Quote from DeKo :

okay scawen, just got a black screen when i shift-f4'd. I shift f4'd to go to inferno, then applied the profile again in ATT because it doesnst stick, shift f4'd again to go back to full screen and got just complete black, shift f4'd again and it just stays.

Ill go test this, see if its reproducable.


Okay tested again, cant seem to get it at all. This is the second time ive had this, first time was in W37 on FM server. Is there something i can run or something, which if it happens again, could help you in anyway? Although im really not sure that its an LFS problem, could just be ATT being bent

Also happened to me, also using ATT. I hadn't had any black screen problems since switching from Nvidia to ATI so it probably has something to do with

Quote from Scawen :

Changes in TEST PATCH W37 :

FIX : Safer code when changing windowed to full screen

Couldn't reproduce it though so I can't be sure.

Quote from herki :

Plus: He has an avatar, which is quite unusual for demo-accounts

Yeah, it's funny. At one point I had full S2 privelliges on this account (avatar, sig etc.). Then I lost them during a forum software update. Then after that hacker attack a few months ago my old avatar came back out into the open but I still don't have access to the menus to change or deactivate it.

I've uploaded the two youtube clips you linked to in better quality so you can see his right hand better. I would say the Monaco one is clearly H-shift (right at the beginning you can see him pull back to 5th and then push forward to 6th) while the Interlagos one is hard to tell but IMO also H-Shift.

http://rapidshare.com/files/34642064/clips.rar.html

shift f4 is supposed to be cleaner/more stable.

Damn. After finally managing to join the track ("can't pit, player is connecting") I got the blackscreen of death when I used shift F4. I believe something changed in a recent test patch?

I keep getting "Host is full" and then "too many clicks". Looks OK to me.

Quote from pb32000 :

Ahh ok. Bios is the next best then, but I cant remember if Dell lets you get at anything that way related

Not much point in looking at temperatures without CPU load.

Quote from BlackSheep720 :

Here's the deal. It's getting to be summer here in the U.S, and temperatures are in the mid to high 80's as of now. My computer is starting to sound like some kind of a vacuum cleaner (it's that loud). When I'm playing games (LFS, of course), it gets so hot that it starts to heat up the room that it's in. My computer's a 2004 Dell, 3.0 ghz Pentium 4 w/ HT, 128 Mb NVidia card, 512 Mb RAM, and an 80 Gb hard drive. I certainly can't afford to upgrade anything in it, so what can I do with what's there, or stuff that's lying around the house. As of now all I can think of is to lay ice packs around it . What can I do to improve its heat problem?

How do you know it's overheating? You neither mentioned the CPU temperature nor any stability problems. If your PC doesn't crash, it's not overheating, almost by definition.

If it's noise that's annoying you, open the case, find out which fan is noisy by stopping them from rotating with your finger and then replace the loudest with a better one.

Last edited by J.B., Thu 31 May 2007, 09:31.

Just remembered that I once encountered a similar problem with a laptop. But I can't remember if I fixed it by changing the XP power management settings from laptop to desktop or by installing a program that let me force the FSB and multiplier (CrystalCPUID?).

Some people in this thread should be ashamed of themselves. He's 8 FFS! Do you know any 8 year olds? Can you imagine reacting to one of them like that if he came up to you in real life to show you his first ventures into the world of programming?

From a "watching drivers handle challenging cars" point of view I love GP2. In fact I think it's my favourite series.

WTCC: too slow/boring cars but good racing.

WRC: great but not enough competition for Loeb

FIA GT: some cars look nice but that's it, not racing IMO.

MotoGP: best racing full stop.

DTM: I like the cars and the drivers but often quite boring, F1 style races. Bring back the old double headers!

F1: best drivers and fastest cars, lots of serious problems though.

F3: need to look at their aero/engine package as the races are too boring and the cars look too tame

NASCAR: can be entertaining at times, nice to leave in the backround while doing something else.

Full FIA report: http://www.fia.com/mediacentre ... t/2007/May/300507-01.html

OK maybe one of you can help me here. I've just realized that I don't even understand the simplest of all models of a car going round a corner which is the steady-state, neutral steer, two wheeled bicycle model as described in RCVD.

On p130 it is stated that if the centre or mass is exactly half way between the front and the rear contact patch and both tyres are identical then the front slip angle will be identical to the rear slip angle while the car follows a perfect, steady state circle.

Now if the car is travelling on a circle, then obviously it has a constant yaw velocity. But if the tyres and their slip angles are identical then the lateral forces they create must also be identical. Now my problem: If they are the same then where do the forces come from that make the car yaw?

EDIT: While writing the above I realized my mistake: The the car has a constant yaw velocity, not a constant yaw acceleration. This means there shouldn't be any yawing forces during steady state cornering as these would cause yaw acceleration. So I guess I answered my own question.

Yawing forces are needed to build up a yaw velocity from zero, during the transition from straight line to steady state cornering. For this torque to exist you need to have a higher force i.e. higher slip angle at the front wheel than at the rear, which is what Shotglass meant by "understeer by definition up to the apex".

Last edited by J.B., Tue 29 May 2007, 16:19.

Quote from harjun :

But i have AMD

I think AMD CPU's just freeze the system when they get too hot so temps probably aren't your problem.

Use a tool like speedfan to monitor your CPU temp. Intel CPU's reduce their clock speed when a certain temperature is reached.

Quote from keiran :

So are they saying they should just keep it secret like the red team do?

Yep, that's really the issue now. We should accept that McLaren didn't break any rules and publicly explained what happened and leave it at that. Now that the FIA are investigating McLaren will just keep quiet next time and the spectators will lose out even more.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

So far we only know two things about Hamilton:

1) He's a safe pair of hands, he brings the car home.
2) He's not as fast as Alonso.

I remember Coulthard led the drivers' championship sometimes when he was at McLaren...

Disagree. So far we know that he is able to give the best driver in F1 a run for his money in every race and qualifying from his first race onwards (compare to Rosberg, Kubica, Kovalainen) and doesn't make any mistakes while doing it.

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

I dare say the team orders weren't 'let Alonso win' but more of the order 'the one who's in front after the last pitstops stays in front'. I.e.,

Agree but I think there's a big difference between letting them run until the final pitstops and letting them run until only the first. When you jump in that early you really are mocking the spectators IMO.

Also I don't fully understand Ron Dennis' explaination. Why exactly is a one stop strategy better in case there is a pace car? Why did LH only have 5 laps more fuel than FA if fhe really was on a one stop strategy? Why exactly did they switch to two stops during the race? One stop worked quite well for Wurz and Kubica.

What I do understand is that they saw just how hard both drivers were chucking their cars around (a beauty to watch) and then got scared that maybe they would throw away a very very good chance to win the race. Especially for Lewis, who touched bariers more than one, I think this was a good decision from a team point of view.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h ... t/formula_one/6696953.stm

Don't like this at all as I feel tricked into believing I was watching a motorrace.
But at least they came out with the truth afterwards and the decisions made are understandable from a team point of view.

Quote from DeKo :

Is that hamilton lap the lap where webber held him up? he seems quite a bit faster in that video.

the laps you're looking at were (from memory) FA 1:15.4 and LH 1:15.5. The Webber issue was I think in part 3 of qualifying.

Is there a place to see the full qualifying times, not just q3?

I watched the second part of qualifying from onboard and made a splitscreen clip of LH and FA's fastest laps. It doesn't show much, only 25 seconds, but it does show that there still was some laptime potential left in the McLaren.

http://rapidshare.com/files/33 ... o_q2_splitscreen.avi.html

This thread actually got me to start reading the handling parts of Milliken. Haven't gone far yet and it doesn't look like it's going to be easy but I did come across a quote that seems relevant to some of the confusion in this thread.

Quote from RCVD :

[The engineering definitions of neutral, understeer and oversteer] apply to sublimit operation, generally in the linear range, and are not to be confused with the use of similar terms for behavior at the limit of adhesion (see chapter 8).

So as I understand it the race driver's sensation of understeer is not closely related to the engineering definition of front slip angle > rear slip angle. To really understand it I would need to get a bit more involved with the subject than I have time for ATM but at least you guys know where to look now (in case you didn't already).

Quote from Blackout :

Did look the same old red for me, although now it reads Marlboro all over the car instead of those stripes.

Here are two cherry picked pics. Could be the lighting but I think they have switched to a nicer tone of red.

http://www.motorsport-total.co ... &d=4&b=1148830978
http://www.motorsport-total.co ... &d=2&b=1179999617

Rumour has it that Ferrari have gone back to red livery after years of Marlboro orange. Anyone know where some nice pics are?

I hope McLaren really are strong this time and not like Barcelona where they got thrashed after a strong Friday.

To the brits: If LH does win be sure to share the Clip of James Allen going crazy with us.

I would say the best input will give the best output. Try HuffYUV.