Hi, we can basically use any setup for the fz5 race, as I suspected, playing too much with the setup is a waste of time - get it stable or driveable for you, and use it.
I succeeded in doing 17 laps. But if you make a mistake and slide, your tyres is gone. xyx found that things get better after 25 laps and actually ran the race distance.
A way of driving carefully is to activate TC, and drive in such a way that the light never comes on. Turn 3 is the biggest issue. Put it in 6th and keep 10% throttle and allow speed to drop, to just over 200kph, then 5th and accellerate gradually, or however works for you.
Stevanov mentioned earlier in the week that he is trying to find the point where the tyres get into balance, meaning that the other tyres also start to gain grip and relieve the stress on the right rear
You will find after lap 13 or so, that the left rear and front also start to heat up.
SO, you can either use restrictions, or drive slower, more carefully.
I succeeded in getting a number of below 46s laps.
The good thing of not having restrictions is that you still have power when needed.
I succeeded in doing 17 laps. But if you make a mistake and slide, your tyres is gone. xyx found that things get better after 25 laps and actually ran the race distance.
A way of driving carefully is to activate TC, and drive in such a way that the light never comes on. Turn 3 is the biggest issue. Put it in 6th and keep 10% throttle and allow speed to drop, to just over 200kph, then 5th and accellerate gradually, or however works for you.
Stevanov mentioned earlier in the week that he is trying to find the point where the tyres get into balance, meaning that the other tyres also start to gain grip and relieve the stress on the right rear
You will find after lap 13 or so, that the left rear and front also start to heat up.
SO, you can either use restrictions, or drive slower, more carefully.
I succeeded in getting a number of below 46s laps.
The good thing of not having restrictions is that you still have power when needed.
had some servers that gives an auto kick if you use restrictions ;-)
Okay, here is an idea:
Keep the combo as KY1 with FZ5, but allow participants to use any voluntary air intake or ballast restriction.
At 20% the car becomes ridiculously easy and boring to drive with, the tyres seems to be okay (slow lap times, though, 48.xx).
THUS:
I suspect there is going to be a restriction break point where a race will be possible... As I said, 10% restriction is a no solution.
At the end, it will be a trade off between speed, tyres and pitting.
Driving carefully at speed, preventing the tyres from sliding does not help, as it is simply the body mass on the right rear that is causing the problem. I suspect spendign hours on designing sets will be a waste of time.
Going for a strategic race, any tyres, any ballast or restriction allowed, may make this for an interesting event. Just wish I could get ANY replay of an oval FZ5 race.
Keep the combo as KY1 with FZ5, but allow participants to use any voluntary air intake or ballast restriction.
At 20% the car becomes ridiculously easy and boring to drive with, the tyres seems to be okay (slow lap times, though, 48.xx).
THUS:
I suspect there is going to be a restriction break point where a race will be possible... As I said, 10% restriction is a no solution.
At the end, it will be a trade off between speed, tyres and pitting.
Driving carefully at speed, preventing the tyres from sliding does not help, as it is simply the body mass on the right rear that is causing the problem. I suspect spendign hours on designing sets will be a waste of time.
Going for a strategic race, any tyres, any ballast or restriction allowed, may make this for an interesting event. Just wish I could get ANY replay of an oval FZ5 race.
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The problem with the FZ5 is (1) Excessive rear weight distribution (2) Body roll due to no downforce.
On every turn the rear transfers all the weight onto the rear right tyre - the banking of the oval actually worsens the problem. The straights are not long enough to cool it down again.
In my opinion (agreeing with Kochomoch) is that the FZ5's characteristics that makes it bad to control in standard tracks, are multiplied on the oval.
Having spent another few hours working on the set, and getting a maximum of 8 laps out of the tyres, I do not think the FZ5 have any place in this oval league. Pitting every 4 laps is a frustrating, tedious option.
Had the poll had the option of a different car, I would've gone for that.
Thank you, just an idea about how to change the set will be great.
I found a 2007 FZ5 Oval event over 40 laps with average lap times of 45.69. I suspect the physics or tyres may have been different, unfortunately no replays are available.
After 3 evenings, one 4 hour session with my team my mates, we could not design a set that does not effectively destroy the right rear tyre and make the car totally unstable after 5 laps.
I tried the FZ5 with 10% restriction, and no real improvement, except slower lap times.
The FE Oval will destroy the tyres faster.
I will not drive any event with the FZ5 that is not on the KY Oval - thus I am in a quandrary and may abstain from voting. My reason is that I hate fighting this car on a track - too awful for me.
On second thought, I voted to keep the event as is.
On second thought, I voted to keep the event as is.
I have total control over the FZ5, and do not have any issue driving 44.90 second laps over 100 laps. The FZ5 on good tyres is even a beauty to draft with.
After 3 evenings, one 4 hour session with my team my mates, we could not design a set that does not effectively destroy the right rear tyre and make the car totally unstable after 5 laps.
I tried the FZ5 with 10% restriction, and no real improvement, except slower lap times.
The FE Oval will destroy the tyres faster.
I will not drive any event with the FZ5 that is not on the KY Oval - thus I am in a quandrary and may abstain from voting. My reason is that I hate fighting this car on a track - too awful for me.
On second thought, I voted to keep the event as is.
On second thought, I voted to keep the event as is.
I have total control over the FZ5, and do not have any issue driving 44.90 second laps over 100 laps. The FZ5 on good tyres is even a beauty to draft with.
FZ5 race setup
Hi
I am looking for an FZ5 setup for oval that can do a race. Maybe 20 laps without tyres exploding.
I have great hotlap sets, and we spent hours trying to design a race set, but failed.
I am looking for an FZ5 setup for oval that can do a race. Maybe 20 laps without tyres exploding.
I have great hotlap sets, and we spent hours trying to design a race set, but failed.
Distance of Race: 95 laps (175.940 Miles - 283.100 km) + 2 pace laps
-14:45 UTC – Roadster 175 Green Flag (135 laps / 175.940 miles)
Conflicting information?? But I guess the 95 laps is correct, based on distance?
SC speed? 120kph?
Draft policy?
-14:45 UTC – Roadster 175 Green Flag (135 laps / 175.940 miles)
Conflicting information?? But I guess the 95 laps is correct, based on distance?
SC speed? 120kph?
Draft policy?
Fast And Crazy,LX6,45,Jettascuba,Gerrit Conradie,South Africa
Your Name: Gerrit Conradie
Your LFS Username: Jettascuba
Team Name: Fast And Crazy
Driver Number: 45
Car Selection: FXR
Nation: South Africa
Your LFS Username: Jettascuba
Team Name: Fast And Crazy
Driver Number: 45
Car Selection: FXR
Nation: South Africa
An advantage of uploading a lot of wr's at once, is that it is difficult for the previous holder to regain it, especially if that person lost a few.
Fair enough, I checked wrong lap. At least I had my clutch in, and wasn't trying to drive anywhere, and was only very slightly moving. Maybe I accidentally pushed my clutch after spinning zillion times. Maybe I was rattled after the accident and could not think of anything rational to do.
The track was completely clear when I crossed the s/f line, and up to the point before you decided to drove in front of me. What did I have to gain by passing you, I was 4 laps down?
After the crash I was off track, why did I have to apply the brakes? I spectated long before Kronpuss passed the incident site.
Pity this sentence is complete nonsense, you were 0.7s slower on any lap after you removed Zlatev from the draft, if anything, you were slowing the 3 car draft down.
http://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Rules_of_Clean_Racing
After an Incident
AI-1: Any driver rejoining the track after a spin/crash/off has the responsibility of not driving into other competitors - regardless of position or situation. Being stuck on the barriers is regarded as a crash.
AI-2: On-track drivers at racing speed always have right of way over anyone returning to the track, even if the incident was not your fault.
AI-3: Your right of way does not exist until you are up to racing speed on-track.
AI-4: Always use your mirrors, look buttons and mini-map (if available) to check for oncoming traffic. Not doing so is highly dangerous.
AI-5: If a competitor's car has come to a halt on the track, either through spinning or crashing, then that driver must apply the brakes and not move whatsoever. This helps oncoming traffic find a route through the incident as a moving chicane is a lot harder to avoid and will result in a collision.
AI-6: The stationary driver must either spectate as soon as possible, or if safe to do so, return to racing speed once all oncoming traffic has passed.
Number of rules broken: 6
After an Incident
AI-1: Any driver rejoining the track after a spin/crash/off has the responsibility of not driving into other competitors - regardless of position or situation. Being stuck on the barriers is regarded as a crash.
AI-2: On-track drivers at racing speed always have right of way over anyone returning to the track, even if the incident was not your fault.
AI-3: Your right of way does not exist until you are up to racing speed on-track.
AI-4: Always use your mirrors, look buttons and mini-map (if available) to check for oncoming traffic. Not doing so is highly dangerous.
AI-5: If a competitor's car has come to a halt on the track, either through spinning or crashing, then that driver must apply the brakes and not move whatsoever. This helps oncoming traffic find a route through the incident as a moving chicane is a lot harder to avoid and will result in a collision.
AI-6: The stationary driver must either spectate as soon as possible, or if safe to do so, return to racing speed once all oncoming traffic has passed.
Number of rules broken: 6
How can you THINK that 1m behind someone at 275kph is not dangerous?? This is what makes oval racing extremely dangerous.
The problem with someone trailing close on the heels of another driver is that the ahead drivers does not have maneuvering options, he has to think about the actions of the behind driver all the time. With 2 or 3 drivers fighting for position, or trying to leave the pack, it is understandable and part of racing. With a lap down racer joining them, it is just an unneccesary hindrance (As Eclipsed said: Falconbridge may simply have tried to get himself into a advantegous position from which to attack, with you inbetween, it cost him). This actually deserves a formal protest.
I had two opportunities to join their group, and your group when you passed me, I was just too afraid of messing up. At that stage I was the most behind driver, and could've used it to my advantage in case of SC's. Just did not feel right to risk drivers on the lead lap for my own gain.
That is a shitty and unneccessary comment.
If 2 leaders are driving a good race, keep out of it, fall back, anything that happens when you try to follow them or draft them WILL BE YOUR FAULT. Get it???
Lastly, a general protest:
1) It seems like admins are trying to artificially get an all Green race, by not throwing yellows - this changed drastically from previous races, why?
2) It seems like admins are not willing to give instant penalties for being afraid of loosing drivers. I do find that certain drivers gets unfairly 'picked' on, such as number 00.
3) Lack of practise races where incompetent drivers can be identified
4) The more admins loose motivation to run leagues, the less drivers will take part, the less penalties are given, the more the league will loose cautious drivers
5) Cancelling practise sessions and changing schedules due to a perceived lack of drivers is unprofessional and will not help the league to grow.
1) It seems like admins are trying to artificially get an all Green race, by not throwing yellows - this changed drastically from previous races, why?
2) It seems like admins are not willing to give instant penalties for being afraid of loosing drivers. I do find that certain drivers gets unfairly 'picked' on, such as number 00.
3) Lack of practise races where incompetent drivers can be identified
4) The more admins loose motivation to run leagues, the less drivers will take part, the less penalties are given, the more the league will loose cautious drivers
5) Cancelling practise sessions and changing schedules due to a perceived lack of drivers is unprofessional and will not help the league to grow.
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Session: Stock Car 250
Time Code of Incident (start - finish): 8:30.84
Drivers Involved: 45, 26
Description: why no yellow flag?
Time Code of Incident (start - finish): 8:30.84
Drivers Involved: 45, 26
Description: why no yellow flag?
Session: Stock Car 250
Time Code of Incident (start - finish): 8:20.10 and 8:30.84
Drivers Involved: 45, 26
Description: At 8:20.10 26 attempts to pass 45, cuts in front of 45, tap 45's front wing. at 8:30.84 26 understeers, hits wall, hits 45, causing 45 to retire
Time Code of Incident (start - finish): 8:20.10 and 8:30.84
Drivers Involved: 45, 26
Description: At 8:20.10 26 attempts to pass 45, cuts in front of 45, tap 45's front wing. at 8:30.84 26 understeers, hits wall, hits 45, causing 45 to retire
Session: Stock Car 250
Time Code of Incident (start - finish): 11:20.15
Drivers Involved: 00
Description: Why no yellow flag?
Time Code of Incident (start - finish): 11:20.15
Drivers Involved: 00
Description: Why no yellow flag?
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Session:: Stock car 250
Time Code of Incident (start - finish):1:15:02.39, lap 91, turn 3
Drivers Involved: 23, 53
Description: Car 23 made a move on 53 at t3, 23 understeers and drove in to 53 causing him to loose time and chances for good finish, the incident was avoidable
Note: 53 ask me to do the protest as he is afraid that he will state what he really think about 23's driving skills
Time Code of Incident (start - finish):1:15:02.39, lap 91, turn 3
Drivers Involved: 23, 53
Description: Car 23 made a move on 53 at t3, 23 understeers and drove in to 53 causing him to loose time and chances for good finish, the incident was avoidable
Note: 53 ask me to do the protest as he is afraid that he will state what he really think about 23's driving skills
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Session: Stock Car 250
Time Code of Incident (start - finish): 27:18.17 to 27:24.27, lap 36 turn 1
Drivers Involved: 23, 45, 52
Description: 23 hit 52 while 3 drafting, both drivers lock side by side, 23 hit the wall, tried to regain control, no attempt at braking, stayed full to half throttle and tried to regain the racing line. At time of incident 75% of track was open for 45 to pass, had 45 hit the brakes he would have compounded the incident by driving into the bundle, 45 took low line, but 23 drove deliberately in front of him, at no stage during the incident he tried to brake. This is a direct violation of the Clean Driving Rules stating that cars should be stationary after an incident. Also a violation of Clean Driving Rules whereby which he simply continued without attempting to wait for 45 to pass him. 45 drove full speed in 23. After incident 23 continued trying to rejoin, and could've hit 96 in similar manner than 45.
Time Code of Incident (start - finish): 27:18.17 to 27:24.27, lap 36 turn 1
Drivers Involved: 23, 45, 52
Description: 23 hit 52 while 3 drafting, both drivers lock side by side, 23 hit the wall, tried to regain control, no attempt at braking, stayed full to half throttle and tried to regain the racing line. At time of incident 75% of track was open for 45 to pass, had 45 hit the brakes he would have compounded the incident by driving into the bundle, 45 took low line, but 23 drove deliberately in front of him, at no stage during the incident he tried to brake. This is a direct violation of the Clean Driving Rules stating that cars should be stationary after an incident. Also a violation of Clean Driving Rules whereby which he simply continued without attempting to wait for 45 to pass him. 45 drove full speed in 23. After incident 23 continued trying to rejoin, and could've hit 96 in similar manner than 45.
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