Quote from aoun :

I drive a BMW, the brakes/clutch are hung, and the throttle is hinged from the floor.

But for a front mounted engine, wouldn't it be better if it was hinged from the top, making the throttle get pulled directly? Im not saying it is, im asking .

The BMW Mini is the same, bottom for gas and top brake/clutch. I much prefer the BWM style gas pedal, much more comfortable.

There is no direct connection between the throttle and the engine in a BWM btw. A computer sits between you and the engine, thats how the TC works etc.

Unkle - Rabbit in your headlights

So you are all happy for Scawen to piss around trying various DRM (Will ALWAYS FAIL) system trying to protect this crap.

You are also happy to have to re-download "private" skins and layout EVERY time you connect to a server. i can't wait.

So if you are on a server with 20 cars and your connection drops you will have to re-download 40 skins again (helmets and cars). That is pure BS.

<sarcasm>Scawen: We the undersigned would like you to delay S3 and implement crap breakable DRM like systems for skins and layout</sarcasm>

sigh

Quote from chanoman315 :

do you have a penalty for spitting bubble gums in the street?...

Public flogging

Please no DRM, encryption or other related shite in LFS to protect these files that are ultimatly pointless to protect.

People bitch and moan about the dev speed of LFS.

<sarcasm>Yes, lets add another really pointless feature and slow down dev/testing even further, that would be a great</sarcasm>

Is it REALLY a problem?

Nobody is charging money for their skin/layout so why else would you want the protection? If somebody that believes its required could they give a REAL reason why it is required and why all the dev work to protect them should be done?

Get Rich Burns Rally. Its discontinued now so normally on ebay for in the bargin bin. Was too sim like for many so had crap sales figures and got pulled.

Shame as master piece if you are hardcore sim fan.

Quote from DeMS :

Yes, that's the spirit, but you might want to recognize there is going to be truckloads of people who just exploits bugs in order to be more competitive (this does exist on each and every on line community, sadly), and what other way is better than not allowing them to have an advantage over people who does things right?

Again, yes, changing gears without clutch is quite meant to destroy your clutch, and the analogue effect on LFS would be to put clutch temperature or damage (once it's modeled), or any other measure to avoid people from driving in an unrealistic way without penalties.

Thanks to all of you who answered :]

Let them exploit. Each new patch just really pisses them off and they dont gain that much per lap. Just enjoy the fact you have more fun as you are driving in a realistic way

Quote from scoobyrbac :

It happens to me also..I'd be in first gear at full rev with clutch on waiting for race to start..I let clutch go and it pop's right into 2nd..sometimes when i shift into 5th it goes down to 3rd gear..When i have the "automatic" or semi-automatic on I'd be in 2nd getting ready for it to go into 3rd and it shifts down to 2nd. Something's wrong with the tranny in the car's and its kind of annoying.

You have auto gear change selected. No automatic system will change when YOU want, so if you manually change and have auto it WILL change to the gear it feels you should be in.

Just select manual and do the gears yourself. If you dont have clutch use auto clutch, not auto gears

HTH

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

You know there's a new Bauhaus album out soon, Woz?

Yep, tempted to get. Only just got "Mask" recently. Not hear the album in nearly 20 years, forgot how good it still sounds

Also just got the recordings of the radio shows Pete Murphy did with Trent Reznor

Bauhaus - Muscle in plastic
She Wants Revenge - Red flags and long nights

Sir Walter Ralegh sails to the Americas: It can't be that far.

I still don't understand WHY they need the overhaul. Nobody has explained this yet.

The cars are the cars they are. They represent cars from the 80s, and they are good representations of the era.

What we need is MORE cars not the same cars with a slightly different look but same feel as that would be a pointless waste of dev time. If people are asking for different look and different feel they that would be NEW cars, much better idea

Quote from DeMS :

Yes, that's what I meant, thanks :]

Oh, and there is a way to model gearbox behavior in-game, and that is, induce Clutch damage (or clutch temperature) to those cars that are operated this way, so they would make sure they did it the right way.

Obvious exception of that would be the situation that Woz posted (which as far as I know, it's not common in racing situations).

The technique I stated can be used in a modified way, called flatshift. It is not used much due to the damage it causes, mostly just drag racers use it.

For this technique you force the stick out of gear without the help of the clutch and then start to force into gear without the clutch. As you hear the teeth grind you dip the clutch just enough to drop into gear and then quickly release the clutch again. All this is done with your right foor firmly planted all the way down. The time saved is not worth it for the damage though for circuit racers, hence mostly a drag race technique, at least until you get into the BIG power cars with auto transmissions..


I have used H pattern and 3 pedals since I started LFS back in 2003. I started with Actlabs shifter and pedals then moved to G25 when the Actlab shifter bust. I have always driven "properly" even though you could exploit the gear shift system and you could be faster using the exploits.

The benefits of driving right are that each time LFS got more realistic I didn't have to change a single aspect of my driving. The recent clutch update is a good example. In the end I hardly noticed a change, apart from the inertia, while loads around me bitched like hell

Last edited by Woz, Sat 8 Mar 2008, 00:19.

A classic worth the fight is "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" by Robert M. Pirsig. A love it or hate it book that is worth the read if you like to contemplate the different aspects of humanity

I found "Lila" (his second book) too much when I last tried to read it 15+ years ago. Might give a try again soon now I am in the head space to try it again.

Currently reading "Philosophy in the Bedroom" by Marquis de Sade, written in 1795. Makes you realise how little the taboo and hidden side of humanity has changed in 200+ years lol.

Last edited by Woz, Sat 8 Mar 2008, 00:22.

Quote from GobLox :

I've purchased a handful of ring and pinion sets and concerned myself with transmission gearing ratios as well. Off-roaders are more involved with gearing ratios than the on-road scene; which is not to say it isn't important for cars as well. I've never purchased-by, or cared how many teeth are on which gears. I've never seen it even mentioned except in over-the-top tech articles that are concerned with how to fit some absurd ratio into an existing platform.

The Ratio style listing for gearing ratios is very appropriate.

Considering percentage is all you are concerned with in the fuel department I'd say the choice they made there is fine as well. Most fuel gauges give readings in Percentages. Either way works I guess, race teams probably wouldn't go by the gauge when estimating fuel use so much as taking difference of fuel that had to be refilled. Six of one half dozen of the other. Want to estimate a figure? Estimate it back to liters; they give you the total tank volume. LOL

The trouble with the current gear option is that its just too flexible. In reality you might pick gears by ratio's but then there will only be a few ratios you can pick.

You will not be able to adjust by 0.0001 steps like LFS. Guess that was more I was getting at. So if they are in ratios it should work on teeth internally and work out the ratio for display, that will give realistic options and steps

Quote from DeMS :

Putting the gear stick into a gear without pressing the clutch pedal at all should cause the engine to stall, with some damage and heat to the clutch.

Actually it is possible, once moving, to change gears in a car without use of the clutch. You need to be off the gas as you force the car out of gear and then you just need to rev match and the stick will just slot into place.

Quote from Lateralus :

I'm not sure I agree with Not Sure.

I am not sure you are sure you agree with not sure

Quote from Technique :

I bought a Buttkicker a couple of days ago after seeing a review on SRT. I hooked it up and it doesn't seem to work with LFS at all. I was hoping I could set it up to vibrate the seat slightly at idle and much more when the throttle is opened up. But I get absolutely no rumbling/vibrating effects at all from the thing.

It works with some dolby digital demos and some dts demos I happened to have on my PC which makes me believe it's hooked up correctly. Perhaps LFS doesn't generate low enough bass for it to work properly??

If just one person could tell me whether this thing works or not with LFS I'll be able to sleep much better tonight... I did e-mail their tech support but I have a feeling they've never even heard of LFS...

Might be a lack of bass. Put on some Drum and Bass playing in media player and see if it kicks in. Then use the graphic to cut the low freq.

Should give you all the info you need.

Not sure if LFS will generate lots of low freq. Can you tune in control panel for the freq it kicks in from?

+1

There are various things like this. Gears should be set by number of teeth on the cogs etc

Iraq War I: We need more oil now.
Iraq War II: We still need more oil.

Quote from DeMS :

I would rather prefer it to be as following :

On-line races :
Indicators enabled/disabled via server configuration

Off-line races :
Indicators enabled/disabled by user EXCEPT on hot lap mode, where all should be turned off

This way, people would choose the server that fits their skill level the most, and would solve some other trouble as well.

Rather than an indicator of engine damage, I would prefer to see some smoke when the radiator is blown or some analogue effect that would tell me that the thing ain't going fine.

To complete it all, it would be a nice touch if after the race, you would get a report of what has failed or what degree of damage did every/most/most important parts of the car get, to improve people's driving.

You can hear engine damage, why have a guage that is improssible to have IRL.

Use your ears

Oh well. Looks like the release has worked well...

All 2500 copies of the special limited edition $300 pack have sold out and copies are appearing on ebay for $1000+

So from sales on those alone Trent has made 2500 * $300 = $750000.

That is before all other sales are taken into account.

Radiohead just went off half cocked on their one with 160kbps mp3s etc.

Vista64, isnt that the same as Vista32 but with an extra 32 reasons not to upgrade

lol

Darts appears to be helped with a drink. If the average pro darts player in anything to go by

This harks back to hardcore mode again where people should be forced into Shift F mode during a race IMHO.

As a server option like the No reset option.