PLato is flying at eh moment up to 2nd on lap 9 Turkington 1st Gio 3rd. But Plato is much quicker half a second a lap.

Edit:
Lap10: Hes leading and Chilton bumped the other two to 3rd and 4th, this is monumental, although I doubt Turkington will finish low down enough, 6th?

11: pulled 1.5 sec clear Colin 2nd.

Turkington takes it by 5 points to Plato Apparently 275--270. Gio a further 4 behind.

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Quote from hazaky :

And the reason is?

I think S2 licence owner's kinda prefer to play on S2 servers lol.

On avg far far better drivers for that car and track to help you out and push you. There are quite a few S2 guys on there often.

The best way to improve is to race at the Air Attack FBM Demo server.

Quote from danowat :

Found a couple of race piccies on the race website

As you can see, the sign says "HALF WAY", almost looks like I have stopped!!!!

So that thumbs up cost me a S2 licence.

Anyhoo, Well done on finishing it even.

Jeez, I can't believe how close I actually guessed.

2:18.49 SAxor

Last edited by SAxor, Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:02.

Something that makes it worse is the contradicting stories of

Symonds ("It's true, during the Sunday meeting with Piquet the issue of deliberately causing a SC deployment came up, but it was proposed by Piquet himself. It was just a conversation.")....

and Briatore ("I confirm the meeting with Piquet on Sunday morning, but nothing like that was ever talked about.")

Symonds says Piquet brought it up?, why on earth would he make that idea?, he'd already made himself great mates with the wall and I don't think he would think that far for his great buddy Fernando.

Its become a two way range.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78478

Last edited by SAxor, Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:48.

2:18:49

Quote from amp88 :

Keke Rosberg won the 1982 championship having only won one race that year, but I can't think off the top of my head of any other examples. I'm sure it's not uncommon though.

never mind I misunderstood

Quote from Timdpr :

My thoughts:

Hamilton and McLaren deserved it more than Massa and Ferrari.

Massa deserved it more than Lewis.

Glock will probably be penalised anyway, for running that Redbull off the track. Or at least he should be! It was the same as Lewis vs Kimi at Fuji...

Think you'll find that was Trulli and a Torro Rosso, Bordais,

Hamilton (will and has already developed)
Sutil (deserves a chance)
Rubens as test driver (Knowledge and experience)

I think Kimi's problem is he is very setup dependant. What I mean is, he seems to like a very stiff setup, so in the wet races(for e.g) he struggles to a point. Notice that in Monza once it dryed up a bit he was blisteringly quick but before was no where (like an on-off switch), he also wasn't too slow at the start of Spa and for a very short while at the end when it started raining but once it got heavier he started driving as though on Ice. He struggles to come up with a good compromise, hes either crazy quick or slow. He also breaks cars. If not he'd me my other driver. Alonso is great but meh, gives teams issues.

Just to add: Briatore apologized and said alot of what he said was embelished and inflated.

Contradiction:

"We took the decision to start on the soft tyres and we knew already that most of the people would start on the hard because our car works in a little bit of a different way to other cars, especially McLaren," he explained. "For us the hard tyre had no grip and the car was difficult to drive."

Then says "Well, it was the best time for me in the race......." about the last stint. Not very good at trying to cover up then.

I am suprised at how heavy Lewis was in the end.

Massa's interveiw was hilarious!

When asked about passing Kimi.

"Well, it was the best time for me in the race and I catch him and I pass him so that was the good part of the race, anyway it was not enough because we are fighting with McLaren."

Last edited by SAxor, Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:08.

Heidfelds piped up, http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71423

Ok guys all this 'doing it for Ferrari' is a load of b******t, come on.

The decisions are bogus because the people that make them know nothing about racing. They probably see it as, Massa spun Bourdais didn't, therefore.....

Think of how a person you know at work, Uni, school etc (that has only seen a few races of ANY motorsport) would see them. Probably come up with the same judgements. They see Massa-Hamilton and Massa-Bourdais incidents as almost identical, and think "hey, what Hamilton did there at turn 1 was just....well........UNFAIR! sniff.

Mosley needs to make the decision to go back to the old system, despite the battering he got for that one aswell it was MUCH better.

Quote from Becky Rose :

Bernie wasn't neutral when he started, he went to the FIA from Brabham. Jean Todt is the ideal candidate to replace Bernie because, as a representative of a majority shareholder - it doesnt introduce any new biases that are not already there. Current Status Quo maintained .

What are you on about Bernie has little to nothing to do with the FIA. He in a way owns F1, like where the races are the runing of the business side if you will. FIA governs the racing, such as rules, safety and control of the racing itself.

Another thing that some are confusing is, The 'stewards' and 'race control' are seperate parts of the FIA, 'race control' has no say about penalties etc but do 'enforce' or 'apply' them when told by the stewards decision.

Looking at the footage, Massa-Bourdais, you can see that Massa actually passed him already which we couldn't see before but it is still Massas fault but should not even have been looked at for penalising anyone.

Last edited by SAxor, Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:20.

About the Massa Hamilton incident. If you look he actually pulled out of the move, or got blocked completely by Massa (cant see) but he definitely stopped trying, and Massa went and outbraked himself, Hamilton actually ended up going through there with a normal line and didn't close a door or anything, he was hit soon after he apex. Yet Massa says "he pushed me very wide". ????????????

I Still think its somewhere round borderline to no penalty though.

Gp2 (didnt play 3 or 4) had awesome AI, its still great to todays standards, they raced you, avoided impact, you could even force them off their line and they use all track only backing off RIGHT before almost going off and only a little aswell so they could stay on you and get back in slipstream. Its abandonware now have a look.

Bewilders me how bad GT series AI is LFS is better, and its a multiplay game, even in demo (differance). GTR is prob best of current games but they back off to much when theres an incident ahead.

Quote from Gentlefoot :

I'm getting sick of the way the FIA and race stewards between them are permanently ruining F1. No longer are the drivers unable to pass because of the nature of the cars, now it's the nature of the stewards and FIA.

If the race controllers don't stop punishing drivers for every little thing then soon no driver will ever risk trying a pass on anyone.

Personally I think that neither Lewis, Massa or Bourdais should have recieved a penalty. OK, Massa maybe shouldn't have punted Lewis around like that but still I think the sport would be better in the long run if that kind of incident was just put down to racing. Lewis didn't have to shut the door at that moment and Massa didn't have to rejoin at the second apex.

Let the blokes race for God's sake otherwise you are going to ruin the sport completely you numpties!

Agree 100%. Five years ago Hamiltons T1 bit wouldn't have even been thought about being investigated and even Massas would have been borderline. Let them race! They know the risks of blocking, trying to pass etc. What happened to the good old comment of "ah well thats racing". Heres a clip, watch the comings together and see if you can remember them being penalized then compare to now days. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... O4ynI&feature=related

Everythings become too strict, the levels changed. Dont know whats gonna happen next year when it will be easier to overtake....... Wether you hate a driver or not or team or whatever, support the racing FFS!

Remeber the days when a racing incident was a racing incident.

Kimi locked rears at monaco and ended Sutils race, Hamilton locked fronts and forced Kimi wide???

About Bourdais, I dont think he in his wildist dreams thought Massa would be there, there was such a large speed differential on entry.

Edit: Bordais responds on Autosport

Last edited by SAxor, Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:13.

Quote from Hyperactive :

The safety car rule is stupid. Among others Hietfeldt "moaned" about it in the beginning of the season and several have moaned about it since. Personally I find it totally random, it is just luck to not get affected by it but if you do your race is practically over. I'm guessing the fia will keep it though along with the sucky 3 phased fuel-burn quali system because no one likes 'em.

From the beggining of this year they stopped the 'fuel burn' in qually three, they no longer get any fuel back for doing laps and i think its now shorter (by 5 mins??). I would like the old day format of "you got 12 laps go get em".

Safety car rule is stupid though.

A Proper driver after having what happened to Massa would have gone out and got the fastest lap, what a joke. If he was in a lower grid car like a Red Bull or the likes we would see the real Massa. He can perform in the good stuff but 99% of current and ex F1 drivers -and actually non F1 drivers- could too.

Glad to see Alonso there actually, he really has won me over this season, he is a properly quick driver.

If they help I dont mind at all. We also shouldn't judge when the only thing seen is one part of new spec in isolation, the bigger front wing, removale of some of the other 'sprouts' on the body and with slicks may 'complete' the look. Even if they doo look like ****, I dont mind that much.

F1 did go a bit timid at the end of the 90s and I think it is surging back up with all this new young talent and slicks returning, removing of more aerodynamic grip and KERS might bring some good racing.

A cars front tyres will always turn towards the direction of least resistance i.e into slide but the car will rarely come back into line.

Last edited by SAxor, Sat, 14 Jun 2008 01:03.