I had to restart the server again this afternoon for some tests.
To those who were online at the time, sorry for the disruption.
I hope the provider will make some sense out of the test results.
To those who were online at the time, sorry for the disruption.
I hope the provider will make some sense out of the test results.
I've restarted the hosts that were stopped. In my test server I didn't notice any difference when the other hosts were stopped.
My ping number (in 'N' list of connections) sits stable for a while then goes red and up to 2, 3, 4, 5, seconds before recovering. This seems to happen every minute, it's not a rare event.
After looking for quite some time, I can't see any explanation for this so we will ask the providers if they have any ideas.
My ping number (in 'N' list of connections) sits stable for a while then goes red and up to 2, 3, 4, 5, seconds before recovering. This seems to happen every minute, it's not a rare event.
After looking for quite some time, I can't see any explanation for this so we will ask the providers if they have any ideas.
Turkish server testing
Hello Turkish Hosters.
I am running tests to try to work out reasons for connectivity issues with the Turkish server.
I am talking about a problem that has nothing to do with DDoS attacks. It is about jerky, intermittent connections when there is no apparent DDoS attack going on.
As a test, I have temporarily closed the hosts that had no players on them. I closed 11 hosts. You are free to restart them if you want, but if you don't need your host for now, you may wish to leave it OFF and I will restart it later.
The idea is to see if the number of hosts is causing any problems, although it should not, as the CPU, memory and bandwidth of an empty host is very small. But I am trying to eliminate issues before we ask the server providers.
So, if your host disappears and reappears, it's not a bug, it's me testing. Sorry for the disruption but I am trying to help.
EDIT: This is not helped by the fact that DDoS attacks on the Turkish server are ongoing today at various times. If the attacker would kindly stop that would be much appreciated. I am trying to help Turkish people and it would be fantastic if you would stop attacking, so we can try to make a good fun game for everyone to play. It's best to try and have a good time in life, and help others to do that whem possible.
I am running tests to try to work out reasons for connectivity issues with the Turkish server.
I am talking about a problem that has nothing to do with DDoS attacks. It is about jerky, intermittent connections when there is no apparent DDoS attack going on.
As a test, I have temporarily closed the hosts that had no players on them. I closed 11 hosts. You are free to restart them if you want, but if you don't need your host for now, you may wish to leave it OFF and I will restart it later.
The idea is to see if the number of hosts is causing any problems, although it should not, as the CPU, memory and bandwidth of an empty host is very small. But I am trying to eliminate issues before we ask the server providers.
So, if your host disappears and reappears, it's not a bug, it's me testing. Sorry for the disruption but I am trying to help.
EDIT: This is not helped by the fact that DDoS attacks on the Turkish server are ongoing today at various times. If the attacker would kindly stop that would be much appreciated. I am trying to help Turkish people and it would be fantastic if you would stop attacking, so we can try to make a good fun game for everyone to play. It's best to try and have a good time in life, and help others to do that whem possible.
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I know you have experienced problems with the Turkish server.
Please can you be clear. Your comment "I wish it were so" suggests that it is still not smooth.
If that is the case, can you tell me clearly? I have a lot to do, so would prefer not to be confused.
We already know what you wish. What we need to know is, what actually is the case?
Please can you be clear. Your comment "I wish it were so" suggests that it is still not smooth.
If that is the case, can you tell me clearly? I have a lot to do, so would prefer not to be confused.
We already know what you wish. What we need to know is, what actually is the case?
Restarted AU / TR / BR / HK servers
Hello hosters,
We updated some settings recently and restarted the hosting servers in these locations today:
Australia / Turkey / Brazil / Hong Kong
I hope the restart didn't cause too much disruption. I know some people were online although I tried to choose an off-peak time.
It's possible the servers may run more smoothly after the restart.
I recommend you restart hosts in E12 now that it is well tested and E12 client is on the auto updater.
We updated some settings recently and restarted the hosting servers in these locations today:
Australia / Turkey / Brazil / Hong Kong
I hope the restart didn't cause too much disruption. I know some people were online although I tried to choose an off-peak time.
It's possible the servers may run more smoothly after the restart.
I recommend you restart hosts in E12 now that it is well tested and E12 client is on the auto updater.
I definitely recommend E12 now that it is well tested, especially as E12 client is now on the auto updater for everyone with version E.
Version E12 is on the auto update system
Dear LFS racers,
As we are nearing the end of the current series of test patches, and because some hosters have moved to the E12 version which you cannot join with 0.7E, I have put the E12 version on the auto updater.
This is a different way of doing things. Normally we wait until the final, official, version and I am sure we will do that in future, when things need testing before going public.
It's different this time as it would be good to get hosts onto E12. The patch is very well tested.
How to update:
Method 1: AUTO install: Start LFS and click List of Hosts and select a download mirror
Method 2: MANUAL install: Visit the test patch thread to read the changelog and manually install
How to update your game host:
Stop host
Select E12
Start host (you are forced to wait for 1 minute after stopping)
As we are nearing the end of the current series of test patches, and because some hosters have moved to the E12 version which you cannot join with 0.7E, I have put the E12 version on the auto updater.
This is a different way of doing things. Normally we wait until the final, official, version and I am sure we will do that in future, when things need testing before going public.
It's different this time as it would be good to get hosts onto E12. The patch is very well tested.
How to update:
Method 1: AUTO install: Start LFS and click List of Hosts and select a download mirror
Method 2: MANUAL install: Visit the test patch thread to read the changelog and manually install
How to update your game host:
Stop host
Select E12
Start host (you are forced to wait for 1 minute after stopping)
I've rebuilt the E12 patch as an installer instead of a self-extracting archive.
Also, as a well tested patch, and now that some hosts are using the improved E12 hosting version, I have put this update on the auto updater system for everyone.
This is experimental, it's a different way of doing things. I'm sure it cannot be done for all test patches but it seems OK right now as this one is well tested.
Also, as a well tested patch, and now that some hosts are using the improved E12 hosting version, I have put this update on the auto updater system for everyone.
This is experimental, it's a different way of doing things. I'm sure it cannot be done for all test patches but it seems OK right now as this one is well tested.
The test patch forum was opened and the thread moved there at the same time that the E12 server became available.
The test patch thread was originally in the mods section because the earlier test patches were primarily about changes related to mods. This is fairly obvious if you look at the change log. https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106967
So then we didn't really need a whole forum section dedicated to a test patch that was all about mods.
Just recently some updates on the host side have required an updated client version. That point I delayed as much as possible, but now we are near the end of the life cycle of this test patch, so things need to be tested.
It does raise the question about making E12 'official' in the sense that it could be automatically downloaded by E clients using the auto updater. Some people might say that is a no-brainer, in the sense that it would be a good idea to provide more frequent updates like that. Maybe they are right, I'm not sure. We haven't done that before. Official updates have always come with an announcement and a new full version. This method has worked for us for many years. Roughly 20 years, I guess.
Either way, it probably would make more sense to use a better installer instead of the self-extracting archive that has served us quite well up to now. But I understand we are moving into an era where many people own a PC and play games but are confused about simply moving a file into a known location on their computer. This can seem hilarious to those of us who have used PCs since the days of MS-DOS.
But I do understand the convenience of the proper installer and I am looking into that a bit.
The test patch thread was originally in the mods section because the earlier test patches were primarily about changes related to mods. This is fairly obvious if you look at the change log. https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106967
So then we didn't really need a whole forum section dedicated to a test patch that was all about mods.
Just recently some updates on the host side have required an updated client version. That point I delayed as much as possible, but now we are near the end of the life cycle of this test patch, so things need to be tested.
It does raise the question about making E12 'official' in the sense that it could be automatically downloaded by E clients using the auto updater. Some people might say that is a no-brainer, in the sense that it would be a good idea to provide more frequent updates like that. Maybe they are right, I'm not sure. We haven't done that before. Official updates have always come with an announcement and a new full version. This method has worked for us for many years. Roughly 20 years, I guess.
Either way, it probably would make more sense to use a better installer instead of the self-extracting archive that has served us quite well up to now. But I understand we are moving into an era where many people own a PC and play games but are confused about simply moving a file into a known location on their computer. This can seem hilarious to those of us who have used PCs since the days of MS-DOS.
But I do understand the convenience of the proper installer and I am looking into that a bit.The trouble is, although it's understandable to want to make such a small change for the fun of it, the time of such tweak mods has really passed. Of course you are free to play around with them on your local computer but it is unlikely to make it to publishing on the public system.
Over the last few years, the mods system has gone through many stages, ups and downs and now mods are not published unless they get community support. There are so many good mods now, the community won't really support mods that don't bring something new and interesting.
Over the last few years, the mods system has gone through many stages, ups and downs and now mods are not published unless they get community support. There are so many good mods now, the community won't really support mods that don't bring something new and interesting.
Tutorial videos: https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/95664
I understand that it is not obvious, but it is in the "Test Patch Forum" that is visible from the main page of the forum.
https://www.lfs.net/forum/66-Patch-TEST-Forum
Sometimes when we get near to an official release, hosts move onto an incompatible version for various reasons and people must use the test patch in order to visit those hosts.
E12 is quite a bit better than E and I would like to release an official version soon, there are just a few more things on the list to sort out.
https://www.lfs.net/forum/66-Patch-TEST-Forum
Sometimes when we get near to an official release, hosts move onto an incompatible version for various reasons and people must use the test patch in order to visit those hosts.
E12 is quite a bit better than E and I would like to release an official version soon, there are just a few more things on the list to sort out.
Although I agree that is not ideal, I don't think it has changed in recent times. I tested using 0.7E and the same thing happens, the mouse axis doesn't seem to reach the absolute limit.
But you can solve that by setting the multiplier on Mouse Y to 1.1 which may be a reasonable solution.
But you can solve that by setting the multiplier on Mouse Y to 1.1 which may be a reasonable solution.
I think what you saw was down to 2 different things.
1) You saw damage on his car, but he did not. This could be that on your computer, damage was inflicted on his engine due to differences on your computer calculating the physics, compared with the 'real' case on his computer. Soon, some info came from his computer correcting the engine damage your computer had estimated too high.
2) Later, he and you had engine damage but the other could not see it. This could be due to granularity due to compressed data. Your engine health would have to be worse than 99.8% to be visible on a remote computer. But it only has to be worse than 99.95% to be visible on the local computer.
1) You saw damage on his car, but he did not. This could be that on your computer, damage was inflicted on his engine due to differences on your computer calculating the physics, compared with the 'real' case on his computer. Soon, some info came from his computer correcting the engine damage your computer had estimated too high.
2) Later, he and you had engine damage but the other could not see it. This could be due to granularity due to compressed data. Your engine health would have to be worse than 99.8% to be visible on a remote computer. But it only has to be worse than 99.95% to be visible on the local computer.
As far as I can understand, carreragt339 is not really talking about the actual *mouse control* option (when you click mouse/keyboard). It seems to me that he is talking about the option to use axis-based mouse control (when you click wheel/joystick without a game controller connected) and that he simply would like a deadzone option for axes (and some additional precision on the multiplier). This is a long requested feature particularly for game controllers. I don't think it is in any way related to the standard mouse control option.
It's not a high priority compared with other things but a deadzone option does feature on one of the notes that I am surrounded by.
It's not a high priority compared with other things but a deadzone option does feature on one of the notes that I am surrounded by.
Never heard of that before.
Have you tried restarting the computer?
Have you tried restarting the computer?
I discovered one small bug that could affect performance if the host was busy, so I had to remotely restart the hosts that had already upgraded:
Race Green
Piran Moto DD
RTFR
[AA]
[SVRT]
CESAV.es
Sorry about that, hope it didn't cause too much disruption.
Anyway, the closing down and restart 1 minute later wasn't a bug. It was just me fixing a bug.
EDIT: I think it may have affected [AA] Mod Racing. Sorry about that.
Race Green
Piran Moto DD
RTFR
[AA]
[SVRT]
CESAV.es
Sorry about that, hope it didn't cause too much disruption.
Anyway, the closing down and restart 1 minute later wasn't a bug. It was just me fixing a bug.
EDIT: I think it may have affected [AA] Mod Racing. Sorry about that.
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Hi, sorry it has taken so long to get back to you.
This system was written by Victor but he has been very busy at his full time job so I have to take over some of the maintenance he would have done in the past. I'm learning more about the website but there's a lot to take in and I don't know how everything works.
I found the old folder of your host on the Netherlands server. I think that shouldn't really remain when you move your host, so I have deleted it (leaving the one in USA that is still running). Please could you try moving it to the Netherlands again and see if it now works?
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No worries, it was nice that I could catch it easily in the replay using a data breakpoint.
You should find this bug is fixed in LFS Host version E12.
I stated that Guests will need E12 in the Host E12 announcement:
https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/2091846#post2091846
https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/2091846#post2091846
Checking the replay, I caught the packet that set the split times to zero.
There are two cases that could cause this packet to be sent.
Admin (or InSim program) typed:
/zero_all
Or:
/setlap USERNAME 0 (for each user name that got set back to zero)
These are the only places in the code that send that packet.
EDIT: further inspection shows it must have been zero_all as no user name was specified.
There are two cases that could cause this packet to be sent.
Admin (or InSim program) typed:
/zero_all
Or:
/setlap USERNAME 0 (for each user name that got set back to zero)
These are the only places in the code that send that packet.
EDIT: further inspection shows it must have been zero_all as no user name was specified.
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The /setstops command is now available in host version E12:
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/108079
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/108079
Version E12 is now available
Hello hosters.
Host version E12 is now available. You can stop your host and select E12.
NOTE: Guests will need Test Patch E12 or later to join an E12 host!
Changes in E12:
FIX: The 49.7 day bug is fixed (previously, the host got stuck after 49.7 days)
FIX: JOOS on connect when a car, now disallowed, is on track
FIX: Old version could sometimes fail to spectate a blocking car
New command /specdnf specifies number of stopped seconds before DNF
- this is activated when a stopped car blocks a result confirmation
- default value is 12 (was 8 in the past) and range is 0 to 240
New command /setstops USERNAME Y :set user's number of stops to Y
Host version E12 is now available. You can stop your host and select E12.
NOTE: Guests will need Test Patch E12 or later to join an E12 host!
Changes in E12:
FIX: The 49.7 day bug is fixed (previously, the host got stuck after 49.7 days)
FIX: JOOS on connect when a car, now disallowed, is on track
FIX: Old version could sometimes fail to spectate a blocking car
New command /specdnf specifies number of stopped seconds before DNF
- this is activated when a stopped car blocks a result confirmation
- default value is 12 (was 8 in the past) and range is 0 to 240
New command /setstops USERNAME Y :set user's number of stops to Y
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