've always stated too, in the past i have gone onto one of our s2 server's which had been empty, then after a short while it does soon start to attract many more.

Quote from dfgjkl :

just my opinion



https://t.me/warfakes/1201

The telegram channel and telegram itself has long known for the place to spread misinformation and has been for the past 2 years.
Not one post on that channel shows any evidence and is the same as listening to what is said on the chan boards.

Quote from Lotesdelere :

On the powerful russian TV Pervy Kanal, Vremia TV show, on Monday evening:
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1503446891014537222

Live broadcast is suddenly being cut. It's not allowed to think different than the official line.

That confirms what i've always believed, there's many brave(really brave) Russian people who will speak out regardless of the consequences to themselves.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

You are more correct than even you think. It's really a global issue........

We, the people, need to say enough, She was incredibly brave to stand up the way she did, that's what we all need to do to stop ALL wars, they are generally only focused on the elites financial interests and we are the ones who get to suffer and die to support their financial ambitions and desire for control.

Just pointing out that criticising the West's warmongering tends to produce the same result.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/julian-assange-denied-permission-to-appeal-by-uks-top-court/PCJ74L742O555LOAOLVS4MJU5U/

We can speakout against our governments and not have to fear harm.

Last edited by bishtop, Tue, 15 Mar 2022 11:28.

Quote from dfgjkl :

And i ask same question why Zelentsy is being jew doing nothing about banderlogs.So who is realy in charge? clearly not Zelenzy. pupet mupet who is he?

Yes i get that you not against rus ppl.

What makes you think zelensky is not in charge ?

Also does your media show stuff happening like in the following video

https://youtu.be/tOYxFe5P4N0?t=80

Quote from dfgjkl :

Имелось ввиду другое по англицки как то не так.Товарищь из UK аргументирет Зеленский еврей как он может быть нацистом? а бандерлогское движение в почете и нацистская идиология времен 2й мировой.

What i stated was why would Zelenskyy be a Nazi, why would he take the ideology that killed his grandad and great uncle along with many more of his fellow people.

Just in case i have not already made it clear, i am not against the Russian People, in fact, there is a lot i admire about Russia, especially the contributions to art and culture. I just believe that Mr Putin has started to lose the plot(his mind) recently and is acting irrationally.

I do not think that Russia should become westernized as you would call it, because that takes away identity, but this is not about making Russia more western, its about stopping the actions of a dictator who is acting the sovereignty of another country.

Last edited by bishtop, Sun, 13 Mar 2022 13:11.

Quote from Ales_M :

Thank you. Did some laps yesterday on my new whell and i loved it , way better then g25 i had back in the days..

What wheel do you use now ?

I used to have the G25, but now use a G27 but i am looking to get something a little better though, something with direct drive Force feedback

Quote from Ales_M :

Hello , its time to play some lfs again

Welcome back

Quote from Temych :

There are indeed many nationalists and even Nazis in Ukraine

Considering Zelenskyy is Jewish and had family members killed in concentration camps, you can rest assured he is not Nazi.

Also we've been supplying Ukraine weapons since the attacks started and rightfully so. The excuse of the possibility of Ukraine was going to join Nato is invalid. Its something that takes many years to do, ask georgia.

There was a battalion called the Asov Battalion whom some held views like that of Nazi's, they had been a volunteer non offical battalion, they had been disbanded and some had split into different battalions.

I had even wondered if even Putin had been fed wrongful intellegence, as he was so adamant that his forces would be welcomed with open arms by the civilians and seen as hereos which has not happened and is instead is the opposite. Or was this just to try and legitimize the war.

Maybe those around him being too scared to be honest with him, which we've already seen happen with other matters.

Quote from UnknownMaster21 :

World War III chance has been increased ( although very, very slightly, but increased anyway )

The thing is we cannot let the threat of WW3 to allow such acts to happen. You must think further down the line, whats next ? Nato countries which then we're threatened with Nuclear Weapons ? , whether it escalates or not, we need more of a backbone

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Quote from Racer X NZ :

FFS, could we all agree that this war (like most others) is completely wrong and could we please look at talks to stop murdering the innocent for the sake of global politics ?

Sorry, my bad, it's all about money isn't it.

I totally agree with you 1000000000000% , War can never be justified. I say the same about the wars our nations have been with also, even though its off-topic.

Quote from dfgjkl :

you mean this? https://t.me/warfakes/1012

Il reply to this over a few post so i can give replies to each of the statements.

The first one is the most simplest.

Why would you keep patients in the hospital rooms knowing that missiles have been raining down.

Patients had been moved to the basements as they have been in residential areas.

also look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-NC-QOhhv4

Also propaganda is exactly that, a statement made with no proof.

It wont take you much searching to see children dead and bodies of civillians everywhere. Id advise against it in most cases but look until your hearts content on what is really happening.

Last edited by bishtop, Fri, 11 Mar 2022 19:23.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Do you look at my posts ??

Let's try to see what I've actually said shall we, please.

Your post said...

(Scawen you given the best and most logical discussion on this topic. Il be honest and don't care if dfgjkl agrees or not , but i think he just shows how well Putins propoganda has worked.)

And then...

(If you actually understood what i had replied to scawen, it was kind of in defense of dfgjkl)

And I said that...



It's all very pointless but you do seem to be attached to being right. Which is a conversation I seem to have often with uninformed people who can only see their their own point of view.
Their are two sides to this conflict and I strongly suggest that you try to understand this fact.

I always take a look with an unbiased view to get a conclusion. I personally have proven a lot of what Putin claims to be fake, and so have many others.

If you look at my post regarding the Asov battalion then you will see the times i have shown that one neo-nazi separatist group operated in Ukraine, Putin's twist on this, is that the Jewish man in charge of Ukraine is a neo-nazi and so is the government.

You can always expect propaganda within a war, but it should not be used for starting a war. Putin started this war and not Ukraine, so its obvious which is in the wrong.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Grow up, there are two sides to every conflict, propaganda is a two way street.......

Seriously me grow up? Are you saying that Putin's statements are true? I don't even care if this gets me banned but you're really a clueless person whom always chats a load of blabbering giberish that no-one can make any sense of.

If you look a few post up you will see that i have disproven one of the propaganda post. I get facts from Non state and Non government funded sources, you have no idea who i am or what i do or how i get information.

If you actually understood what i had replied to scawen, it was kind of in defense of dfgjkl and to say why he has the view he does.
You may be one of the very very few people who side with Putin but most do not.

Putin is now saying that Ukraine had been seeking Nuclear weapons, yet Ukraine had Russian Nuclear Weapons up until 1991, also Putin is accusing the US of supplying Ukraine with chemical Weapons, which will now be an excuse for him to use them.

The first Russian state was founded in the year 862 while Kyiv was founded in the year 482, so he cannot use the excuse of Ukraine always being a part of Russia

Last edited by bishtop, Fri, 11 Mar 2022 18:55.

Quote from Scawen :

No. I don't think any war is OK. You are the one saying that killing people is OK.

You also sound like Putin, as you answer any question with another question, instead of actually giving an answer.


Well, do you or don't you? I am losing the ability to take you seriously now.

I'm going to unsubscribe from the thread because I've had enough here.

There will not be an agreement between someone who thinks killing innocent civilians is fine, and someone who doesn't think killing people is fine.

Scawen you given the best and most logical discussion on this topic. Il be honest and don't care if dfgjkl agrees or not , but i think he just shows how well Putins propoganda has worked.

Quote from dfgjkl :

So you think what happening in Ukraine destroyes Donbas last 8 years was ok?

I am Russian but that is not necessary mean i live in Russia.

Putin's separatist destroyed Donbas the same as putin got his forces and separatist to attack Hospitals and schools and residential buildings at the moment.

Please don't confuse us of accusing the Russian people when we're meaning the Russian forces/army.

@Racer X NZ

You need to word your sentences a little better, its Putin doing the wrong here, and when you say Russia, it can come across as blaming Russia as a whole. Many Russian people don't agree with what is going on, and those that do agree with it are most likely under the illusion given by state media.

I can tell you for certain that the Russian people are decent, and not to blame for the actions of the dictator in charge.

Last edited by bishtop, Fri, 11 Mar 2022 18:32.

Quote from dfgjkl :

Yes its two different people.figured out.This does not justify me in any way for throwing in misinformation regarding these two persons. Nevertheless that doesn't make this video any less fake in my opinion.Theres many fishy moments and atleast 3 more videos of this same person.

The reason you believed it was real is because its what you're told. This is the same as with the majority of the lies Putin spreads.

Answer me this please. Mr Putin claims that Ukraine is run by Neo-Nazi's, yet Zelenskyy is Jewish and had family killed in death camps. How can the Nazi claim make any sense?

Also ask yourself why Putin has banned non state media and access to facebook and other platforms, its so you do not see the truth about what's going on in Ukraine. Bombing of Hospitals and schools and civillians, and also of civillians arming themselves to help repel the attacks.

Last edited by bishtop, Fri, 11 Mar 2022 12:13.

The following link is a good analysis of the War on Ukraine, and shows why Putins attempt's of justification had quickly been disproven.

https://youtu.be/FQ4hvLqNfqo

A video showing a few of the protest from within Russia and from Russian's outside the country.

I believe its important for Ukrainians to know that many Russian people do not agree with the war.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-60645236

Quote from kongle :

obviously, first of all i have no problem posting whole mpr ( i tought this footage was enough because other time we just going in straight ) but i'll try to upload it anyway as asked so. second i have 0 feelings and nothing against any other driver. i love this game and just going in servers for regular race i don't wan't to know anyone, i don't want to be anyones friends in races. it's just me whatever. but when i see some people ruining my races (with crashes, stu*id things, toxicity) it gets me raging. i hate when i go races for fun for relax and some stupid kids getting my way. (dido, you know how i always argue with toxic players because that's just way i am, i can't sit around with them) that is reason why some kids hate me and when you vote ban me they instantly accepted without any reason. i believe that day i had no contacts no nothing, just regular racing. Third and most important. you saying i am driving into others, my style is crossing lines etc etc.. my attacks 90% of the time is in rules. i always try to race within rules. yes i agree i am aggresive racer in attack or defense. but 90% of the time i don't doing it dirty way. i am not dirty but aggresive. i love this way of driving. keep my position at any possibilitys. i have lot experience to know where and how to defend my line and how and where to attack. of course we are human not bots and mistakes happen. like this above. you know on MRC server most players are new. dont know rules, dont know how to race, and when you race them and they make mistake, they blame it on you. i love to start from behind the grid (i like overtaking and not boring race) so when you regulary overtake these guys and you forcing them to make mistakes, when following or when attacking etc. they start hating you and spread toxic shi*. it is what it is. i personnaly don't care any of this. just wan't to spread my feelings about racing overall. i dont support your oppionion about me being dirty, don't know attack etc. etc. whatever. last but not least. Hard racing in lfs is hard to find. fortunately i've been with some racers who i raced hard with. laps after laps and after laps. (somhow incident were not happening ) and i enjoyed every second of them. i can name them but its not necessary. but calling me all that above that you mentioned (DIDO) is just wront and lie . with regards Makharashvili

whole MPR link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/157GSFB5c4jsmRR3HLUvO5A1WslZUsJrM/view?usp=sharing

As i said, its the bigger picture, its a look at all your races to see how often it happens. You closed him off by trying to take the line he was on, you should of stayed on your line. On its own, yes it is a race incident but when things happen often/occasionally then its a problem.

I can confirm that DidoBMW in real life competes in motorsports and he is very good at it also, he brings his passion and skill into LFS also, if you race cleanly, believe me when i say he is a great teacher and all he wants is good clean races and he loves anyone that challenges him cleanly.

Last edited by bishtop, Thu, 10 Mar 2022 14:47.

With FBM on blackwood i used a gamepad for around 6 years and managed to get into mid 1.12s, when i changed to using a g27 wheel i ended up getting into 1.11's, but found that i had to use very little FFB.

Quote from Dido bmw :

By opening such a post on the main LFS forum
it is good to present - everything objectively

you should write that it was not your 1st foul on that day.
and you've been voted banned - I don't have any administrative rights

if 10 drivers voted to ban you - it was not my individual matter

I am writing again - personally I have nothing against you
see you on the track

True, and hope all is well for you

Quote from Scawen :

Thank you for clearing that up.

I was confused by the fact that one of the guys (who look different from each other anyway) was called:
Панасюк Ярослав Фёдорович -> transliterated as Panasyuk Yaroslav Fedorovich

While the captured soldier is called Astakhov Dmitry Mikhailovich

So that's not really the same name at all. Just having a similar length beard and a bit of grey on the chin does not mean you are the same person as every one else with a similar beard style.

The website that he linked is a known propoganda website, basically spreading and accusing the same as Putin does.

From what i have seen, Ukraine allows the POW's to call there families and feed them well. With everything that each captured soldier has said regarding the information they had been told before deployment, it confirms everything that we've been told about the propoganda within the Russia State Media

Quote from Aleksandr_124rus :

I did not ask you how things are with the society and the law in your country. I asked - how it should be according to you? At different times in different societies there were the different variety of laws, and their existence is not an argument. In the 30s there was a law in Germany that Jews are not people, and therefore they can be killed, there was such a law, did you think it was right? If not, then I don’t understand why you wrote how it happens in your country. An appeal to the law is not an argument, just like to public morality. If you didn't answer on my questions, why should I answer yours?

I honestly think we've both misunderstood each other, its not just about law its about morale's also.

Quote from Dido bmw :

Have you come here to seek justice?
You should show the entire mpr. not a snippet that only shows the incident. (which happens everywhere and to everyone)

You didn't show the entire mpr - because everyone would have to see what you do beforehand.

You are not a ferpley driver - you make at least a few contacts with other drivers in each race.

Your little skill - you replace only using an air tunnel or blocking

I don't want to pursue this topic here - but I have decided to comment on it.
1 collision can happen, 2 collisions can happen
Conversely, if you foul and cause deliberate accidents in each race (even an Angel will lose patience)

My advice - eat as fast as you can and what skills you have.
you replace your skills and thinking during the race only with the use of the "gas" pedal
therefore, in 98% of races you participate in, it ends in at least a collision.

I will also refer to the ban you received on my servers
during tournaments with prizes.
You were doing exactly the same as I described before, your willingness to prove that you can win - coupled with not having any kind of thinking.

Your driving style repeatedly crossing other drivers' lines
caused by a total lack of thinking during your attacks
that are doomed to accidents in advance - and only the thinking of other drivers can help you avoid accidents with you
If every driver thought like you - You would just be a Troll on the track.

And I am sorry to write this - but these are the facts
focus on not endangering other drivers with your mindless attacks, eat as fast as you can, use racing lines in which you are able to master the car.

Later when you get it right - start looking for good speeds and wins.
As of today, you do exactly the opposite
high speed (draft) + your mindless irrational attacks
they only cause collisions.

Personally, I have nothing against you, I like racing with you
Someone - he wrote wisely here - in motorsport you have to think
with each attack (you always pay for the damage whether it's your fault or not) to win you have to think for yourself and others, today you have a problem with thinking for yourself.

and believe me, I know what I have been writing about for 11 years, I have been practicing real motorsport and taking part in international leagues.

You know that i trust you 100%, i've raced with you for years and like to believe that i know you on a personally also.

The one thing that i've learned over the past 12 years of running teams/servers is that the full story is never given in one replay, its over many races that we then get a true picture.

@Kongle

Its always better to race clean and know what is around you, this happening once or twice(closing him off) may be a mistake but when it keeps happening, it then becomes a problem.

Quote from dfgjkl :

In the video description his name "Lieutenant Colonel Astakhov Dmitry Mikhailovich begged for forgiveness in a press conference after he was captured, saying he was under the impression Ukraine was under the grip of a fascist regime."

Now google it "Панасюк Ярослав Фёдорович" Here is first link https://lugpost.ru/baza-prestupnikov/61298-panasyuk-yaroslav-fedorovich.html

Its not even the same guy, look at the attached photo. Following the link you posted which directs you to a facebook profile. That guy has a receded hair line(bald apart from the side and back of his head(1st photo). Where as the guy in the youtube video does not have this(2nd photo).

Nose is totally different also, the site you linked is a known misinformation website.

The following link is the Offical Ukrainian website for Russians to find captured or search for those KIA,

https://200rf.com

If wanting to view from Russia i believe you have to either use a VPN or use their Telegram page

Last edited by bishtop, Mon, 7 Mar 2022 22:40.