Quote from Aleksandr_124rus :

How then can we fight racism, ban it and it will disappear by itself? Do you really believe this is how it works? What I know is that many people, purely out of curiosity, or out of hatred for a regime that bans beliefs, begin to pay attention to those things that were banned. The Forbidden fruit is sweet.
In the Soviet Union, all sources of information except Soviet propaganda were banned, so many began to tune their radios to foreign news radio stations and began to believe them. This is how bans work in practice. When you start to forbid something, it is very easy to get carried away.
Left liberals first talked about human rights and freedoms, and now they are banning other people and ruining their cayers, perhaps soon there will be laws for this too. J.K. Rowling canceled, accused transphobia in the Harry Potter book, singer Lana Del Rey canceled, accused anti-feminism because of her songs. Do you think it should be like this? Or should more be allowed? Or less? Why? By making a distinction between what should be allowed and what should be prohibited, and wherever we do it aren't we making an arbitrary and unreasonable distinction?

Racism is banned/illegal, at least in the Uk , and no it does not make it disappear totally, it does force it into the shadows. You cannot discriminate someone due to race or religion in the UK

There are movements/groups that promote it but usually either in the shadows or they mask it with a different agenda

Are you saying that racism should not be illegal or banned ?
Its possible that i'm misreading what you're saying as you don't seem like that type of person

Last edited by bishtop, Mon, 7 Mar 2022 22:12.

Video showing a Russian Soldier that has been captured stating that they had been under the impression that Ukraine had been under facist power which he had realised was not the case.

https://youtu.be/nAvV8jSEpVs

Not sure if already mentioned but the feature that i like in LFS that is/was not so easily used/available in the other sims is the Chat feature. Its been a while since i've been on AC or Pcars but the last time i had used them, i had to download an app to get a semi decent chat feature in-game

Quote from Snoop.DriftEra :

Youtube already saved us from suffering by removing dislikes. Now when i say NO to war supporters under their videos i can't see how many of us say NO. But i don't feel safe, and my suffer continues even more. There's two sides to every story.
And let's be honest, "Russkiy korabl, idi na huy!(Russian battleship, go f..k yourself!)" for some people sounds offensive too. So i vote for freedom of speech. Let's hear both sides and see the ratio.

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Twitter is offline in russia atm.

Peacefull people in Melitopol (Ukraine) potests against armed invaders:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xOlU3Lpcgb4

Heres another one from Kherson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=886GLfYIvpA

Quote from Snoop.DriftEra :

Youtube already saved us from suffering by removing dislikes. Now when i say NO to war supporters under their videos i can't see how many of us say NO. But i don't feel safe, and my suffer continues even more. There's two sides to every story.
And let's be honest, "Russkiy korabl, idi na huy!(Russian battleship, go f..k yourself!)" for some people sounds offensive too. So i vote for freedom of speech. Let's hear both sides and see the ratio.

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Twitter is offline in russia atm.

Peacefull people in Melitopol (Ukraine) potests against armed invaders:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xOlU3Lpcgb4

I am all for freedom of speech, but freedom of speech has always had boundries. swearing and criticizing others is something that we should be able to express, using racist remarks to another is not protected under freedom of speech and should never be.

Stay safe and well

Quote from UnknownMaster21 :

Russia could easily pick those up and make those as no longer exist. According bombards, whole country is then as one...


...or is there even something more deeper? wars, conflicts, and situations always contain hidden keypoints, only to be seen much much later, if at all .

That's why there always occurs something... odd

Well what about the RNU (Russian National Unity) which is a Russian Neo Nazi party/movement group that fought on the Russian side for Donbass in 2014.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity

You cannot define a country or government based on a select group, the same as we cannot define a countries people by the actions of a dictator such as putin who is in control of them

I have noticed that many Russian people are leaving to go to Finland. I don't blame them, its a win win, they manage to get out of putins control, and also get to go to a beautiful country

Last edited by bishtop, Mon, 7 Mar 2022 16:52.

Quote from UnknownMaster21 :

Yeah that was yet another one of mistake what Ukraine had made... and western propagand hiding it away.




But how big this faction is? And even so, it falls on yet another actual excuse. Why no nazis are shown to West?

And even so, in 5 years plus, whats the situation is now then?

I've seen reporting on it, il see if i am able to find the links to the vice news video.

if i remember correctly their had been something to do with one battalion called the Asov battalion which is a volunteer battalion and does not represent the offical military or government

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

Another accusation was debunked

https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/ ... orms-feature-nazi-imagery

Also Zelenskyy is jewish, so surely you're not accusing him of anything to do with being Nazis

Last edited by bishtop, Mon, 7 Mar 2022 16:17.

Quote from dfgjkl :

video 5 years ago from a Ukrainian YouTube blogger, debunker of fakes about the Nazis in Ukraine.With subtitles
https://youtu.be/_tJphAe9h0w

Is it also Zelenskyy that he accuses of being Nazi or is it certain groups within the government?

I had assumed that it was certain groups at first due to Zelenskyy being jewish, but recently it seems that Putin accuses the ukrainian government as a whole

I'm a bit late in on this topic, but if you go to our forums you can get an admin to look at the incident and act accordingly

https://mrclife.com/mybb/portal.php

With attacks still happening during the agreed ceasefire so citizens could leave the country, Russia has now offered evacuation routes into belarus and Russia.

https://www.itv.com/news/2022- ... -ceasfire-putin-zelenskyy

Quote from SamH :

You think you end racism by silencing it?

As if it was as easy to end it, it's about protecting others from the suffering. There will always be racism/racist, but at least they're pushed into the shadows/background.

There is less racism now compared to pre-1965 when they brought in the race relations act in the UK,

Quote from UnknownMaster21 :

Unfortunately, free speech is complete myth. It was never really allowed, and never will be.

Free speech should never be an excuse for any type of hate speech, otherwise it allows things like racism ect

Quote from Aleksandr_124rus :

Personally, I agree with SamH

Player from screenshot certainly deserves some kind of punishment. If I were an admin on this server, I would give him a ban for at least a month. But as I understand it, we were talking now about restrictions on all servers. I understand that LFS is your game. And you can set your own rules here who can say what and who can't. But the more such restrictions, the more limited the freedom of speech we all have. And I believe freedom of speech is a good. Because I live under a regime where, unfortunately, freedom of speech is not considered a good. In our country, for example, a person can be imprisoned for reposting condemning Nazism because there was a swastika in the post. If you write down in internet "putin is evil" out that you can be put on jail for insulting the authorities and given a heavy fine. If someone goes to a single picket with a poster he is detained by the police. I understand that you think that there is a big difference between this and what is happening here. But in our opinion, we rightly impose restrictions on this player. And Putin, from his point of view, rightly imposes restrictions on us.

And in my opinion, free speech needed more as possible to keep to keep the overton window as wide as possible so that no one is afraid to express their opinion. Unfortunately, the modern left-wing world does not think so with its cancellation culture. As well as authoritarian and totalitarian states.

Free speech is not there to defend words like "what a beautiful sky" "what a lovely lady outside the window" freedom of speech is there to defend things we don't like. Insults, obscenities, beliefs that are wrong from our point of view. Why? To not limit our mindset. So that we can choose any words and beliefs.

I am absolutely against what the player says in the screenshots. But by restricting access to him, we rather confirm his position and not argue with it. From which he can conclude that he is right.

I have noticed that anyone in Russia that post different than what Putin is saying regarding the War can face up to 15 years in prison, Our journalist have had to stop reporting in russia due to this.

Heres a video of how the good russian citizens are treated for protesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkWG2uBtdSs

For our opinions to matter or have any weight to them we must not act in the same way as those we're speaking out against. The racer/pilot in the replay was a projection of how Putin acts/behaves, and how he wants others to act or behave.

Last edited by bishtop, Sun, 6 Mar 2022 22:44.

Quote from Scawen :

Disclaimer: I am fully aware that the BBC is the UK's propaganda machine, although it is not directly state controlled. I feel this article is quite factual about the protests and is not pushing a viewpoint.

Totally agree with you, i would not usually take something printed/published by the BBC as fact, but did find a few other independent outlets showing the same.

The following is video is "Russian police beat and arrest anti-war protesters", it should say say protester and not protesters for this video, but its known that this is not an isolated case.

https://youtu.be/nkWG2uBtdSs

Respect to the Russian people that despite the repercussions, still go and protest.

Nearly 4,000 people have been detained at anti-war protests across Russia on Sunday, rights groups and Russian authorities say.

I know that this is only a small proportion of the Russian Population but it shows that many good Russian people are also against the war.

slava ukraini

Respect to the Russian people whom see the war for what it is, and are not afraid to admit it

Quote from calders :

Hello all,
I am very interested in playing LFS in VR and I have all the hardware for it, however I can not seem to find a way to get LFS to work in Virtual Desktop. I can not use Link/AirLink as they have failed for me and do not work properly. Is there any way to use Virtual Desktop?


Cheers,
calders

I've got a quest 2 and use it the same as i did my Oculus CV1, follow the instructions in the following link, be sure to check the right information if you're using Air Link or the Fibre Cable.

There is no need to use Virtual Desktop

https://www.theverge.com/22218 ... reless-pc-vr-games-how-to

Directx update or try to install an older version of the driver

Quote from numbazZ :

I am happy to see huge support from other countries. I saw many rallies in many European and American cities in support of Ukraine, which gave me great hope and a warm inside, especially thanks to Georgia which understands us in this situation, also has been attacked in the past by russia and has territories (Abkhazia and South Ossetia) occupied by russia. Some Georgian soldiers came here in Ukraine to help us

Too bad russian people are zombified by their propaganda and lies on TV, they think that russian army are saving us from the USA, in another case they said that they saving russian speaking people from ukrainian nazis or whatever they came up with. Russia slowly becoming another North Korea. They don't even understand why many companies and brands leaving their country and why the ruble exchange rate is so bad right now. They crying that IKEA left their market yesterday and meanwhile their army bombing Ukrainian cities with innocent people, their soldiers dying because we are protecting our land and I am running to a shelter like 10 times a day because of a missile strike sirens.

I just hope this will end soon

We all hope it ends for you all soon. On another note, i really admire the strength and unity of the Ukranian people and soldiers.

Putins claim of the Nazis's in power is stupid. If hes insinuating that Zelenskyy is somehow a neo nazi, i know that Zelenskyy comes from a jewish family(his great grandad was in a camp).

Respect and stay safe

Quote from Vladimir_nose :

I live in Moscow, many people think that out of all of Russia there are the richest people here, but, alas, this is not the case, as in any other region, there are a lot of families who live in absolute poverty, paying for a new car or apartment for the rest of their lives , we are an oil-producing country, but for some reason we have huge prices for gasoline, which always grow, but never go down, look at the example of the Arab Emirates, how do they live there?
There is huge corruption in the country, at the moment it is perhaps higher only in Kazakhstan. The people are intimidated by the authorities, the police and other structures do not work to protect the population, but to intimidate.
Only a few people in this country are satisfied with what is happening, the rest do not want to live like this.
The government is playing, and ordinary people who want to live well, both in the Russian Federation and in Ukraine, suffer.

You've confirmed everything that i was taught over the years, it seems that while Putin has been isolating during covid, he has become a lot more irrational.

Other's don't even understand that elections are rigged and most, if not all political opponents to Putin end up in prison or worse, and anyone protesting or speaking out against Putin end up the same.

Respect

Quote from kongle :

Happy to see racers around the world support ukraine. unfortunately some "people" were praising russia.

Many of us support Ukraine wholeheartedly, i do praise the Russian people that had taken to protesting against the war.

Respect

Quote from Aleksandr_124rus :

Bishop does not say anything about being westerners. He just said facts. If his facts are not important to you, but the belonging of a person is important, then here I am Russian. Like you, I listened to Putin's speech in my native language.

For the entire first half of the speech, he justified his actions, including the reasons that I described here myself in the thread above. And more:

He said that he has nuclear and modern weapons, and if someone else interferes in this war, he can use them.
- Do you think this is the rhetoric of a mentally healthy president of the country?

He said that the Nazis are in power in Ukraine.
- And who are these Nazis in power in Ukraine? Is Zelensky a Nazi? Ridiculous. There have been no Nazis in power in Ukraine since 2015. And even in the presidential elections in February 2014, 2 Nazis, Yarosh and Tyagnibok, took part in less than 1.5 percent for two. In the parliament of Ukraine, 1st seat belongs to a nationalist. Where about 450 seats. It seems to be less than the European average.

He said that "a genocide is taking place in Ukraine against millions of people living there, and they rely only on Russia."
- an obvious lie. What other genocide of millions of people .. a person just went crazy if he really believes in it.

He said "military operation on the territory of the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic"
- But the Russian Troops are already in Kyiv, Kharkov, Kherson. (pic 1) The invading troops came from all directions of the borders of Belarus and Russia, including Crimea. He says one thing and does another. Of course, I understand that this is normal for Putin and everyone is used to it. But if someone does not understand, then this is not correct. It's not a "military operation" in a specific region of the country. But in Reality Its a War on the whole country..pic1 Shows the movement of heavy equipment like tanks, armored personnel carriers, and more. Pic2 shows the first attack on 24 February with airstrikes on the whole country against strategic military targets.

He constantly lies, and not only now, but all the time also to his people. But you prefer to pretend that nothing is happening. I don’t understand how it can be, is it some kind of special superpower like a filter in the head that don't allow you to see the lie? Or were you constantly forced to watch "Россия 24" and "RT" with spacers in your eyes like a clockwork orange hero?

I think that some might think that when we do not agree with Putin, we're then disrespecting the Russian people , which it is not. Russia and its people are something of beauty with a rich culture which has given us the best opera and best poetry, the west does not blame the Russian people and its quite the opposite, we feel for the Russian people.

Another point id like to make is that Putin say's his goal is to take down the Nazi's in power, yet Zelenskyy is born to jewish parents and members of his great grandads family died in the camps.

Respect to you

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Quote from LakynVonLegendaus :

No, it really doesn't. A few thousand years ago most people believed the Earth was flat, did it point towards them being right? Anyway, I don't really understand what does that have to do with anything I said.

Only naive, black and white minded people believe that somehow removing an individual from office is gonna solve anything. Putin, Bush, whoever,.. These people didn't fall on Earth from a tree, we as a society created them. These people and their wars are not the problem, those are only symptoms of a much bigger problem. That problem is ignorance. But sure, go ahead and continue with your naive attempt to put a bandage on a symptom, sorry for interrupting, I'll shut up now

Putin had stated that the Ukranian people would welcome him with open arms, do you see that happening?
He's now also said that european countries with US nuclear weapons should send them back to the US, now that is really comical, hes the only person that has threatened others with Nuclear weapons, so if anyone should have them removed its should be him.

Quote from BudynPL :

I just lost my lfs account it was named tom2000 https://www.lfs.net/profile/279389 and i don't remember the email nor the password. What do i do? i mean i can log in to lfs (the game) but the i can't log in to the site. I just need help.

My dad had this happen recently, if you contact LFS Devs they will be able to tell you the Email Address used

Quote from LakynVonLegendaus :

I am talking about the conflict in Ukraine, you are just not paying attention. Ukraine doesn't exist is some vacuum that is disconnected from the rest of the world. But that's really hard to explain to black and white minded people.

When the rest of the world, including many Russians say the same thoughts regarding Putin and the war then it points towards them being right

Quote from -verde- :

It's not the same thing. Chechnya was run by terrorists, who committed terror acts in Russia, as well as drug and human trafficking. Donbass, on the other hand, was trying to escape the neo-nazi aggression.

Answering the propaganda claims: I don't watch Russian TV in general for years, and read Western media besides Russian. I make my own conclusions as the result, they just happen to be the way they are and you may not agree to that, but that's my opinion and not someone's else.

Its just funny that you accuse Ukraine of the exact same things as Putin, while everyone outside of Russia(and many within) know that Putin's accusations are lies and are spread by the state run media channels to make it seem like the WAR is justified in the eyes of the Russian People

@Aleksandr_124rus

You seem like a really decent guy. Massive respect