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Woz
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Quote from Lateralus :Well, in my defense:

So he was technically correct, while I was practically correct. So I'd say we tied. If anyone objects, pistols at dawn.

Actually English is not the main language in the world, probably Chinese but I have no idea what is the correct version there That one matters though as they have a population of over 1 billion

Quote from JO53PHS :What is a billion in Australia lol

No idea about the West Island as I live in NZ. I know the flags look similar, just that one star difference

TBH, I have no idea about what is the correct version in NZ. Only lived here 3.5 years and never had to use Billion etc in any meaningful way. Here it feels that everything is a mix of UK and US so all bets are off

Anyway. I think that is enough of that interesting sidetrack

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Woz
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Quote from Lateralus :Um, no. That isn't true at all. A thousand million = one billion. A million million = one trillion. This is the case everywhere, except for a few silly places which don't use a base 10 number system.

See exactly how wrong you are here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trillion

BTW. The UK officially is the larger version but most people now think in the US version. As I said. It depends on what country you are from.
Woz
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Quote from Stang70Fastback :Woz, you're doing it again. I think 90% of the people here realized he meant Farenheight - and what does it matter for the other 10%? The point was that it was VERY hot. That's all that matters. Stop nitpicking - you're just being a smartass...

And you know what - maybe it WAS Celsius - in which case you've just made things complicated for no reason. If it doesn't matter - don't bother arguing it.

Actually it does matter. You see the world is more than just one country.

Temperatures, speed etc are all measured in different units. Even the gallon is a different amount in the US and UK. Or a billion has very different meanings between US and UK, US is 1000 million while UK is 1 million million. So adding units to a forum that can be read around the world DOES matter.

If McD had heated the coffee to 180C then yet that would be their fault. But as 87C is less than my kettle heats water to I would consider that a normal temp for a cup of coffee as would most other right minded people.

I could say I drove at 100. But that could mean 100Kmh or 100mph, one is a speed that will cost me my licence and the other I can pass a police officer here at and not get pulled over. Units DO matter otherwise people assume.

The point I was trying to get at is that 87C is temp you might expected a freshly made cup of coffee to be at. Because the drink is made with HOT water. This is a well know fact, even for very stupid people.

I actually can't believe that a judge would actually side with her and not have punished her for putting other drivers at risk with her act of complete stupidity. I hope that nobody here actually believes is OK to put a cup of coffee between your legs and drive.

This thing is I live in a country where it is still OK not to be PC. Where you can speak your mind and most people do not get offended. A country when you talk direct and not have to bite your lip and sugar coat things. This is a GOOD thing.

PCness in the US means that an illegal imigrant can live, work, get a credit card and mortgage and get all the benefits of the country but not pay taxes etc. Here they find these people and kick then out.

I am sorry if you have been too wrapped in cotton wool with PC BS to be able to accept that
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Woz
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Quote from Linsen :Besides atlantian is 100% right, of course. I mean, anybody knows that there's more truth in large bold red letters than in small black ones -- It's the same with cars and speed.

lol
Woz
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Quote from gezmoor :That's the result of Fly-by-wire throttles and ECU managed Fuel injection systems. To be fair though even CV carbs do this, as they will only open the fuel flow up to the levels as dictated by the rpm of the engine, (as they're vacum controlled). Whereas good old flat slides are literally opened as much or little as you open the throttle.

A bit like the original version of the Airbus, a computer was programmed to only allow what were considered "safe" combinations of throttle, flaps etc, thereby limiting the dynamic envelope of the plane. Ironicaly it actually caused the death of a whole plain load of people in South America when the plane refused to accept the pilots inputs, (to their full affect), and so the plane crashed in to the side of a mountain rather than missing it.

And like the old airshow one that "landed" in the trees that they called pilot error

The fly by wire works off 3 computers made by 3 different manufacturers, each given a spec to implement. The 3 comps then vote on every input and decide what can and can't be done. There is no manual override as far as I know.

Bloody stupid really as sometime you need the pilot to take an "unsafe" risk that might cause stress damage to a plane to save lives.
Woz
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Quote from Jakg :She was suing because McD's coffee is heated to 180 Degrees, and that it would be just as good (but take a tiny amount more time to make) if it wasn't at such a ridiculous temperature - rather than fix this (i.e. 150 or 130 degrees) they simply labelled it "caution - hot" and let the media think she was some sort of fool who was suing because her coffee was hot.

I take it you mean 180F (87C) as it is not possible to boil water to 180C.

However you look at it. Coffee is known to be hot because you use hot water to make it. I never understeed WHY they had to label it hot.

The woman was a moron though. Lets face it, she put a HOT cup of coffee between her legs to hold it WHILE she was driving. She actually deserved to get burnt and then she deserved to have her licence taken AWAY because she is actually too STUPID to have a licence in my books

Thats all well OT though.

As for TC. I don't believe that any of the current LFS cars apart from the FZ5 and BF1 should have it currently. But as new cars come in it will depend on what they are as to if they should get it.
Woz
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Quote from Stang70Fastback :I just looked up major cars sold by major manufacturers in the US, and EVERY car I looked up is listed below (so I didn't omit any just because they DIDN'T have traction control.)

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The fact of the matter is most cars DO have it. Maybe it's not the same for you overseas - but over here, it is very common. Those aren't even the high-end cars or sports cars. Those are common, everyday family sedans.

I get the feel the US market is very different than places like the UK. From what I know a high proportion of cars sold are auto where as most in the UK are manual and TC is far less common or an optional extra.

The NZ market is different again in that most cars we get as most are imports from Japan and most are auto. I laugh at the young hoons in their auto WRX, why get a car like that with a slush box
Woz
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Quote from dawesdust_12 :And I hand them out like... ... ... a whore hands out sex?

Nope, they review the data and if it is a blatent wreck people get warned or banned. I thing there are a few hundred people now with complete bans from the CTRA system.

That said you have to be willing to miss a race to file a report so people only report when the wrecker deserves it

CTRA & ProRacingRoom have been the best servers for clean races I have found.
Woz
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CTRA servers keep track of all drivers and allow reporting of blatent rules breaking which leads to permie bans. They are woprth a look
Woz
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Quote from Sig_ZA :Thanks people!
I knew I was right.

It's a pity that some racers feel that they should ban/kick other racers just because they think they are right without even getting any input from the racer they want to kick.

I really try to accomodate the blue flag where possible, but it's not always easy trying to help they guy lapping you and to stay on the road.

The trouble is that many people do not understand race rules.

1) They assume every lap is a hotlap, as others have pointed out, so they get p'd off if they are slowed on a lap.

2) They also think you have to pull over when under blue flag, again wrong.

If you want good racing where people understand racing rules look for CTRA servers. Although avoid it for a while if you are not confident with your driving. That said the entry server is GT, GTI racing so is a good introduction
Woz
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Quote from atlantian :oh, sure, i messed around in an FF before, and i have been racing an FF lexus for a while, it's a hassle to "drift" in

I hate modern cars. They damp the throttle to stop you using weight shifts because it makes it easier for muppets to drive them around town. Good old safety Nazi's at work.

Even my BMW Cooper, when I had it, was not really that direct on the throttle. Far too damped. You could be really brutal with your foot movements without too many negative side effects etc.

While if you lifted off quickly in my old Clubman at say 100Km/h you would feel the jolt. Instant reaction to even the smallest throttle movement. Great for balance control but shite to commute and drive around town
Woz
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Quote from atlantian :*sigh* i know that, i am trying to say, it can't change the slip angle on the rear wheels, and on the rear wheels i mean, modify the angle(line-car) from the rear wheels, pivoting the front wheels...

okey, woz, it's cool that ur correcting me, but that is just a wording problem, now, it's:

You have never driven an old Mini then

The engine has so much inertia coupled with a car that is so light that you DO have that sort of control over the car. You might not have the same fine grained control as a RDW because the power comes from the other end of the car but you CAN change the slip angles of the rears from you input on the trottle.

There is a reason that the Mini was such a good rally car back in its day It even spanked most RWD at the time.

As I said before, it is all about weight transfer and using that to manipulate the car.

Think about a RWD. If you push into far enough into oversteer and then quickly button off the weight dumps forwards and you will actuall oversteer more until you slow enough and the tires bite again. In this situation you have manipulated the slip of the rears without using the cars power, just weight shift.

Car control and manipulation of grip is more subtle that what you can do just pushing the rears into and out of the circle of grip
Woz
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Quote from atlantian :neutral steer is NOT drifting
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that's what i have been trying to explain.

btw, why do you guys visualize a static diagram when you guys are thinking about drifting? it is not what it looks like at one frame, you can make it look like drifting, but by the sound and action of the car, you can tell that it's not drifting, you can't do long sweepers, drifting is long held slides(not done by inertia).


Actually if you read back in this thread I say that FF is not drifting. I do not class it as drifting.

What I was correcting you on though is that you CAN change the slip angle of the rear wheels in an FF car with your right foot, as long as you have a car that is sensitive to throttle balancing, unlike most modern FF cars.

So argue away ALL you like. On the statement I picked you up on you were WRONG, plain and simple.

If you still do not believe this I recomend you go and learn some more on car dynamics because your knowledge on the subject appears to be lacking considering how forcefull you are trying to be with your arguments.

No, big shouting red letters does not make you any more right BTW.

So to recap. YOU CAN change the slip angle of the rears in an FF car using your right foot. If you don't like this fact go and change the laws of physics and then you can be right

Woz
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Quote from Mattesa :Kinda odd that it uses H-shifter though.

Not really. There are GTR spec series that still use H boxes so it is valid. Also it was given H as a means to balance the cars
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Woz
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Any ideas what has happened to it? It's been down for ages now
Woz
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Quote from Stang70Fastback :Not really. A human being cannot continuously modulate throttle to the right and left front tires in different amounts, OR apply the brakes individually to each tire. You seem to be stuck on the idea that no system is better than a human, but that is simply not the case. The fact of the matter is that even the best driver in the world will have a much easier time getting a FWD car up a steep, snowy/icy hill WITH traction control than without it. I agree that people should be able to drive safely without these systems, but they are nonetheless useful in everyday situations even for those people who CAN drive.

At the very least, there's nothing wrong with a system that makes it that much easier for you to accelerate on a snowy road without having to fight with the throttle and steering.

I have to ask, what has driving in the snow on roads got to do with racing.

Quote from Stang70Fastback :Obviously in LFS people enjoy this challenge, but the fact remains that in most cars in real life, these systems are not only present, but successfully reduce the number of accidents on our roads. A Subaru with VDC can be put through a much more aggressive series of evasive maneuvers than one without this system. Period.

I think you are overstating that TC is present on MOST cars a huge amount. If you look at spec sheets for various manufacturers you will find that VERY few come with TC and most of those will be optional extras.

Just noticed you are from the US, the place that let a moron take McD to court when she burnt herself by putting a hot coffee cup between her legs. So car makers might fit more TC to minimse the risk of court cases (Not a US bash, apart from your legal sytem that is )

Quote from Stang70Fastback : To quote Jeremy Clarkson, "This system can make any driver look like Michael Schumacher."

And this is why it has no place in LFS, a game of driving skill not throwing a car into a corner and letting TC take care of the problem
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Woz
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Quote from Eclipse2000 :Ok ive been trying to code my insim for two days now and it stilldoes nothing can someone just show me in like screenshots how to code some buttons/Actually show word on the Ingame Screen!

Thx, i know its alot of work but it will be much appreciated

There are a couple of threads already on buttons etc. Look the recent threads started by Sun.
Woz
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Quote from Matrixi :Sorry mate, I guess lfsforum doesn't list all the posts from the beginning then. I don't recall seeing your posts when I was active here tho. Never really posted much at RSC until lfsf moved to it's own server, RSC was far too anti-LFS back in 2002/2003.

Anyway, the point I tried to make. If you knew me from my movies that I used to post here in the old days, you'd know that I can handle driving a car and wouldn't be asking for a realistic steering lock "to make it easier", like I presumed you hinted in your previous post. Simple as that, no offence meant.

PS. You can catch up to my movies here and here.

I took a break for a while when I moved from UK to NZ and had to wait to get life sorted here before LFS Look like it only shows the last 500 posts in the search

I am one of the non-drifters that understands the need for more lock for drifting. That is why I raised the poll about a drift oriented car a while back that would allow the more "extreme" settings required by drifters.

The people that spout the old "If you can't drift with the current lock..." don't understand.

I would prefer that the drift related setup options are kept for certain cars though, not global. I has taken so long to balance the current cars that I would not like to see that messed up with exploits etc. Also for the reason of stopping people catching mistakes that given race type locks would not be caught.

Also I am sure the drift community would prefer an FR car with the power of the FZ5 than an XRT with 45 lock
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Woz
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Quote from atlantian ::doh:...
why is noone listening to me and trying to find holes around my words!?!?!?!?!

you can't change the SLIPAGE of the rear wheels with the THROTTLE of an FF. or do i have to reword my definition again?!?!?!?!?

Actually you can. Its all about weight transfer. Button off a FF when you are already in oversteer with grip at the front end (It is possible to have oversteer or understeer in a 4 wheel slide BTW) and the rear will unweight more so oversteer more. Come on the power and the weight transfer is reversed thus giving more grip at the rear.

That said, you need to have a FF car that is sensitive to weight transfer on the throttle, many modern cars are not to make it easier for muppet drivers. My Mini was VERY sensitive to weight transfer from throttle input though.
Woz
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wrong driver or the ram you added was rated at a slower speed.

Take out the extra ram and see what happens. If you mix ram speed your memory will ALL fall back to the slowest speed and that will effect you performance.
Woz
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Quote from ajp71 :If, however, you want to be involved in the driving experience I'd strongly recommend a manual.

Yep. Manual is the way to go. I would also say get an older car without the electronic shite if you really want to play with a car. My old Mini was so responsive to movements of the right foot and that gave you very delicate control over the cars balance.

Most modern cars appear to damp the throttle so when you lift off you don't have that exact control over the balance of the car.

Quote from ajp71 :Even better though is the muppet I know who shifted down a gear by accident the first time he drove a sequential race car because he was used to his slushmatic road car and then to compound matters he panicked and changed gear again sending bits of engine flying everywhere, the engine had 14000rpm on the tell tale (and it was a 5 litre V8 ).

eeek, very costly mistake
Woz
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I could have lived with monthly fee or I would have accepted a core "demo" and then paid for cars and tracks but as they want both its a no go for me.

I can see that you will be forced into getting the new tracks when released because when released they will be popular and you will find it hard to get a game on the tracks you have.

The other sticking point is that the ONLY servers you can play on are their servers, run in the USA. You CAN'T host you own servers etc.

I don't get why they just don't up the subscription and make all new content free. That would be appealing to many IMHO.
Woz
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Quote from sun :ok.

its fun the problem solving but my insim app keeps timing out and thats NOT FUN !

infact its p****** me off because its been doing it for months. I have a great clue that it might be i have a prblem in the code in the NCN packets.

does any one know ?

You will soon learn that programming P***** you off a lot because there are always bugs and problems in code.

Just wait until you start trying to protect against idiot users pressing the wrong buttons at the wrong times or using your program in ways you never expected and hence crash your code

tic-tac-toe, as mentioned by others, is an idea starter.

You dont even have to worry about render of the game at all, just try and make 2 computer players play against each other in memory data structures. Let them play 100 games and display the results. If you can get that working you will have learnt ALL you need to problem solving and language wise and the insim app will feel less of a fight

Tip: You will only need to create the code for one computer player if your program is created correctly because you use the same code for both players.

TBH I would hate to be new to software today. I started back in 1981 when things were very simple. Nowdays people have to learn huge APIs to get anything done while they try and learn to program as well.

To my mind I believe anyone new to coding is better off learning how to throw together objects and manipulate them until they are fully comfortable with the language before they jump into complexities of game dev. That way you have a good ground knowledge that makes spotting silly mistakes second nature.

HTH
Woz
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Quote from rainspecialist :so i shouldnt use the + - shifter? any ways im thinking of buying an 86 they come cheap around here and there are many....well not that many around 4,000-12,000(higher prices are ussally modded)

You can use but you will soon realise its just pointless if its anything like most auto gearboxes

+1 on never buy a modded car. If it has been modded as most modded cars will have been through a harsh life. Better to buy a stock state car as it will be more reliable and mod if you must.
Woz
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It wont matter at all if he uses it. Give him a day and he will realise the sequental shift does not really get you anything, its still connected to a big box of slush and then leave it in auto.

I recently had a hire car with similar gearbox. Pile of crap. I switched to the sequential and found it was the wrong way round, as normal. Then within 300m I switched back and there it stayed in full auto apart from coming down hill where you could use engine braking. Yep you could switch through its 3 gears but why, they all felt the same.

Normal auto boxes are just crap if you want to "drive", end of story. The new performance ones might be better, can't say as never driven one. But we are not talking about a performance auto, just a slushbox with a +/- /D stick instead of the normal 1/2/3/D settings.
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