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Woz
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Quote from mikemav :Just wanted to chime in since this old thread came up in a search for "ivibe Race 07 & iRacing" or something like that, so I read up on the previous posts. I was curious if there had been any more development on the PC side so I enlisted google and landed here.

The iVibe creator has bitched here a number of times asking LFS to output a number of pointless bits of info. A number of people, myself included, have offered to develop the drivers required for LFS then he goes quiet.

I tried to get info from him about the so called vector forces. It appears to be the logical direction to go with the drivers and LFS outputs all the info to drive a full motion platform so a perfect match. He is more interested in quick bodges like what texture the car is on at any given moment so he can play some crappy effect which is just not the LFS way.

Don't hold your breath as I would guess he never gets the drivers done.
Woz
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Quote from danowat :Never said anything about mcfee, norton etc etc.

IMO, there is only one single AV program worth it's salt on the market, NOD32.

ROTF, no wait you are actually serious...

NOD does FAR worse than almost ALL AV systems out there and eats more system resources that most.

While it is one of the most popular it also means that malware and virus writers target and test against to make sure they can get past.

You nead to read some real world test. AVG (Nice and free and low system impact) ALWAYS places far far higher than the over priced system hog that is NOD.

Just check for yourself.
http://www.av-comparatives.org/
http://blogs.pcmag.com/securit ... re_performance_testin.php
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Woz
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-1 I can see where it would go and what nasty nightmare sounds you would be subjected to.

If ever implemented the client should have control over if they are downloaded. Mine would be off. Who needs all that disk space eaten with shite
Woz
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Quote from 510N3D :Honestly, i dont know what youre talking about mate

Im talking about a whole new class.

Sorry, thought you were asking for slicks on the current TBO class like loads already have, which is pointless as they are not powerful enough

I think and have said earlier in the thread that we need some RWD in the UFR/XFR class and that would be a great class then. Right power levels to be fun for slicks and no downforce
Woz
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Quote from 510N3D :well woz, you never know until you tried it and dont tell me you dont like it because you tried the slickmod once. Using just slicks is nonesense as well as using a bodykit and all the bling bling stuff on a normal day road car hatchback thingy (mostly without any other adjustments). That said, its not even sure if slick would really be needed but thats all down to the way (if there ever would be any) the devs decide to create such a class.

I dont know but i just cant stand this "well i dont like it because it would/ could be this or that, probably or maybe..." or "i hate it because there is/ isnt this or that feature or so..." (without trying it first or even discovering its full potential in the slightest after some practice) attitude, these days. But maybe thats just me.

You have been around LFS to know how online works. Be honest...

Do you use road normals on TBO setups as you know full well everyone else used supers? No, thought not!

When the BL track has the extra tarmac did you use it just like everyone else or suffer the 1-2 seconds it cost staying within the track bounds and hence lose all your races? Bet you did because we were ALL forced to before the track redesign!

Its just fact of life that people want to know they have the fastest car so they can compete. Its why tuning would be pointless, everyone would use the fastest settings.

If people want slicks why not create a set of baby GTR cars for their server like the baby UFR/XFR. The baby Rs are very popular.

The fun with the TBOs is the fact they are on road tyres and lets not forget the road supers can already hold well over 1G so they are already SERIOUS tyres compared to your normal IRL roads!

Woz
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Quote from BlueFlame :Not if you had a league or server that forced Road Tyres. It's not like they aren't visible to the naked eye is it? The guy has a point. Tuning a Ratio is far more complex to do to a road car than fitting slicks.

rotf, like 99% of server force anything at the mo. Most would be all open and so yes you might as well remove from the game.

The cars are just not powerful enough for slicks, they would be DULL as with them.
Woz
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To fix.

1) Salvage what you can then export into something that is not MS NOXML (Not open xml).
2) Uninstall Office 2007
3) Install OpenOffice or if you must Office 2003
4) Work without fear.

MS have made NOXML such that it is near IMPOSSIBLE to had edit anything. It is NOT safe and I would say avoid.

A great example is this. Create a spreadsheet and add a few values into cells. Now open the XML and find the values and change them. Now try to load the document and you get errors.

NOXML is created to protect MS not to be open. They dont even support the ISO standard they purchased and are going to give native support for ODF BEFORE the ISO OXML standard.
Woz
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Quote from master_lfs.5101 :I need help with c#! Where do I start learning? lol

Do you have ANY coding experience at all or are you new to it. If you are new a Dummies book is your best bet.

A quick word of warning. Be prepared to read a LOT of information before you can really do ANYTHING at all. You need to have the right sort of brain for development as well or you are in for a world of pain. You need to be good at lateral thinking, like more abstract types of maths (formula based etc)

If you get problems be prepared to step away and leave the code to read and re-read more books. You see many people here trying to learn and they end up asking for help on every tiny problem. In reality you need to actually understand what you are doing or you will not be able to do anything.

Finally remember that some bugs will not even be in places anywhere near where the code finally goes bang

Have fun
Woz
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Quote from Homeless_Drunk :I'm not arguing with you, Woz. I am just drying to debunk this myth that automatic transmissions are junk...a lot of people have this impression because they have only driven cars that are already underpowered and then slap a automatic transmission behind it and it feels like your trying to drive your car though milk.

Again, like I said previously...automatic transmissions would be nice ONLY if there was the correct car to put them in...I can't imagine how boring it would be to drive an automatic RB4 around BL1...

yep v dull
Woz
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Quote from BlueFlame :Just enable Slicks on the existing TBO class.... Simple.

ROTF, have you read NOTHING

Woz
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Quote from Homeless_Drunk :So am I...didn't I link to a shift chart for a 4L60E which is one of the most common GM transmissions?

Ever watch bracket racing?

Like I said, they have their advantages, and plenty of them, just not in the type of racing LFS is centered around...

The old "Powerglide" is still WAY popular with a large group of people so are a bunch of other 'slushboxes'...after all, it's really hard to install a transbrake a manual transmission...

That's why I said they would be great in LFS if they were coupled with an appropriate car...

Powerglides and bracket racing are all normally restricted to drag racing so yep, when we finally get a dedicated drag car give it a powerglide.

Show me a circuit racing league IRL that is BASED on or allows and people use auto transmissions against people who race stick and where people actually select auto over stick. (BTW I mean ones that have tracks that require both left AND right turns in the same circuit )

Again not talking gears that are computer controlled but slushboxes

Quote from JJ72 :I'll rather see the devs spend time making a LFS Hello Kitty edition, with gay spinning flowers flying all over the track and cute japanese laughter effects everytime you change a gear, it might actually have a larger target audience!!!

yay +1 for hello kitty ROTF
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Woz
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Quote from danowat :This is one of the things that annoys me about LFS, the uncomfortable realism, in some cases it's striving for ultimate realism, but in other cases it veers wildly of into the realms of fantasy, the infintesimal setup options spring to mind.......

Yep and I + others over the years have asked for really restricted setup options on the lower end cars.

Quote from danowat :As for saying the road tyres will become redundant if slicks were added, I don't buy it, it's almost like saying the UF1 is redundant because we have the BF1

Not the same at all because when there is a UF1 race people would not call selecting a BF1 fair.

What it means is that if the UF1 can have slicks that you will FORCED to use them ALWAYS when you are in a UF1 race or accept the fact you will lose every race by a HUGE margin. When was the last time you joined a TBO race and selected road normals over road supers? I am willing to bet you NEVER have becaue its pointless.

Its the same thing as old BL1 track where you were FORCED to use the tarmac that was off to the side before the S to flatten the corner for speed, even though it want against what was allowed IRL, because everyone else did it. If you didnt you lost every race.

Hope that helps you understand.

-1 slicks on current road cars.
+1 for far more restricted setup options on road cars as they would never have the setup options they have
Woz
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Quote from Dj-Aeri :I don't know why the "road cars" have racing parts but not wheels

So, in a mini we can adjust the gearbox final drive ratio (with a 4 poor gearbox), the ride height, the steering lock... and we can't put slicks? that's a nonsense.

What is nonsense is that if all the cars had slicks you might as well remove road tyres from the game as they would become pointless. Can you not see that at all?
Woz
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Quote from Homeless_Drunk :Sure it does...just not the type of racing LFS is centered around.

An automatic transmission is way more consistent than a manual transmission it can also be made to shift faster than any human can shift a manual transmission...

They do have their advantages, just not in LFS

We are talking about slush box transmissions here with kickdown as seen on road cars not multi clutched geared transmissions that are really just computer controlled gearboxes that change the gear and blip the throttle and dial in more rear suspension to keep the car settled.

lol
Woz
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Quote from Patrick v H :My shy opinion :P

I get the feel you have no idea what you are talking about or have NEVER driven the same car in both forms lol. Perhapse you have never driven stick IRL so dont really understand what a HUGE disadvantage a slush box actually is

If a slush box is optional most will use manual because stick IS faster, so you using a slush box you will be left in the dust and will NOT stand a chance at all... EVER.

If its not optional there will be uproar because a slush box has NO place on the race track.

How does that make for MORE COMPETITIVE racing.

This should be funny
Woz
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It would be a waste of dev time to implement.

It would take Scawen a while to implement properly and as soon as it was in the sim people would soon realise that a slush box is slower to accelerate, slower top speed, impossible to balance worse on fuel.

Look at ANY car specs out there and compare acceleration, top speed and fuel consumption between exactly the same model but only the gearbox changed. The auto in the BWM Mini for example adds 1 second to 0-60, does 25mpg instead of 30+ and has slower top speed.

Now factor in the weight penalty you carry for the gearbox and extra fuel you need to cover the same distance and you soon realise its as useful as a chocolate teapot.

If you dont want to change gear then let the computer do it for you. The only place it might be "cool" (sick) is cruise servers and I doubt Scawen will implement to cater to those servers lol
Woz
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Quote from Stefani24 :Maybe suggested.
It would be cool to have a "real" automatic, and not just lfs shifting the gears for you. I mean, no clutch allowed, and the more you hit the gas, the later you shift (drivers of real automatic cars will know what i mean).

Pointless. LFS is about racing and people do not use road like autos in racing because it is impossible to balance a car in a corner when you do not know when the car will shift on you.
Woz
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Quote from danthebangerboy :i have noticed that with auto gears, if cornering at higher revs, the car will 'stick' in gear at high revs, where it sounds like it should be changing to the next gear. It also does a similar thing coming off the grid sometimes. I will be in first gear, revs high, clutch in, the green light comes on and i release the clutch. the gears then go straight into 2nd and really sluggish for a second, before re-selecting 1st gear and off we go. After all that, all the other cars are well ahead of me. Is this a common problem and are there any possibilites what could be causing it???

You have to lift off the gas before you change in most cars apart from the big race cars

HTH
Woz
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Quote from Zyrez :Nope, thats what you wanted me to say, and now you just make me look bad.
Edit: So would you pleas stop taking words out of my mouth? Wasnt what i said

So here are your EXACT WORDS then

Quote from Zyrez :Well, i agree. I understand why some of you doesnt like cruise servers. But CLC. LTC and TC have been around more than most servers in LFS. We bring new people to lfs and making the game more popular. But.. all those never ending newcoming cruise servers. When do they stop. As Ash said in the first post its allways poeople who is either too lazy to make the money them self and doesnt like our so "unreasneble" rules, or its people who are banned from the bigger cruise servers and wanna teach us a "lesson"... with our own layout in a slighty modified way

I would hate if there was a complete stop to cruise servers on lfs, as its where i do my driving. But it would be nice with some kind of limit

As I said. You stated you have NOTHING against the "big" cruise servers BUT you want a limit on new ones. I did not miss quote you at all.

Or to word it in another way as I did. It is ok for me to run one but nobody else. I did not get you wrong at all

Sorry but YOU have no control over who can run what. If someone put out an open source cruise server its TOUGH. Means anyone can run one. Why should they not. MAKE YOURS better and you will rise up or stay as you are and get swamped out. This is how competition works. Adapt or fade away.

Stop bitching and calling for limits. Player demand decides who will race where.
Woz
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Quote from eight8acht :Am in a cruising Team myself. (one of the ones who are longer online than 1 year). And i think it's just a shame to have always threads against us cruisers... I just dont get the point. If you want to cruise... go to a cruise server.

IF YOU DONT WANT... PUT FILTER ON! (thats why the devs gave it to you) and stop spamming forum about why we should ban all cruisers and burn the cruise servers.. It just let me womit...

This is not what most of us are saying. The people vocal in this thread wanting cruise servers shut down appear to be cruise server admins unhappy with increased competition from other cruise servers.

As I said, I am not a fan but anyone is free to run whatever they want. (As long as its a legal mod) Look who is bitching then post again.

Quote from Zyrez :I did at all not say that. But if people cant stop complaining about it, what you suggest we do then?

Actually that is EXACTLY what you said. You are unhappy with other people apart from YOU running cruise servers and wish they would stop running them.

As I said before pot, kettle, black.
Woz
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Quote from Zyrez :Well, i agree. I understand why some of you doesnt like cruise servers. But CLC. LTC and TC have been around more than most servers in LFS. We bring new people to lfs and making the game more popular. But.. all those never ending newcoming cruise servers. When do they stop. As Ash said in the first post its allways poeople who is either too lazy to make the money them self and doesnt like our so "unreasneble" rules, or its people who are banned from the bigger cruise servers and wanna teach us a "lesson"... with our own layout in a slighty modified way

I would hate if there was a complete stop to cruise servers on lfs, as its where i do my driving. But it would be nice with some kind of limit

You post that after my last post.

Anyone is free to create any mod they want. Why should YOU be allowed to run one but nobody else is allowed to create a crise server.

I am not a fan of any of the cruise servers BUT I would never want to stop people creating mods for LFS no matter what they are.

You just sound p***ed off because other cruise servers mean players spread over more servers.

STEP UP and make your server better if you want more players. That is how competition works. If someone comes up with something better you will lose the players so keep yours fresh.

MODS: Can we close this thread of existing cruise server admins bitching and trying to close others down because they cant stand the heat?
Woz
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Quote from sun :SNIP

Pot, kettle, black.

I want to make a cruise server but so do others. Other people should not do what I want to.

ROTF
Woz
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There are NO cars in LFS with 900deg lock at the moment. The highest lock are many of the road cars that have 720 lock.

When you set controller lock in LFS it does not effect the lock in cars.

So set you G25 to 720 in LFS and in CP and then wheel comp to 1 in LFS. Now LFS will make the wheel turn match in ALL cars.

900lock in low end road cars has been requested and I believe is on Scawens work list although requires incompatible patch and new driver animations before it can be done.
Woz
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Quote from henrico-20- :sorry i don't realy know what you mean? easy english?

Scawen tends to add/remove what he thinks is right for the direction of the game. Case in point being auto blip aid was recently removed and caused loads of bitching BUT shows Scawen wanted more hardcore feel.

Slicks are probably NOT on the TBO because he KNOWS it means road tyres might as well be removed from the game because nobody will use them.

This request has come up again and again and again over the years and has ALWAYS been ignored.

Hope that clears it up for you
Woz
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Quote from Bob Smith :You're already playing his opinion.

lol so true
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