The way I implemented it, it does.
Joystick is past right stop.
Receives strong left force.
Accelerates left for a while.
No longer past right point, but still has velocity.
In split second, exceeds left end stop.
Receives strong right force.
Accelerates right until no longer past left bump stop.
In split second, exceeds right end stop.
etc...
The problem is that to provide a strong enough force to be felt, the acceleration is quite fast, if you are not holding the joystick. And a joystick can move to extremes so fast that there is no time for the game to react before it's already off the other side.
If you have tried making a joystick move to specific locations, you may have experienced the same trouble I have, with wild oscillations being the usual result. Personally, I have not been motivated to try to solve such an issue. The simple method (plain force, available on all FF devices) worked well for a wheel so I simply limited it to a wheel.
But this is really off topic, I'm not going to start trying to control the motion of FF joysticks of unknown mass, force capabilities, etc.
About end stop forces, I think you sort of missed my point. I'm not saying that end stop forces are dangerous for wheels, but specifically that they could cause undesirable effects for joysticks, because of the way joysticks can flick so fast from one side to the other. That's why I enabled them for wheels but not joysticks. 
But you touched on a more important point about impact forces in conjunction with direct drives, though that is a different subject.
Anyway, I've thought of a possible interface, to allow the user to override the reported device type, see attachment.
But you touched on a more important point about impact forces in conjunction with direct drives, though that is a different subject.
Anyway, I've thought of a possible interface, to allow the user to override the reported device type, see attachment.
There's the answer!
The 'bug' is in the game controller driver software which is reporting DI8DEVTYPE_1STPERSON instead of DI8DEVTYPE_DRIVING.
LFS only implements self-centering when it is a wheel. There are two types of force that are only applied if it is a wheel.
1) After car is reset, the force slowly builds to try to centre the wheel.
2) Wheel out of bounds (end bump stops)
I believe I have done this as a safety measure or to stop LFS smashing up FF devices / children / etc. I don't really know what a DI8DEVTYPE_1STPERSON is but suppose it's a joystick, then applying a large force could fling the joystick right over the other side, when it could then receive the opposite force that flings it the other way, and you can end up with a wild flailing joystick.
I have to be a bit careful with FF devices and decided that these forces should be OK if the controller is a wheel. Of course we have a problem if the wheel manufacturers can't specify the correct device type.
Now I've got a vague memory of some direct drive wheels being reported as DI8DEVTYPE_GAMEPAD - not sure if I'm remembering correctly but I guess that will cause the same problem.
EDIT: Actually it was the Simucube, which was also reported as a 1st person controller. I got this as part of a reply when I contacted them in 2021:
EDIT2: I find it a bit frustrating that DEVTYPE is not a reliable way to recognise the type of device, despite the name, and that manufacturers basically aren't bothered about that. At the moment it looks like we will have to have some kind of override option:
FF device is actually a wheel although it is not reported as one: YES / NO
I wonder if you can think of a good way to add this to the interface, clearly, without taking up too much space, and such that users are unlikely to select it if they don't have a wheel.
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This is not a bug.
You should post in Technical assistance and please post in English, even if you use google translate that would be helpful.
You should post in Technical assistance and please post in English, even if you use google translate that would be helpful.
Google translate:
hello first of all I played this game about 1 year ago and deleted it now I reinstalled it and my old settings came back but I didn't want it and I can't change it
my problem is I don't want to use the car with the mouse and I can't change it I set the car to automatic and the car doesn't go when I press w
please help
hello first of all I played this game about 1 year ago and deleted it now I reinstalled it and my old settings came back but I didn't want it and I can't change it
my problem is I don't want to use the car with the mouse and I can't change it I set the car to automatic and the car doesn't go when I press w
please help
We learned about that from a technical support email yesterday. I've only come across this forum post now.
There was some kind of connection problem. The server was restarted and then the same issue came up a few hours later, was restarted again and seems to be OK for now (around 16 hours). We don't yet know why it happened. It has been running for 3 years without a fault.
Feel free to post here again if the fault comes up again. I should get the email notification.
There was some kind of connection problem. The server was restarted and then the same issue came up a few hours later, was restarted again and seems to be OK for now (around 16 hours). We don't yet know why it happened. It has been running for 3 years without a fault.
Feel free to post here again if the fault comes up again. I should get the email notification.
I don't know the cause, but it looks as if it might be related to code pages and language settings.
Do you rename the files in any other way than through the LFS menu? For example, have you copied and renamed them in Windows file manager?
How do they look in the data\misc folder?
Do you sometimes change language settings on your computer?
What is the "language for non-Unicode programs" on your computer?
Do you rename the files in any other way than through the LFS menu? For example, have you copied and renamed them in Windows file manager?
How do they look in the data\misc folder?
Do you sometimes change language settings on your computer?
What is the "language for non-Unicode programs" on your computer?
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The failed upload attempts don't all add up, they are overwritten by the next attempt, so hopefully you don't need another slot. I can't add an extra slot as we don't have a system to do that and I can't get into coding an exception.
About the Cloudflare upload timeout, I guess you have tried the option to not include the png files, to reduce the size of the upload? I can't do anything about that at this time because for me it would be a big project to make a new upload system, and Victor isn't willing to do it.
About the Cloudflare upload timeout, I guess you have tried the option to not include the png files, to reduce the size of the upload? I can't do anything about that at this time because for me it would be a big project to make a new upload system, and Victor isn't willing to do it.
Have you checked your email?
Just leave us in peace, we are working very hard and will update when there is something interesting to say.
In the meantime you can read the recent progress report. https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/110003
In the meantime you can read the recent progress report. https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/110003
I guess that must have been a temporary glitch?
We haven't had any tech support emails and I've just tested and it seems OK, and yours seems to be running at the moment.
Do let me know if you get another problem.
We haven't had any tech support emails and I've just tested and it seems OK, and yours seems to be running at the moment.
Do let me know if you get another problem.
I don't think it's a bug, those higher numbers represent the output mesh.
Triangles should be relatively simple, I guess some of the ones you selected are mirrored, so the output number is more than you have selected.
Points are a bit more complicated and there will be multiple points where smoothing groups or mappings meet.
For instance a simple cube with one mapping would have 4 points per side, so there would be 24 points even through they are built on only 8 editor points. 3 points at each corner, which you can see if you turn on normals (nrm). Each output, game ready vertex can only belong to one mapping or have one normal.
Triangles should be relatively simple, I guess some of the ones you selected are mirrored, so the output number is more than you have selected.
Points are a bit more complicated and there will be multiple points where smoothing groups or mappings meet.
For instance a simple cube with one mapping would have 4 points per side, so there would be 24 points even through they are built on only 8 editor points. 3 points at each corner, which you can see if you turn on normals (nrm). Each output, game ready vertex can only belong to one mapping or have one normal.
Thanks for the report. It was a bug in the old code, that fortunately had no other side effects.
This was not the mod team, I did this alone after we received a technical support email.
I shouldn't have included the threat of a ban, that final sentence was not needed and obviously annoyed you.
I wish we didn't constantly receive support emails about offensive political or religious logos and slogans, bad behaviour, racism, etc. We're just trying to make a nice game for people to get together and have fun.
I shouldn't have included the threat of a ban, that final sentence was not needed and obviously annoyed you.
I wish we didn't constantly receive support emails about offensive political or religious logos and slogans, bad behaviour, racism, etc. We're just trying to make a nice game for people to get together and have fun.
Thank you for the report, I've fixed that now. I caused the bug when I reused the field for signup notification thread in a recent update.
Yes, the AI path doesn't store the mod's version number. It's only really about vehicle width, a wider one is likely to invalidate the path.
Great bug finding again! Thanks for working out the reason. The car is probably a fraction wider in the later version, and at some point in the generated path the car goes right up to the driveable limit.
What we actually said:
When dealing with complaints from users we would prefer not to get involved in political judgments, but instead LFS should be free from this stuff, so we asked you to remove the logo. Not such a big deal really.
When dealing with complaints from users we would prefer not to get involved in political judgments, but instead LFS should be free from this stuff, so we asked you to remove the logo. Not such a big deal really.
Thanks, fixed that now.
I've just done that now.
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Hi, the server has been restarted and set up for the new IP, and appears to be working correctly now.
I closed the hosts down at 13:00 UTC but they still haven't made the change by 21:00 UTC.
Just now the server seems to have gone offline so it looks like they are making the change, later than expected.
Anyway, it's too late for me to work on this but I will do the updates and restart in the morning if the server is up and running as expected.
Just now the server seems to have gone offline so it looks like they are making the change, later than expected.
Anyway, it's too late for me to work on this but I will do the updates and restart in the morning if the server is up and running as expected.
Australian Hosts Downtime 5th/6th February
Hello Australian hosters,
We received notification that our provider is moving our instances to a different Hypervisor on 5th February, to improve the service. That will mean some downtime.
This should be taking place at some point between 13:00 UTC and 20:00 UTC on 5th February, so that means late in the night in Australia, 5th to 6th February. So I hope that means minimal disruption.
I'd prefer our instance not to be shut down while your hosts are running, so I plan to close them by 13:00 UTC and stop the hosting system on the server. I'll check in occasionally and when I see the server has been restarted, I'll restart the hosting system and restart any hosts that I closed down. That it hopefully before 20:00 UTC otherwise I'll be looking in the morning on 6th February.
If that is OK with you, you can just leave the hosts running and they will be offline for some time as described above. If you prefer to avoid the downtime then you can move your host temporarily (to Hong Kong or USA, I guess).
We received notification that our provider is moving our instances to a different Hypervisor on 5th February, to improve the service. That will mean some downtime.
This should be taking place at some point between 13:00 UTC and 20:00 UTC on 5th February, so that means late in the night in Australia, 5th to 6th February. So I hope that means minimal disruption.
I'd prefer our instance not to be shut down while your hosts are running, so I plan to close them by 13:00 UTC and stop the hosting system on the server. I'll check in occasionally and when I see the server has been restarted, I'll restart the hosting system and restart any hosts that I closed down. That it hopefully before 20:00 UTC otherwise I'll be looking in the morning on 6th February.
If that is OK with you, you can just leave the hosts running and they will be offline for some time as described above. If you prefer to avoid the downtime then you can move your host temporarily (to Hong Kong or USA, I guess).
OK, I think it's fixed now, you can use Korean and other non-Latin characters without starting with Latin or a colour code.
Thanks for this bug report.
I've done some experimentation and while I don't yet know the answer (it's in Victor's web code and I will keep looking) but I found a workaround.
I found that you don't even have to start with a Latin character. You can start simply with a colour code and then it will work.
For example:
^1한글
This will start correctly, in red colour.
You can use colours:
^0:black
^1:red
^2:green
^3:yellow
^4:blue
^5:magenta
^6:cyan
^7:white
I've done some experimentation and while I don't yet know the answer (it's in Victor's web code and I will keep looking) but I found a workaround.
I found that you don't even have to start with a Latin character. You can start simply with a colour code and then it will work.
For example:
^1한글
This will start correctly, in red colour.
You can use colours:
^0:black
^1:red
^2:green
^3:yellow
^4:blue
^5:magenta
^6:cyan
^7:white
FGED GREDG RDFGDR GSFDG