Quote from R3DMAN :

no1 wants my autograph

Thats because you threw a paddy and stomped out


Sim racing is as cheap as you can get for racing. You cannot find a better way to spend money if you want to get into racing. In the STCC the level of professionalism is top notch and the racing rivals anything I have ever seen on TV IMO. Sure it's not exactly the same, I would be stupid to think it is. It does relate though and the action is pretty close. There are alot of things that are missing (IE the 100's of hours spent preparing a car for a race) but the actual racing part is there, and every year the realism is getting better and better making for even more exciting racing.

Hop onto the CTRA servers, get into the second tier and you will see STCC style professionalism in most of the drivers in there. The action is the same in the second tier, just not as controlled as the STCC.

I am curious tristan why you though Jak could just race with a mouse? I thought the idea of the STCC was to promote it as a professional sport and not some little punk on his computer controlling a car with a mouse =P

Quote from SamH :

ooh can I have your autograph??

Only if I can have yours!!! :lovies3d: Your my hero in the STCC Sam!!!

Glad you enjoyed it! It is alot of hard work. Hours and hours of practice, not practice on getting the fastest lap time but practice to learn racecraft, on how to take away people's momentum while not leaving a gap, that type of training.

Then you step into the admin side. On top of the STCC is the CTRA which is much like the FIA is to F1. CTRA is working on expanding to sanction other leagues so it's not an elitest governing body. All in all there is alot of energy spent on making this a top knotch production that has fairness in mind!

I know Becky has a few more ideas up her sleeve with the production, so who knows what happens next =)


We do have a few real sponsors, the goal is to get a sponsor on every board and car IIRC.

www.simtouringcarcup.com =)

LFS User Account Name -- Viper93
Real Racer Name -- Chris Raemisch
Team (if racing in a team) -- UKCT
Race Number #-- 93 =)

Quote from anttt69 :

Thank you I will be good from now on.

I should hope so. That was not very nice what you did and a public apology would be greatly appreciated =) But have a chat with Doof and see what he says.

Quote from JTbo :

But why my clutch does not react like that?

Sure I can burn it when spinning when using auto clutch and being stubborn with throttle, but as I can see from clutch bar that clutch is half way engaged, I know that keeping it floored will fry my clutch. Spin those tires, don't slip clutch, I would say

Setting 1st gear to something sensible, like 30mph max works out too in street cars really well.

I think that would be a start =)

Everyone keeps saying 'but it doesn't feel right' well I challenge you to put a setup on your RL the same as a LFS setup and drive like most of you do and see what happens.

Everyone keeps saying it doesn't feel right, but thats not good enough you need some concrete data to hold up and say 'this is how a clutch is supposed to behave' I have yet to see anything significantly wrong with how the clutch is modeled. Perhaps a bit fast on the overheat, but I don't think it's anywhere near twice as fast.

But then how can I know? I have no car that can really relate to anything in LFS and I have not seen any data on how clutches burn =)

Sign me up!

Clutch heat is off, but I don't know which way it needs to go =P

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

There were also cars that cooked it in much less time above in the thread. SRT-4s have a heavy-duty clutch to begin with, and that clutch was seeing roughly 250ftlbs of torque.

Oh, and Chris's is black not blue :P

LFS is probably a tiny bit to sensitive in the road cars, but I have no hard data to back that up.

Yes I can safely say THAT was NOT me =)

The SRT-4's factory clutch is rated for over 350 BHP which would put it at over 300ft-lbs of torque. The clutch is made aftermarket by sachs IIRC. I do not know if that car was factory or not, but based on the way he was driving it I would guess he hadn't done anything to the engine and just slid the clutch out too slow =)

I don't know either if it's too much for the road cars. I haven't seen any data either.

Quote from danowat :

Yeah, but you are talking about stop/start driving, where the clutch has to deal with all the torque tranfser trying to get all that weight moving, of course, it's going to be MUCH easier to overheat the clutch in these situations.

I am talking about clutch overheating just through shifting.

I drove the RB4 and the FBM yesterday and the only way I could get the clutch to slip during shifting is if I used the clutch and refused to let off during the shift.

I would slowly wear the clutch during normal shift, which is different than the heating, but never had a problem with heating during normal shifting unless I had missed some shifts and shifted improperly.

There are two components in the clutch bar graph in F9 and F10. One, the yellow area is the actual clutch wear. The second bit, which is red is the wear happening because of overheating. When the bar is red you do not have 100% connection to the driveline through the clutch and the clutch is always slipping.

So far in any race I have been in this was by far the hardest race I have ever done!

Woohoo =) Was looking forward to this one

I think the hosting server crashed, we lost teamspeak too.

When the reports first started coming in when X-system was launched a good 80% of the reports were dismissed. Now we are looking at over 80% being accurate =)

I don't want to see it too easy for people to create reports, we will end up in the same place as we were when X-system launched. Flagging sounds good although thats exactly what the system does now, maybe a 1 click flag would be easier, who knows might get more people onto the website =)

She is enjoying life again =) What she is doing nobody knows :hidesbehi

Thank You! We are holding it up now but Becky was the one that started it all =)

While we don't want to see it and it shouldn't be happening it is a majority vote and the majority wanted to restart sadly =(

What they are doing is unsportsmanlike, not to mention immature and would get a good talking to by the admins if a report was filed =) Depending on the circumstances ofcourse.

Last edited by Viper93, Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:51.

Having lived in both the UK and the USA last I checked the average wage in the USA is over $37,000 with the average house price just around $200,000

In the UK the average wage is £23,000 and average house prices are just over £200,000.

Now taxes, thats a whole new story.

Sales tax
The UK has a 17% VAT(value added tax, IE sales tax)

The US has a national rate of 5%. Each state can add a % onto this and then again each county can add another %. I want to say average sales tax is around 6%


Income taxes and property taxes.
The UK has nationalized healthcare which consumes roughly 20% of your gross wage. There is also pensions coming out which is some more, then another tax that goes for general government spending. Add those up for someone making under £44,000 it's close to or over 30% of your money gone before it hits the bank. I believe it's $44,000 for the next tax bracket. There is also Council tax for home owners which is about £1200 a year depending on where you live so thats another 5% gone from your wages.

The US has a lower national tax rate and healthcare is privatized so you don't pay as much out of your wages. (IE the company you work for spends money for your wellbeing) Property taxes are around ?$4,000? now? I cannot remember off the top of my head.


There are many more things involved but if you add up all the different taxes the average worker in the UK is having 1/2 their money taken away in tax before they are handed the keys to their new car while in the states it's closer to 35-40%. This gives people in the states a better percentage of their wage for 'stuff' they also make double so the actual amount to spend on 'stuff' is double that of a UK person.

Quote from Niels Heusinkveld :

Current sims like LFS, RBR and rFactor with RealFeel, have far more advanced force feedback than our wheels can transmit back to us. It would be fairly pointless to improve the software side of the FF considering the lack of fidelity in the wheels. And this comes from someone who uses a G25!

Forgot about that

Quote from Woz :

The forces acting on the front wheel are transmitted up the steering column to the wheel. I doubt there is much that would neeed to change in the FFB code. On the whole each big physics change has improved the FFB because a better simulation of the car improves the forces detail on the front wheels

I wouldn't say for sure but any improvement in the physics will indirectly improve the FFB due to 'better' data for FFB calculations. This is assuming ofcourse that the FFB code is up to snuff to deal with the changes in the data input =)

I have a buddy at work who bought a set of pedals off Ebay here in the UK for a tenner with the pedals spiking. I just want to clarify the troubleshoot process.

1. Remove casing
2. Check for any loose contacts
3. Check for cracked leads.
4. If no fault found in wiring the pots are probably bad, replace as necessary with new ones that can be found on www.digikey.com. Use part number found on back panel and/or located on Pot itself. (296XD103B1N (or CT2265-ND for all the series)) Pot can either be glued down or stuck down with blue tack.
5. Once soldered back in place download the latest drivers from Logitech. http://www.logitech.com/index. ... d=411&selectedcid=320 (Click on your pedals in the drop down menu)

Replace cover and test =)

Guess you will find out when the patch comes out =) Engine inertia is changed too so they will rev differently ( I hope)

Everything you guys said all I can do is

There is a difference between UKCT and CTRA. UKCT has no governing body functions and is just like any other team.

CTRA is bigger than any one team and just because the people running it are from UKCT does not mean it IS UKCT =P

For this league I would step away from CTRA duties regarding anything ESport and would handle the UKCT National functions only.

I know why Dan has reservations about this league but what is concerning everyone else?

It's an auto kick. Because we cannot 'see' the context of how the language is used the system automatically kicks people and sends them an automated warning.

Don't worry too much, unless you start racking up a few a week :wink:

I will give it a closer look =)

UK league Thread

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=611378#post611378