Wow, not even a resopnse from the gods, and they already implimented this in x10!

No, really, I do love LFS! Now I just need to earn some money, fix my real car, sell it, and get a good pc/G25. Then I can buy an old ride and turn it into a race car with the left over money.

Quote from Hyperactive :

It feels the most like you are actually driving a car

...on a pc

LINUX, bitch!

Quote from MR_B :

could be worse, could be Zimbabwe!

:ROFL:

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.... oh man, this made me laugh like mad!

BTW: http://www.f1rejects.com/centrale/love/index.html

Hi. I know that many do not listen to music when racing, because it is, in their opinion, distracting... but I have had the add on tracks of LFS for a long time now, and have some questions and sugestions about them.

First, I think that, even through the music is "not the newest hit on the radio" it is still very good, and I have recently been wanting to add it to my ipod.

I was wondering if it would be possible to offer an mp3 download of the music as well on the main LFS site or the add on site? The only stuff I found was the original OGG format audio. This also makes me wonder if there have been any new tunes in the works, as a side project?

EDIT: To not take up extra space here's another sugestion which imo will please a lot of LFS users:

Remake the music player in LFS to run MP3 files and maybe give it one of those "pop-up" displays showing the current song that just began for S3 and some eye candy?

I feel that the feature should either be more accessible to people, withought the converting hassle, and a bit "updated", or perhaps, removed entirely if the team does not wish to spend their time doing this.

REASON FOR THIS: currently, the bit is not really used, and most people just turn off in-game music and use winamp, WMP, itunes, etc. instead. So, if you just take it out, there is less clutter and less memory taking up space. I however, hope that this is not the route the devs take.

Well, anyway, there it goes, and I hope that we can get this addressed.

EDIT#2:
Perhaps an alternate solution for the music player is to hold a pole, and if enough people dont use it, remove it from the program until the piece is redone a bit and can support other formats. I think that this is possibly the best overall solution for now, with patch y looming just ahead.

Last edited by Mako., Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:14.

http://accessories.us.dell.com ... mp;s=dhs&sku=320-5647

you can plug a 360 right in the back. There are the smaller ones like the 20" that you can get if this one is tooexpensive, they have the video in plugs as well.

Quote from ajp71 :

Not all torque converters have to have a clutch inside them, and the clutch has a completely different role in an automatic, there's no manual control of it, it's not used for pulling away and removing it wouldn't prevent a car from driving conventionally. You understood my point but just had to be anal

First of all, yeah, exaclty, you are correct!

no no no no no no no no...

All I was trying to say there was that an auto has "clutches" but they are not the same thing as a clutch in a manual car. They work different.

Look:lol, what's funny is that an automatic still has clutches, just not the same way a "standard" car does. Read up on how an auto works dude, it's quite interesting actually!

What proportion of US cars do not have a clutch? Are you referring to automatics? I can't think of a car that doesn't have one.

Me: what's funny is that an automatic still has clutches, just not the same way a "standard" car does. Read up on how an auto works dude, it's quite interesting actually! (this is not meant to be "go study and come back" but rather, "Hey I just read this awesome book, you should check it out!"

Are we all clear now?

PS: I wasn't talking about the torque converter, but rather the clutches that are in a pack deep in the transmission body where the planetary gear sets and all the other junk is..

Quote from ajp71 :

Not all torque converters have to have a clutch inside them, and the clutch has a completely different role in an automatic, there's no manual control of it, it's not used for pulling away and removing it wouldn't prevent a car from driving conventionally. You understood my point but just had to be anal

First of all, yeah, exaclty, you are correct!

no no no no no no no no...

All I was trying to say there was that an auto has "clutches" but they are not the same thing as a clutch in a manual car. They work different.

Look:lol, what's funny is that an automatic still has clutches, just not the same way a "standard" car does. Read up on how an auto works dude, it's quite interesting actually!

What proportion of US cars do not have a clutch? Are you referring to automatics? I can't think of a car that doesn't have one.

Me: what's funny is that an automatic still has clutches, just not the same way a "standard" car does. Read up on how an auto works dude, it's quite interesting actually! (this is not meant to be "go study and come back" but rather, "Hey I just read this awesome book, you should check it out!"

Are we all clear now?

Quote from Gnomie :

Speaking of consistency..

so what if you are?

I usualy get in a new car/ track, take the "Blank" tarmac set, an set it up with average tire pressure, 0deg camber, etc. Then go out and learn the course for 5 laps and try to follow the racing line more than trying to go fast. Then, I gradually increase my pace and go all out on sections I wish to test... this gives me a good Idea on just how hard I can take a corner. After this, I go take a breather, and then do a 10 lap practice for consistency. After that, I can safely go online and not worry so much about flying off.

Well, I'm not very fast, my computer sucks, and I do screw up once in a while, I love to race, and it's really fun for me. Good luck!

lol, what's funny is that an automatic still has clutches, just not the same way a "standard" car does. Read up on how an auto works dude, it's quite interesting actually!

well, it shure feels different to me... hmm, it's like, it has way less time to let you blip it....

I actualy tried playing with auto blip once, and was SLOWER than withought it... buy now I'm like, really slow no matter what. Ah, practice practice, practice.

Quote from ajp71 :

So how does one cool a clutch? (other than wait) maybe you could dissemble half the car in the pit box put an ice pack on your clutch then put it back together, in what 30 seconds?

Umm, cold compressed air blown over it from the acess cover? Cold air from a compressor cand do more cooling than you think, bub!

And this is common on things like the 25hrs of thunderhill... at least, in teams who encounter a simmilar situation and think of shit like this! (cause not everyone is whitty, and there is no rule that says "you cant blow air on your clutch during a pitstop".

EDIT: Albeit, this is not the SMARTEST thing to do, because the dust a clutch makes IS toxic and verybad for you.

Are the ZWR boys here yet? I retired from my pathetic attempt at "racing" until a new physics incompatible patch came out... well, looks like I'm back!

Now the game is a lot more fun and it finaly lost that "hypnotic feeling" that it had before... but maybe it's just my 30fps comp.

Quote from mrodgers :

Throttle blipping is no different than we've been doing it for years, those of us who have been doing it manually. Either you can left foot brake so you have your right foot to do as you please, or you heel-toe like those with a clutch must do. It's simple.

Yes, it is difficult to heel-toe, but you state DFP. What is so difficult about left-foot braking and blipping the throttle with your right foot? I as well as many many others have been doing it for years. Surely you haven't been braking with your right foot with only 2 pedals....

Those of us who are new with a clutch pedal are the ones who should be having difficulties. I can't believe how difficult it is to brake and downshift while blipping the throttle. Heel-toe shifting is taking all my concentration and leaving me with missing and over running my braking points as well as with brake lockup and trips into the sand.

No, man, I use to have the thing off, and it would work the clutch for me on the downshifts... so I used one foot for driving. Now it doesnt work the clutchon downshifts no more... and I cant do it like I used to be able to in X prime version.

Quote from mrodgers :

Surely you haven't been braking with your right foot with only 2 pedals....

Dont make assumptions man, that's exaclty how I have been driving in LFS! No thorttle cut, no blip on downshift, and autoclutch till now, braking with my right foot. But, now that the new patch is out, it is all screwed up man. also, with autoclutch, it shouldn't wear/heat/whatever the clutch at ALL! OTher wise, wtf is point of that? lol.

I guess I will need to get a second set of pedals now. Also, I CAN drive, I can heel-toe just fine in real life as well, not kidding.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

That depends quite a bit on the car's weight, power, and gearing. Taking off with no throttle in my wife's car would be tricky indeed because it's overly heavy and underpowered.

That seems to be the case here.

OH... ok... lol. The thing is, this one guy was bragging about how he could do it, so I went out to my dad's F150 truck and gave it a try... and it worked!

It has a 4.2 liter V-6.. no idea on weight, but it's a full size truck.

Quote from March Hare :

About starting the car after a stall.

After a stall the ignition is ON but the engine isn't turning. So you need to turn it with the starter motor. You have to turn the key BACK to turn the ignition OFF before you can use the starter motor.

Most normal cars have had this double start prevention for several decades. It's there to prevent you engaging the starter motor while the engine is running.

Try it with your own car. Stall the engine and try to start it without turning the key back. If your car is working properly it shouldn't start. Only after you have turned the key back a notch or two will it be able to start again. Another test is to try and start the engine while it's already running. I don't recommend doing this as it can damage your starter/starter pinion/the teeth on your flywheel.

Well, me mom's 2003 hundai you CAN engage the starter motor when the engine is running. Maybe most European higher end cars, like audi, etc have this, not japanese or american.

Quote from yoyoML :

Let's just conclude it as an "idiot proof" feature, that is not mechanically required. Same goes for requiring clutching to start even in neutral.

All cars I've driven, too, required only turning to "start" to run the starter motor. No clutch needed starting in neutral, either. But it does make sense to artificially require turning to "off" then to "start", and maybe plus pressing the clutch to a) avoid using starter when engine's running and b) avoid driving the car with the starter.

The thing about having to press in the clutch to start the car. How many of you drive? IN cold climate, a lot of times, if you leave the handbrake on overhight, it will stick... which is a bitch... so A lot of people, including me, put their car in gear instead of yanking the parking brake. Then, as you get in late for work, sometimes the fact that you left your car in gear is the LAST thing on your mind, so you start your engine, and DOH! Ah, of yeah thank god for that feature, just saved my ass! So you clutch in, start the car, and pull away, no bent bumpers and higher insurance costs. I actually like this feature in real cars quite a lot. It's simple, and does a lot more than ABS will ever do for me.

Quote from Stigpt :

If you put in a gear with manual gear and clutch, then lift the clutch veeeeeeeery slooooooooowly, the car starts accelerating by itself (as in, it presses the accelerator pedal by itself).
Basically, the THROTTLE is still exibiting the same behaviour as in patch X - just the clutch isnt.

umm, it's supposed to do that... real cars, if you are really percise with the clutch, you can take off withought pressing the gas AT ALL!

Unless you mean that the bar graphs show the throttle axis move when you are not pressing the gas pedal....

Quote from shiny_red_cobra :

That's what I was wondering when I posted about it at the beginning of this thread.

Some higher end cars, like mercedes, do that fo \r security purpose I think, but most cars, like the 240sx, RX-7, Rustang, s2000, Trucks, etc dont do that. It's a more common feature now, but most cars dont, or at least, dont HAVE to have you do that.

Quote from danowat :

Setup prefix has changed, I am hoping the full patch will convert old setups to the new naming format.....

As for not discussing the clutch, I think it's worth discussing, as I am not sure it's that easy to overheat a clutch......

It's not this easy... if it was, you would not see a SINGLE burnout in the world at the drag races! Yes, clutches can fry, but the clutch in, let's say, the FBMW is supposed to be a high preformance "unsprung race ceramic clutch" or something simmliar, not the same one you will find in a pinto. Hell, a 1990 miata STOCK old non replaced since 1990 clutch is more durable= I've driven one, and it beggd for more abuse, the car even had LSD too.

Quote from SFL :

?

The clutch isnt used in the fbm..

ok, so here's a problem for me: how to "throttle blip" with a DFP?

I selected "auto clutch" and had the clutch heat up a copuple times driving on BL in the FBMW.

So, when I lift the gas and upshift, the auto clutch is not used?
hmm, wierd... then, is it used when I TRY to throttle blip?
As in, if you are breaking, and hit the gas, does it clutch in during this? I dont think so, and the only way for me to drive then, is to use the left paddle for the clutch pedal, which sucks.

I think the auto clutch is only used to take off, no? And, now we cant do burnouts! =[ How are we, the ones with the momo's and Driving force Pro supposed to drive now? Can you at least put the auto throttle blip back (if the autoclutch is selected?) thank you scavier!

EDIT: during which lights on the wheel of the formula bmw are we supposed to shift? when it gets all the way, or what? FOX display is better I think.

Sry for bad english I'm really tired right now, lol.

Quote from BlakjeKaas :

No...

Because then It may be an advantage for racers who have 45 degrees...

So everyone takes 45 degrees, and then it's no sim... (that's not what I paid for)

as in: I did not pay for no sim...

how would that be an advantage for racing? also, most "RACE" cars also have modded steering lock in case you didn't know... lol

Quote from psdf :

My point was that it's pretty absurd to say "45 degrees is not realistic and you can't find it in production cars" when at the same time you can do all kinds of extreme settings for the XRT. I dare you to find me a production car which has the same modifiability as the XRT, stock.



Don't put words into my mouth. Exactly where did I say its "sooooooooooo hard to drift without 45deg lock"? In the last ~10 months since I purchased LFS, I've clocked 38 943 km of which about 95% on drift servers. I'm just trying to get a little change made which would make drifting even more interesting. After watching Drift Bible, I suggest you watch an actual D1 GP competition.



Again, I never asked for more power, just more steering lock. Sure, a drift doesn't necessarily need "bags of power" but if you want serious angle, smoke and speed, power and extreme settings are needed.

Personaly, I love EVERYTHING to do with cars, autocross, rally, formula, tin top, LX cars, FR cars, FF cars, clow car,s fast cars, ugly cars, gorgeous cars, DRIFTING, Ferrari, Moskvitch, volvo, Honda, expensive, cheap, old new... I think you get the point!

However, some people are not like that, and this is likely a conspiracy to cut down on drifting and make more racing in the game.

Which brings me to another issue: rather than bitching about drifters, go bitch about the 90 or so "cruise" servers which are a waste of LFS. There, I said it!

I cant believe yo don't know what car that is! Be ashamed! VERY ashamed! For that is one of the greatest sports cars in the world.

Side note: Being fast alone does NOT make a car great. There is a ton of other things to consider!

Anyway, long live the rotary!

Hey guys! Sorry I dissapeared on ya for such a long time. I've just been feeling "out of it" and dont have any drive to race right now...

I'll be seeing you all sometime in the future, hope no one missed me!