Quote from Dragonmen :

Please make a comment.

IMO the one in front's fault, not enough room for my liking. But it doesn't look like he tried to make Boris back off, or put him into the grass, he just thought that he had left enough room to not get hit.

Quote from Shotglass :

if you know his track record and look at his reaction ("idiot") ... absolutely yes

Agree with that part, was commenting purely on the driving incidents.

Everone seems to agree with the ban? Come on, I can understand thet AS' driving was too agressive for some people's liking but where was the banable offence?

With 7.5 I only had to reload the ATT profile when I switched to window and back. Now with 7.6 I need to use ATT after every single LFS start.

What I see is very aggressive but doesn't look like bad intent. If he had wanted to put other cars off the track he could have done so more than once. Before the chicane one driver has to back off and since AS was in front he had the right to turn in like he did. And in the incident this thread is about AS clearly wasn't going to the outside of the corner like that by his own free will. His opponent failed to judge the situation correctly.

Just read the Mallory update. Well done! :up: So how much difference do you think the new tyres made? I would expect them to make it feel like a completely different car.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60207
http://www.fia.com/sport/Champ ... /F1/formula_one_2011.html

Didn't see some of those ideas coming. Some interesting stuff.

I think the FIA are fundamentally thinking in the right direction. F1 cars need to be faster in corners than Formula Fords, downforce is the only way to do this, but downforce causes huge problems for racing itself ---> FIA floor with turbulence sensor and auto ride height adjustment.

Last edited by J.B., Thu 28 Jun 2007, 16:45.

That slipper clutch is either in reality a CVT or it's converting lots of power to heat. Or it's magic.

Last edited by J.B., Mon 25 Jun 2007, 22:45.

BBT:

I think the fundamental question you are asking is: "Why doesn't constant power cause constant acceleration?"

And the answer to this question can be found easily by looking at it from an energetic point of view. The amount of energy that you need to accelerate an object from v1 to v2 is 1/2*m*(v2^2 - v1^2). This means that the amount of energy that is needed to cause a given difference in velocity (v2 - v1) is not constant. The faster v1 is, the more energy you will need to get to v2.

In english: it's harder to accellerate when you are already going fast. That means your single gear vehicle will accelerate worse at peak power than at peak torque but this is because it's going a lot faster at peak power than it was at peak torque.

Last edited by J.B., Mon 25 Jun 2007, 22:17.

Quote from drinklime :

Pussies. Obviosly need to go through UK karting before they can become real men.

With an infinately stiff car it wouldn't even be scraping: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... ;mode=related&search=

LOL, I'm posting an awful lot of videos these days.

Quote from xpjames :

Are you being serious?????

Yes, why do you ask? He didn't seem to damage one of the remaining corners on impact but it looks like he was trapped in the gravel.

Quote from deggis :

But that wouldn't happen if the damage modelling is realistic or "logical" enough.

True. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think it's that far off how it is now. Anyone seen this clip before? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZFXcsmqMqc

Quote from deggis :

But extremely vulnerable http://youtube.com/watch?v=MWkXTPIVZEk

OT: Ouch, what exactly happened? The wheel didn't get fixed properly? Couldn't he limp back on three wheels.

Quote from deggis :

How come it's less realistic?

Because if we start seeing people retire all the time because of damaged suspensions without having a real crash then that would be something you don't see often in real life. Racing cars are very very strong nowadays.

Quote from deggis :

Why? Because the non-existent damage allows that (chicanes I mean) and also because of longitudinal grip.

Yeah I think it's something to do with tyre grip. It seems if you are too fast for a corner it's better to increase steering lock to brake the car than to lift off. I haven't looked at any data yet though.

Quote from deggis :

One way to look at it but still doesn't make much sense.

Why not? I was just trying to point out that changing the damage system in such a way that you can destroy your suspension by hitting kerbs on the track would make LFS less not more realistic in most cases. But it's more a problem of the Fern Bay kerbs being too high than a damage problem.

What would be more interesting to LFS realism is to find out why so many corners (especially chicanes) can be taken flat out in LFS that I doubt would be possible in real life.

I don't think damage is a big deal. On real race tracks you won't often find kerbs on those you can actually damage your suspension and it can take quite a beating anyway. For example Hamilton clipped the barriers during the monaco grand prix more than once. Also overrevving engines and wearing out clutches aren't issues in most modern race cars.

And it's not like suspension damage is missing in LFS anyway. I've broken my suspension on a kerb in a longer league race at least once.

It's just a raw recording of the race as it was broadcast on TV and reduced to the onboard shots afterwards. While I would also have enjoyed less jumping I think I have never seen a race where the TV director actually spent such a large amount of time in one car so I can't complain.

Quote from Clownpaint :

I didn't see much overtaking though.

In that race he came from 26th to 10th so you're right, you don't see much of that in the clip. But you do see about 4 overtakes which isn't bad for a downforce car at Hungaroring.

What exactly does totally beside mean? And where?

Quote from ayrton senna 87 :

My point is that EVERYONE who races in real life at a decent level is saying that it is right

I guess you missed the screenshot I posted of how Fisi does not sqeeze Button. Or maybe F1 isn't a decent level. UK karting is probably more decent.

Quote from Michael Denham :

Anyone who has watched him race in the past have any comments on this?

Decide for yourself. 6 minutes of LH hamilton onboard in Hungary last year, coming from the back:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5JP3GKZG

Quote from keiran :

Now how are they going to decide which one carries less fuel than the other to have the better chance of pole...

Yep. Shows how messed up the qualifying system has been for the last years. WTF does anyone think that fuel loads should have any influence on qualifying? If you would do a worldwide poll max and bernie would be the only 2 to vote yes.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

and then they bring his pit stop forward and wreck the whole thing!

Is that a fact? Haven't heard about it.

Quote from Michael Denham :

Yeah, it would have been much more interesting if there were close battles between Hamilton and Alonso as well as Massa and Raikonnen, as well as a few others further back. Oh wait, that DID happen.

I don't know why it's so fashionable to knock F1, but I really enjoyed the race. And same with Hamilton. It's cool to say, 'well he's good but I dunno how good he is', 'he didn't really impress me', etc. Well, he's been on the podium in every race, for two races in a row he's started from pole and won, and in this last race he held off the 2-times world champion without too many problems. Sure, all drivers in F1 are pretty damn good to even get in F1, but a lot of others would have made mistakes in the same situation Hamilton was in. And for this to be a boring race, well what needs to happen to make it an interesting one? There was action all the way through the race, lots of passing.

Maybe saying all F1 races are boring and not impressive is a way of making oneself feel better than others, like they need an even better race than everyone else in order to enjoy it, in some elitist kind of way. Or perhaps F1 is just not their cup of tea and should try something else.

Viper, this whole post is not directed at you personally, just my general feelings on the topic...the only part that was directed at you was the first bit about the second half of the race.

You nailed it. Anyone who thinks that race was boring or that LH and FA are not great drivers needs to stop following Motorsports.

Quote from ayrton senna 87 :

i bet u dont do very well


the reason why fisi didnt squeeze button, is because to squeeze button would have meant fisi going off the racing line, and visa versa.

Debunked: both incidents in same corner.




And for comparision the racing line for that corner (that Fisi didn't use because Button was alongside him).

Last edited by J.B., Sun 17 Jun 2007, 19:46.

Quote from Alan Dove :

He could have stayed on the outside, there is grip there.....

I'm quite certain that's not the case. There may be grip there but he turned in too early to be able to take the line around the outside fast enough to keep up with you.

About USGP: Fisi could have sqeezed Button at least once and he did in fact lose a position by not squeezing but managed to get it back through the slipstream on the long straight.

Trulli on the other hand did squeeze Webber and kept his position by doing that.

So yes, sqeezing is an effective strategy and no, not all racing drivers share the opinions of some LFS karters.

Last edited by J.B., Sun 17 Jun 2007, 20:08.