Quote from Speed Soro :

forget

Now we see true colours lol

I take it you have realised your setup/driving is to blame then as you are not willing to post a replay and setup to show us how when you drive right the clutch still burns.

Quote from Speed Soro :

People who defend this error is just doing nothing to contribute to development of the game.

Wahahahahahaha its not fair!!! (cry cry cry)

As I said earlier. If you believe its wrong POST A REPLAY AND YOUR SETUP!

I bet, as stated earlier, that your first gear is too tall and also that you slip it too much. You probably engine brake too hard as well.

Do you honestly believe that real drivers mash the controls as much? lol

Watch an aussie V8 drivers foot cam. In low gears it can take 2+ seconds for them to slowley feed in the power after a gear change. Most drivers in lfs believe they should be able to just keep their foot planted.

So come on then... PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS...

POST A REPLAY!

All the people that believe the clutch cooks too quick. Post a replay of your driving along with your setup.

I bet for most of you it will be that your 1st is geared too high, pulling away in wrong gear or you just slip the clutch too much.

I can take any of the GTR cars to the straight on BL and do 5+ full race starts from still through to 3rd back to back and still not cook or get any real temp into the clutch. I just don't understand how you do it.

Quote from luftrofl :

Edit: I'd like to mention that I really like the fact that the current clutch system really hurts those who can't shift properly.

Same here. Can't wait for all the other abuse type damage to get implemented

Quote from Dandy Dust :

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sigh.... Just learn to drive with mechanical sympathy. You know, like a REAL race driver has to.

Why is this still coming up. If you mash the clutch, drive with lead feet or otherwise do not drive correctly you will cause damage to your car in some way.

Quote from jasonmatthews :

Got to say I agree with you there mate. In the recent IGTC (FZR) race my teamate got hit, tried to recover, clutch burnt out. 6 Laps he had to wait on the side. He didn't do anything crazy when recovering. I have heard from alot of real life racers that there is no way a real clutch would overheat in less than 1 second..... It has seriously ruined alot of GTR races. I would be interested to hear from anyone who drives these cars for real if I am wrong. It's also the same with the SS cars. One spin and your clutch is gone.

A race clutch is not heavy duty at all to save weight in the car. A road clutch can take more abuse. Knowing that would you like me to come and show you how I can burn out the clutch in your road car in seconds? (You will have to foot the repair bill BTW lol)

Race drivers NEVER abuse the clutch or the car. Their JOB is to keep the car going for the race and if they need to nurse the car they will.

Devo - Whip it

The road tyres in LFS have far more grip than the sort of types that appear on most road cars. The grip is fine.

A great example is my crappy Nissan pulsar commute car. It does not matter how I balance the car I cant get more than 46Km/h before the tyres start to give going 3/4 of the way around full size roundabout.

Watch your replays, you might be too heavy with your right foot and that causes you step outside of the circle of grip.

NIN - I am becoming
NIN - I do not want this

Quote from GobLox :

I agree, on the road going cars there should only be a handfull of final drive ratios available and two maybe three (and three is a stretch) gearbox ratio sets available.

Even the race cars. The Aussie V8s teams at Bathurst are only allowed to select final drive ratios from a choice of 3 settings for example.

Quote from Gekkibi :

The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension..?

Quote from batteryy :

does movies from year 2000 count? if they do

Would do but the last one has not been guessed yet so that is still the active one...

I will wait until the morning (NZ Time) and then post the answer

Quote from Hankstar :

/me thinks "Re-Animator" (but not with any great confidence) ... is that Peter Weller on the right there?

Not the re-animator but it is Peter Weller in a movie from 1984

Clue time....

How many dimensions?

Wow, didn't think it was a hard one. Do I need top give clues?

The funny thing is that even the "believers" with their "supernatural free will" have NO free will at all when put in a real threat to life situation that triggers the fight/flight reaction, just like the rest of us.

Even the most passive non violent of us will use any weapon at hand and do what is takes to stay alive.

Anyone that believe they will NEVER kill no matter what is just fooling themselves. It is why self defense is a valid claim in court to justify killing someone. Sometimes you just have no choice and the courts accept that

Just shows how un-supernatural we are, just animals like the rest of the animal kingdom

Quote from MAGGOT :

Hate to burst your bubble, but materialism is nature. It is animalistic nature to achieve ownership; material possessions are an indication of power. Every single species on the planet has some form of heirarchy, determined by power - either by exchange, consumption or collection of some currency, or by display or threat of force. That is materialism, and that is nature.

Well put

Quote from AndroidXP :

On the question of free will as a supernatural gift, I think the combination of what has created free will - sentience & high intelligence - is just another asset in life's ultimate goal: survival. For us it might have created lots of questions about for example the reason of existence and similar, but viewed on a larger scale it was an ingenious step on nature's behalf of increasing survivability of a species. Suddenly we have no natural enemies left, besides maybe diseases and ourselves. And if we make proper use of our intelligence, even those should be no problem.

Yep, the most vital drives in human nature are...

1) Reproduce.
2) Make sure you stay alive to reproduce no matter what.

Once you have these coupled with the "super computer" that is the brain all things are possible.

Quote from Racer Y :

Like those friends of mine when experiencing something that they can't provide an immediate justification of it based on practical means will simply decide it's supernatural or whatever. And simply writing off something as non existent just because you can't measure it in the ways you have isn't too good either.
Sorta like walking up to a bolt and you have to loosen it, only you have a hammer. You can't loosen the bolt with the hammer, so you instantly conclude that there is no way to loosen the bolt. Period.
But in all honesty, apart from this thread, I really don't have time to ponder this. I'm moving!

I never write anything off but always look for what it is. Which is why I have been pushing Soma to expand on his beliefs so I can understand them. I want to understand his belief on souls and heaven to see what I make of them and so I can understand them.

Hence what might appear narky "Do animals have souls and what is the cutoff?". You see if animals have souls do they get to heaven and if they do does a main lion go to hell if he kills loads of animals. Remember we have the commandment "Thall shalt not kill". A male lion will kill all the cubs in a prode if it takes over so that all offspring is from him for example. That should be straight to hell no?

But in my 40 years of life I have not expereineced or found anything that is supernatural. Also nobody has proven there is anything supernatural.

There is even a guy in the States (Can't remember his name) that has $1mil up for grabs for anyone that can prove a whole range of stuff. He still has all his cash. This is NO proof for anything supernatural to date and it is not for people wanting to find it

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I am temped by a nice AK47 7.62 "hunting" rifle. Might grab one of trademe http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sport ... les/auction-147031462.htm

Only having a 5 round clip makes it a hunting rifle instead of an assault rifke here BTW lol

Last edited by Woz, Sun 30 Mar 2008, 08:42.

Soma... ANSWER THE QUESTION...

Are there a finite number of souls? If yes what happens when they are all used up and if not how does heaven not fill up and what keeps making them?

Also do animals go to heaven and at what level is they cutoff. If there is no cutoff then even the most simple "lifeform" gets to heaven?

If animals have a soul then are they not equal beings apart from just form?

Yep, insane film. Not sure if watched all. No real speaking but brutal industrial soundtrack. Not sure was many years ago I watched. The metal on the hand is what gave away

Here you go, with the next

Sigh

He means search the forum. Do you believe you are the first to raise smoke.

I hit the new post button and typed in a title of Smoke. It displayed a list of related threads and asked me to check if they already covered what my topic title was about.

Guess what, they were all on the subject of smoke in LFS, how to improve it etc etc etc.

But you decided to ignore that and just post in the belief you were the first to thing the smoke needs some improvement in LFS?

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=4231 This link for example talks about how the production of the smoke is wrong once you skip over the initial flame posts.

Quote from somasleep :

If all matter behaves according to natural law and if human beings are purely material it follows that our choices are also a result of natural laws.

You cannot have free will if everything is matter and all matter behaves according to natural law.

The brain is a chemical based device that drives the body but why does that stop free will?

So if humans have this "soul" you talk about what about other animals? Something like a dog must have? Mouse? Snake? What is the cutoff point and if a snake does have a soul does a snake go to heaven?

Crappy point and click but some great images from around the South Island of NZ. Too many images to post here but here is a small sample

Quote from March Hare :

It's a Japanese movie from 1989.

I have seen this movie but can't remember what the hell it was called. aaarrrgh

Edit: Might have it.... Tetsuo but not sure if Iron man or Body Hammer?

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I like anything where the people who created the music put something of themselves into it. It does not matter the style

Quote from somasleep :

I never said God controls us. Like you, I believe in "free will." But I recognize that free will MUST be supernatural for it to be truly free. If a man's choice to pull a trigger and murder is just the same sort of complex physics that causes a tornado to destroy a home then why get angry? Everything is physics and we are, I guess, observers of murders and tornados--totally helpless to change any of it.

Like you I believe I am a free being. Which necessarily means that there is something about me that is supernatural.

The overwhelming majority of human beings believe that there is something supernatural about man. Call it a soul or a spirit or whatever. So, it makes sense to believe that these supernatural qualities have always existed. It makes sense that we came from something that is very much like us. Something that can make free choices, something conscious--God.

Most people spend so much energy criticizing the idea of God--and there are many valid questions and criticism--but they spend little time questioning materialism.

Of course you can believe that a number of free beings have always existed. But to me the idea of a single free being from wich all other free beings came to be makes more sense.

The alternative is to believe that we are puppets and physics (quantum mechanics, chemistry, biology, chaos theory, etc...) is the puppet master.

...and please don't respond by criticizing the idea of God without first explaining how free beings can exist in a world view without god(s).

But I find that most atheistic intellectuals would rather jump down the rabbit hole by denying that they are free agents. To which I respond, "What is the point of you trying to convince me that we have no free will if I don't have the free will to change my mind and agree with you?"

I take it the "lower" animals have no soul then? Only man is supernatural, not animals? Strange because I have seen all the same emotions, fears and joys in the eyes of animals as I do in humans.

It is simple to underdtand there is no supernatural when you look at the brain. It is a super computer that can process complex problems and can re-wire and change its own structures to route past damaged areas of the body etc.

I almost lost a finger 20 years ago that required micro surgery. The finger has never "felt" the same since as they just reconnect any old nerves together but the brain re-wires around this and on the whole it now functions as any other finger I have. The strange feel comes from the fact the brain had compiled 20 years of experience about the finger before the damage so it always digs up a little confilt in results when it comes to that finger, it has some bad data

The brain also runs complex what if scenarios (thought) and has huge array of storage. Whenever you approach a situation it is pulling in all the required info from storage and playing what if to deal with possible problems etc. Your free will is what of those options you decide to act on.

As experience programs the brain that explains why we are all different, nobody has lived the same life.

I would argue that the number of people that believe in supernatural is nowhere near as high as you believe and is falling as time passes. And as for not questioning, I alway question.

Now we get to your supernatural view, lets call it a soul. Lets explore this a little

Is there a finite number of souls? If they are finite does that mean once they are all used up no more humans can be created. Does that mean humans can no longer get pregnent or does it just result in the birth of still born human bodies without the soul to make them work.

If there is not a finite number how are they created and when does heaven become full? Heaven will feel less and less heaven like as it starts to fill up and overcrowd. Or is that why the universe is expanding so make more space for heaven so over crowding is no longer a problem?

Then we get to the fact that people in cold environments can be revived from death hours after death because the cooling of the body halts the instant decay that starts at the pointof death. So does the soul wait around a bit to see if it might get thouwn back into the body or does it just leave and then get dragged back from heaven and hell if revived?

BTW: We react to murder because as we have free will (Our choice of actions) then most of thee time we have the choice not to kill. I say most of the time because anybody that has ever felt the full force of the fight flight response will know that you will kill given the right stimuli.

The way our society is configured though is such that we have decided killing is wrong (apart from some situations) and so people should use their free will not to kill if they want to live in the society. This is the same as the commandments from the bible. Its just the bible uses the fear of god to control while our laws use prison or death penalty etc to control.

The bible is just from a time when our current form of law and society would not operate so other "controls" were required.



BTW: As a side note. It is good this topic has not fallen into a slagging match but has kept a good tone on all sides. Something that is rare on subjects like