Quote from Motordirex :

Wicked wicked wicked...reading that has made my morning. Love for the community, we need more of that(yes I said it ).

LOL [etals:] I definatly agree though =) Wonder who will come up with something else to do to give away a free S2 =)

I have never heard of anyone in any sim community giving away a game like this for no reason, wonderful =)

Quote from SamH :

Rayo, I get what you mean

On the simplest level (I imagine the devs begin shaking their heads slowly, every time someone suggests something they think is "simple")..

In a host config:
/mode=s2c
/league=STCC

In LFS, click "Career" mode, and all the servers running in career mode appear, and which league they're governed by.. those you have enough points for are listed in green, those you don't are listed in red.. you join and race.

It's actually quite appealing, when I look at it in the simplest of ways

Yeah I love the idea =) Lets hope there is a way for the SRA to be put into LFS in some shape or form, hopefully with Becky behind the till =) Maybe they could outsource it Banshee Studio's for a version of the SRA to be put into LFS =)

Quote from SamH :

Should really clarify that the "SRA" tag facilitates the additional car classes planned for the system.. the single seaters, GTRs etc. There are no plans to mass-govern anyone else's servers by deciding to be a governing body over non-participants

Hehe yeah, thats not even to say Becky is ready to do that yet, if at all =) But the foundation is there.

TBH I wait until the light is on to shift. I may lose a tiny little bit of accel but it takes away the pain of trying to watch the rev counter to see when it's going to be just before the red light comes on.

IF I wasn't switching between so many cars and setups during a week/day I could listen to the revvs but frankly I don't have the time to put in the effort when I could be concentrating on where my next brake/turn point is...

Quote from Vykos69 :

On Topic: I think, the stcc system is a nice league/ladder system but it is totally selfmade and additional, and therefor should stay where it is. Outside LFS. Else, the supportwork etc. for LFS crew would grow immense, becky prolly would need to get hired by LFS, it'll slow down development of LFS. etc. etc. This is NOT negative about stcc, it's just a realistic pov, and I also enjoy driving on stcc servers, and do hope becky keeps that stuff running.

I agree

This would be a tough one. If indeed the RSA software did get put into the game, it would open up a whole can of worms and everyone would be trying to get their mod into the game, no matter what the quality, turning in the direction of how RFactor is being handled with it's sub-par mods that most people usually wait until the first patch comes out to even bother trying it...

Becky has created and is in the process of creating an MMO type feel, at least to me, that comes from her experience in MMO's like EQ, to LFS while addressing the issues of drivers behaving badly by creating a sim authority that people can turn to when a dispute arises over someone’s driving behavior among other things on the book =)

(Everyone keeps using STCC, which is partially correct, STCC events are sanctioned by the SRA(Sim Racing Authority). The STCC sponsored servers use the SRA software to keep track of licenses, it could be said that the STCC is the SRA, but technically it's not and the SRA rides above the STCC, creating a governing body over the Logitech Sim Touring Car Cup. Basically the SRA is the sim version of the FIA to the STCC and who knows possibly other leagues aswell =)

Quote from Fordman :

Yer I run W and W17, but it just seemed to be an extra quiet night last night. Thought I was missing a patch or something

Hehe =)

Wait a little bit and everything will be back to normal. A new offical patch should be coming down soon.

screenie looks pretty, but all the stuff they mention on the right is nothing new to any race simulation.

I hope SimBin can think of something, the ISI physics left much to be desired. Not saying it was total crap but there are little things that I feel are missing. I am not holding my breath on anything from SimBin.

I like the idea of steam, shame it takes forever to get it running and even then I have issues.

Quote from Hyperactive :

As I said in RSC some time ago (link) I think that simbin is going for the sami-arcade ways. A bit more realistic codemaster alike product would fit perfectly into their scheme of things.

I can't see myself getting anymore interested about simbin's products, for the first 5 hours it is nice and all (oh, nice tracks and cars!) but then it just dies...

Haha yeah =) Thats how I see it too =)
BTW you know when the announcment is coming Hyperactive?

Neat program =)

Not entirely accurate but still fun to play around with =)

2 minutes and 7 seconds around Brands for a factory SRT-4 per the program.

Quote from Becky Rose :

It's usually the other way around anyway, computer game companies have to pay the rea world series to mimmick their league. Which is why most 'real' leagues are covered by companies that produce the most shallow games, like EA.

Now I just need to find away to sell STCC to the devs, lol ( Simbin wouldn't pay enough ).

Hehe =) give it time =)

Quote from Vykos69 :

Just to clear some stuff up: When Ian Bell was at simbin, released GTR1, I met him twice and we also talked about LFS. And all he said was: He wanted to hire the "guys" but they werent interested, neither in working with/for him nor in selling their engine. And IMHO that's just great to know

Haha that's Awesome =) I didn't realize they were approached by simbin =)

Quote from Gimpster :

Simbin was looking at the engine for their first real game but when it was not avalable they went with ISI to build GTR.

I didn't realize this either. Would have been awesome to see GTR with LFS physics =) Give it a couple more years and we will have something much better though =)

[quote=andybarsblade;409910][quote=Viper93;409876]The older evo's are not as fast as the new ones,

check again...
1/4 mile times
evo 1 = 13.70
evo 2 = 13.52
evo 3 = 13.35
evo 4 = 13.56
evo 5 = 13.59
evo 6 = 13.61
evo 7 = 13.72
evo 8 = 13.75
evo 9 = 13.27 (however thats a fq300 not a stock gsr 280 bhp)[/quote]

a 1/2 second is a big difference =)

The older evo's are not as fast as the new ones, still really fast though. TBH there really isn't that much of a difference but a couple tenths is still faster =)

Yeah FWD's always have traction problems at low speeds =) But if you get an engine that actually makes some good torque at low RPM it's workable and you can get a FWD to launch as hard as a RWD if done properly. Everyone thought I had AWD the way I was coming off the line last year.

http://www.albeedigital.com/su ... e/articles/0-60times.html

I use that site alot for factory 1/4 mile times.

Quote from Mykl :

I like the RB4. I chose it because my actual car is AWD, so I'm instantly comfortable with the car's inherent tendencies.

I like the at-the-limit understeer, and I like the "instantly stable" effect positive throttle input has on the car.

The only issue with the car is, like real world AWD cars, it has a tendency to eat up the front tires in a hurry if you're not careful. After 20 laps on a City sprint course they'll be bright red. But if you set up the car to oversteer while the tires are cool, close to neutral with a hint of oversteer when they're at optimum temp, then the understeer when the tires are overheated won't slow you down too much and may even allow you to be more abusive with the throttle later in the race.

Or if your really good with setups you can get the rears to overheat before the fronts =) Now thats a challenge during a race =) ( I have only managed it once in an STCC event) Thank you Hannu =)

Quote from andybarsblade :

give me a 2nd hand evo or impreza all day long, cheap as chips and rapid in all weather,

dont really car about drag civics ect doing 7 sec 1/4's cos there about as simular to a stock civic as an F15,

saying that a boxter s is abit of a rich guys girlfriends car to drive to the hair dressers in lol

LOL yeah the car is, but everyone likes a Porsche would you prefer another car?

06 S2000? Lambo Countach S? RX-8? Merc S500? 05 and older STi's? Evo's? (The new STi and Evo are wicked, I wouldn't stand a chance, but the older ones would have a tough time)

Sure you could bring the second hand car arugment out, then I could still say that bang for your buck a FWD for the same cost of a RWD or AWD car would have a better performance due to the fact you can use the money saved on the car to put into modifications =)


I wasn't saying with this that you can buy an OLD car cheaper than you can buy a NEW one, everyone knows that most cars depereciate over time.

TBH I would take an older RWD or AWD over my FWD for a track-day car, but then you run into problems of relaibility and wear. Yes the new car will have these problems aswell but nowhere near the issues an older car could have. Then you have the issue of daily driving, insurance, tax, and fuel. which in all probability a FWD will have the smallest issue in all those categories.


My reference to the 1/4 mile times was an attempt to show the ultimate performance a FWD could offer engine wise, I fully realize that those engines have virtually nothing in common with their factory counterpart.

Quote from andybarsblade :

yeah not many fast fwd cars, shows the limit of the fwd chassis

Well... I would say the limit that people think it should be.

In Speed GT and TC the FWD TC's were putting in laps that would have put them into the GT field at Denver last year.

1/4 mile times for civics and SRT's are in the 7 seconds with trap speeds over 180 MPH making potential for sub 7 second FWD drag cars.

Many people feel that FWD's cannot compete with other cars with different drivetrains because of how different they are to drive. Not saying they are ideal, but they can compete just like any other drivetrain, they just have not been around performance wise for very long and will need time to develop the driving skills and the cars to be able to compete with the best out there.

Already FWD's are edging closer with cars like the SRT-4 and the Super Mini. Giving a cheaper performance solution to drivers who love to go fast on a very small budget.

Example: 2005 Dodge SRT-4 ACR 2005d.............Porsche Boxter S
Price $23,000(including ACR package) ...............$53,000+ 58,000 as tested
HP 230 (in reality it's 270, 230 at the wheels) .....280
1/4 mile 13.8 (drivers have seen 13.6's)..............3.8 (Both by C&D IIRC)
0-60 5.3......................................................5.2
Top Speed 152 (revlimited) .............................166
60-0 110ft................................................... 107ft.
slalom 76MPH ...............................................73MPH
skidpad .96 ....................................................97


Then start talking about insurance. It cost me $60 a month for a 24 year old male unmarried. They wouldn't even consider me with the Boxter. In the UK I am looking at a slightly larger insurance bill but only due to me not having a UK license. The SRT-4 is classed in group 8 for insurance I believe.

Skidpad shows the SRT-4 cannot grip as well factory, but with the slalom shows that it can throw it's weight around better and reacts slightly quicker to a change in direction. This data is with the ACR suspension package, the non ACR SRT-4 while impressive in a strait line cannot handle as well as the ACR, but still the standard SRT-4's performance is on the top rung of the FWD market outhandling even the mighty type-R.

Numbers are not everything though, hopefully by the end of the summer I can either say that the SRT-4 will out-perform a Boxter S on a racetrack or not. My gut feeling is no, but these numbers say that they 'should' be the same with a competent driver. My car is finally in the UK and I am currently working on collecting the funds to buy a GPS data logger for my car for track-days at Brands, Snetty, and Castle to name a few I would like to get to. tires may be another issue though....

Last edited by Viper93, Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:47.

*post deleted due to the pointless arguments surround the OVAL VS. ROAD RACING discussion....*

Drag racing can be fun =) I have done it a bit in my car beating out a Roush Stage 2 Mustang and a C5 Corvette (don't ask me how I shouldn't have had a chance =)

Because they use a substance called VHT which is basically like liquid rubber the first part of the track is very sticky and is nothing like trying to launch a car on the road. Priniples are the same but the actual grip available is phenominol. For me the first 60 feet on street tires were done in 2.1 seconds alone.

I think thats the most fun drag racing... trying to get the car to launch as hard and as fast as you can without bogging the engine down, with a factory vehicle that is. There is so much traction available with just street tires it's crazy =)

Quote from andybarsblade :

http://www.letstorquebhp.com/4wd.asp

thats awesome for car performance stats

Shame they don't put american cars on there. My car would be at the top of the list for FWD's....

Joined UKCT

Cmon UKCT get some laps in so I can use your setup data =)

LOL I was under the same impression that the STCC side of things was tidly winks compaired to the Uberness of you servers =)

Quote from Bob Smith :

a) You may wish to get an idea of what the attraction would be. Fifteen people standing in a car park saying "now what?" would be somewhat amusing.
b) Whoever suggests the idea typically organises it, I'm not sure a 14-year old who starts spammy threads is really the best person. Sorry. Just there have been enough problems with 14 year old spammy types in the past...

Man Ben you took that personally =) 14yr olds are 14yr olds and you should only expect what you get and nothing more =) Nothing against young people but they tend to be.... flakey.... I think is agood term for it.

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

Yeah I could use a ride Chris.

Haha =) You wish =) I had to force myself to close firefox today after I had a set of SS brake lines and Hawk HP+ pads to go around. I also had a set of Energysuspension bushings in there to get rid of the wheel hop under hard braking. It was so hard to close the window =)

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Via York? You've got a fast car, right? Shouldn't be too much of an issue for you then.

I could do but the fuel goes rather quickly when WOTing =) If you got a train to oxford I could come pick you up. The car is fast enough (0-60 in 5.3 from Motortrend I believe, not bad for a car that cost me less than 15kGBP)

Will be fun to see a LFSer out there running in RL =) Should be a fun day, cmon you know you all want to come =)

Quote from tristancliffe :

Number 41

At the moment our qual/practice session is scheduled for 1025 - 1045, and our race is the last one on the list at 1745 for 15 laps. However, poor turn out might mean our race is amalgamated with the other Mono runners, so we could be racing at 1425 (i.e. 3 hours earlier).

Feel free to find me during lunch or something, unless I'm in solitary confinement crapping myself

I will come cheer you on Tristan =) Anyone need a lift from the Oxford area? My car's here now =)

Quote from SamH :

Yeah.. but if she threw a sicky.. they might fire her. Heaven forbid they do that!

I've been cursing this company up one side and down the other, to Becky, for a few months now. Becky's worst enemy is her own loyalty to people who would sooner take a dump on her forehead than pay her the money she's ALREADY owed.

Thats sadly what usualy ends up happening to the nice people =(

Sorry to hear it Becky Hope you can figure out something =)

grats =)

Quote from Mykl :

Thanks! I participate in real life motorsports activities and at some point in the next few years I plan to go club racing. LFS seems to be a decent tool for learning how to handle yourself in a crowd of cars. So I may as well take advantage of that.

IMO LFS is the best place to learn racecraft in the sim world, especally with the SRA licensing (Most people still call it STCC, which isn't exactly the case. the SRA is to STCC as the FIA is to GT racing)

Quote from axus :

theirishnoob, correct me if I'm wrong but from the DP1 thread, you seem to be under the impression that 4WD cars can't drift?

Some dynos under-read, others over-read, ambient temperature makes a big difference, so does altitude. I've heard of BMWs producing 30-50 odd hp more on a dyno than what BMW claims they produce. In short, your measurements could be affected by so many factors that you probably shouldn't say them without evidence of those factors being accounted for and measured as well.

EDIT: Oh by the way, the 507hp said by BMW is at the flywheel, not on the wheels as Jeff just reminded me.

400 at the wheels sounds about right for an engine making just over 500 at the crank.