God, it pisses you off, doesn't it?

/\ What the hell do cats have anything to do wtih this? also, you spelled your Japanese wrong.

obviously, This track is modeled after the Twin Ring Motegi Race track in japan, which also has an oval style course, and some different layouts that you can race. Now, I'm not saying that it's modeled as in "GPS- modeled"
but rather a non real track loosely based on a simmilar real one in the same region.

PS: Motegi isn't all that great btw.

EDIT: Zdorovo, kak vashi dela? Menya zovut Maks, ne xotelos bi pouchastvovat v gonke protiv?

That's funny, becasue I went to an autocross this morning, and I'M S2 licensed... That must not be social enough.

/\ win!

again, you embarass yourself.... Racing beat exaust on a FC3S= +40HP
You barelty need to mod anything on a rotary to go fast. Maybe, a piggyback, a free flowing exaust, downpipe, and a ported wastegate on the turbine, and you alredy have youself 260HP. (from 200)
The truth, Rotaries are actualy VERY mod friendly.

Come on everyone, the first 20 people to register at http://zwarte.lfshosting.net/index.php get a free one of these:

Last edited by Mako., Sun 3 Jun 2007, 02:17.

I go with being able to tune the ECU maps, but only for cars in the GTR class.
This is realistic, but even so, do we realy need MORE stuff in LFS? IMO I would love to just have everything else buttoned up and finished first, rather than jumping into a ton of different directions and never getting anything done.

that's the problem right there /\! It's that you're driving a van!

For example, I drove a TurboII Mazda RX-7 into(and out of) a series of s-turns, at 80mph, wide open throttle. There was no squealing, no roll, no nothing, only... GRIP...massive grip! .... now THIS is a car.

Last edited by Mako., Sat 2 Jun 2007, 04:55.

i have the special view enabled, as you turn the wheel the driver kinda looks to the sides. So, when I am sitting at the grid and my wheel is screwy, it has the view cocked to one side, lol.

Quote from glyphon :

there is soooo much misinformation in this thread, its not even funny.

Dude, THANK YOU! You proved my point even further, the rotary effing RULES! :heyjoe67_

Also, about the RX-8's oiling tank... I thought that they solved that problem by now.. guess not. But I'm going to try to do this modification to my own car in a while, and wouldn't you agree that this would make sense? (Through, I see that Mazda might have not done this because some people would just plain forget to refill it)

Last edited by Mako., Sat 2 Jun 2007, 04:37.

To all the above: clearly, you should follow the advice of someone's avatar, and remove youself from the convesration. I posted this to discuss about it being in the game. NOT about how it is to drive on the street, or reliability, or anything else. It seems like no one read any of what I mentioned in my first post, and rather just stupidly commented on an engine they barely know anything about.

The rotary finished the 24 hrs of LeMans going full blast, and after it was pulled apart right afer the race, people were amazed how little wear the enigne actualy had. THAT should tell you about its reliability.

The main reason rotaries are deemed "unreliable" is becasue they are often built half assed. They try to pull crazy ower out of them, upwards of 600HP and expect them to be as reliable as my grandma's Honda. A LOT of rotaries are often tuned improperly, resulting in catastropic engine failture. Shure, a 600HP slab with a honking turbo hanging off the side needs a professional to properly tune it, but so would a comparable 4 cylinder. Also, it would have a simmilar life span to a 4-banger of the same power level. In all, if people weren't so ingorant, maybe today, this wouldn't be the case.

Let's say, that even if we WERE to go with your silly accusations, none of that would matter anyway. except fuel economy. In case you haven't noticed, this is a RACING game, so drivability of a rotary would not be a concern, but it isn't any worse than of a Chevrolet Corvette. Eating apex seals... also not a concern, listed above. Oil consumption is about 1 quart for every 1500miles on the "OLD" old examples, and CONSIDERABLY better on the bewer examples. The reason a rotary engine eats oil, is becasue this is part of it's lubrication system. These engines have oil injectors that take oil from the main supply (a very small amount, and spray it into the cylinders) An FC3S 13B has 4 injectors. A FD3S 13B-REW has only 2, due to improved rotor housing surface design, and less friction. The RX-8 Renisis has a separate tank for this injected oil, so you dont run out of your normal supply. Also, you should only use normal motor oil in a rotary, and 3 brands of specialized synthetic ONLY. All other types of synthetic oil interfere with the operation, due to the oil not burning properly and causing carbon buildup.

Note about fuel milage of an average RX-7: It actualy isn't all that bad compare to other sports cars with simmilar power levels. a 300hp 13B Trubo rotary gets around 14mpg for highway driving at 80mph. (what most people in America drive at, since the speed limit is barely enforced unless you go at +100mph.)

Now go study.

well, THAT thread is shure as hell not going to convince anyone...

Quote from wheel4hummer :

The LS1 isn't all that big you know. I just don't see the point of a rotary engine. The LS1 is only 200lbs more, more power, more torque, better fuel economy, why are rotarys so good? They arent IMO.

You won't ever get it, so don't burden yourself with even trying, ok?

you could also watch the videos in my thread: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=439513#post439513

Last edited by Mako., Fri 1 Jun 2007, 07:30.

Quote from Jamexing :

Last time rotary Mazda went prototype racing, it was banned after its maiden win/race, on the grounds of "unfair advantage".

Lack of vibration, lack of mass, MASSIVE power to weight ratio, compact dimensions..... no wonder normal piston petrol engines looked like dinosaurs.

+infinity for adding a properly performing rotary engined car in LFS, though with turbo modelling as bad as it currently is, I just wish they get all the current engines right first.

Don't you just love that? You do something right for once, and they go and yell at you for it, then proceed to kick your butt out the door.

I was wondering about this, maybe for S3? I will write a bit more later, but for now, I have some key points.

-Very popular and famous enigne, that uses revolutionary design to achive good power with half the weight, and less stress that a reciprocating piston engine.

-sounds wonderful, and has high RPM potential for road cars.

-The Wankel rotary is very compact, and hence allows for very good weight distrbution and low polar moment of an automobile.

-Given that you have free roaming car design, and don't need to confide with regulations like in real life, it will be a lot easier to design a car around this engine.

-This engine is just overall great, unusual, and IMO, would make a great adittion to LFS.

-The REAL reason the wankel rotary has been banned from F1, is becasue it just was TOO ****ing fast... and people didn't like it.:thumbsdow


EDIT: Imo, you could do a TBO class car with a turbo 2 rotor, a GTR class with an N/A 3-rotor, and even a S3 class that was proposed with the Le-Mans style cars, with an N/A 4-rotor, like the 787B, which outirght OWNED Le-Mans.

Thank you for your time. I know you have a lot of other things on your hands, to take care of first, but I'm not asking for something right away, but rather as a consideration for the future. I can also guarantee, that a car with this engine would be VERY popular and competitive in the game.:lfs:

I have made a list of videos that show it's potential, Here are some links:

How it works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGrD7FTFLJc

3-Rotor Race car testing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9dwENa9A5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8K9RGUF3Bo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qPlvCKwaBU

Air-cooled Wankel enigne used in a Kart: http://www.karting1.co.uk/wankel-kart-test.htm

Legendary 787B:
Nurburgring lap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF5_CqUCRIE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubdOVBZ1WcE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceKixXx5Rj8

For the DRIFTER CREW:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok4KCrps8Vs

Also, I think this would be a nice feature to add to LFS later on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlejBevEeRA and no that's not a kit on there.

Last edited by Mako., Fri 1 Jun 2007, 07:43.

So you dont need to gauge your speed is at corner entry, and other relative areas then? Wow, you must be a racing GOD! *sarcasm*

Quote from Koshi_Eternium :

I just tried everything i've been told or the short version of the track the replays are of, Not only couldn't i beat 1:04.08 i got got over taken by everyone off the start line dispite hitting my shifts and using later braking[Altho making turning in to the turn alittle harder], So the only think i keep coming to is the slick tyres, I've play'd lots of differnt grip games from touring to F1 [Always without most driving aids] and theres something about these slick tyres that just dosen't feel right

I'm sorry, the sad truth is this: you suck.

Now stop denying it and go practice like me.

Quote from duke_toaster :

I'd like all the cars that would be typically on one side forced to that side. Many WTCC - and a hell of a lot of BTCC - cars are LHD, so maybe force the XFR to LHD and the UFR to RHD (UK built, see UF1). I'm not sure about real FIA GT Porsches, but I feel sure that all of them are LHD, so the FZR should be LHD. For the FXR and XRR I'm not sure.

The LX cars are probably UK built, so they should be RHD (the same re. the UF). As I said, LHD only for the RAC. If someone has made an RHD RAC, post a pic of it. If we had a US muscle car, force that to LHD.

For the road cars, I feel sure they can co exist provided it is stored on LFSW based on nationality.

Bigh question is, WHY? That is, quite stupid to be frank.

Well, thank you for the effort, but I was asking about not well known freeware stuff, not things like Norton, or Kaspersky, etc. If I had money to spend on that, yes, but not right now, need it for my car.

Here's a driving tip. (Applies to the question, "there is only ONE lightpost in the parking lot, how the HELL did you hit it?")

When you drive, try to look where you WANT to go, and not where you're going, that way, you wont automaticaly zone in on an object and subconciously TRY to hit it...

Damn, yesterday I got on vent and tired to find out what server Team ZWR were racing at. One of the guys said it's a private event on a private server that i cant log to. And they had frankennagies website in their sig, makes me
feel dumb now, these guys were racing a 24HR event, and my stupid A** was distracting them. (unintentionaly)

I feel so bad for missing this, but i would have needed to get up at 5AM and watch till 9:00AM. Needless to say, I woke at 2:00PM.

Last edited by Mako., Mon 28 May 2007, 17:28.

Well, that's what I wanted to do, so no problem! Awesome that you liked my joke, and actualy, they were a present from her. (darn comfy too, mind you!)

yes,the case is wide open, theres a 100mm fan on ythe cpu/ the heatsink from a 2.1ghz athlon, and i have an 80mm fan blowing air on the 5200fx.
(it came with a tiny fan that stopped spinning so i just took it out and rigged the 80mm to blow air on it... works.

ok, about my card: I have found this info so far: (post #5) http://www.mvktech.net/download.php?view.125

BUT, I was wanting to see if I could maybe oc my processor so I could oc the the card for that, instead of just ocing it for the 1.3 stock version, and THEN Ocing the processor.

I know tihs hit is probably not worth it to some of you, but I don't feel like spending extra money on my pc atm, and this can give me the boost I need while I save up. Thank you for the help so far.

Last edited by Mako., Sun 27 May 2007, 19:49.