Yeah, the new tyre physics may improve the tyre marks as well... However, I don't find the marks too much, it's just that they're too dark at the lower levels (they should start barely visible)...

Quote from MadCat360 :

I don't really understand that. If the body is leaning less then the G forces are less. If the G forces are less then the MPH is less for the same corner or radius. If the MPH is less the average MPH goes down, so does lap time.

No, you're forgetting tyre load sensitivity: the more you load a tyre, the less (relative) traction it will have - thus it's best to load inside and outside tyres evenly...

I'd imagine most WR will stay at about the same level and if they go down, it'll be only slightly...

What will change radically are how people will set their diffs - locked diffs should be gone with the new patch...

Quote from samjh :

Awesome work by Fisichella and Force India! The bookies must be banging their heads on their desks.

Now, the BMWs... are they back in the game? They seem to come and go.

Nicky Lauda commented that due the low temperatures in Spa, the "rubbish cars that always struggled with tyre temperature suddenly have their temperatures in the operating window"... Could be an explanation - we'll see if they suck in Monza again...

Quote from Highside! :

I've been working on a goal of trying to master the XFG @ Blackwood, and so far I've gotten into the 33.5's. As I've been focusing on using every inch of track surface to shave off time, I'm having a lot of trouble with the car sliding as a result of touching dirt. I can clip a small amount of grass in a corner, run all the way down a long straight, and then slide off of the track as if I hit a patch of oil in the next corner. I've also noticed that sometimes you only have to touch a rumble strip to put the tires into "dirt mode". Is this just poor implimentation of the effects of dirt on tires, or is there something I'm not getting?

If you have the dirt indicator in the F9 display showing that your tyres are indeed dirty, then yes - otherwise you're probably experiencing the effect a cambered corner has on handling...

Quote from Highside! :

I'll do some racing tonight and try to capture an example on a replay. The final left hander before start/finish is the main area that I seem to get dirt without touching dirt. If I run a bit wide and put 2 wheels on the rumble strip, the car will then push the front end a bit in turn 1. Maybe there is some sort of setup issue involved with what is happening, but I believe I'm using the most recent Nilex set from Team Inferno, so I would think that setup is as good as any. Although I see replays of the fastest guys taking liberties in the same spots I am, but it doesn't seem to have nearly as drastic of an effect on their cars.

You're sure you haven't clipped the grass a bit by ramming over that curb and presumably be launched in the air quite a bit? The faster guys may already take that bit of dirt into account already and/or are just plain faster through the corner even with dirty tyres...

Quote from tinvek :

going slightly off topic, i wish lfs could gain a couple of different ovals, just so epople could have the chance to experience the differing natures of oval racing on different tracks, the current oval just lends itself to the "all they do is go flat out and turn left" argument a bit too easily, something similar to any 2 from milwaukee, bristol, lowes or phoenix would show the differnt natures of ovals

While it seems that Scavier don't really have a clue about ovals (let's face it, KY is probably the worst oval to be had), it seems iRacing equally has no idea about road races... Brake lights and yellows shouldn't have taken a year to implement, and plain stupid ideas like a "furled black flag" that still are in the sim are evidence that somebody didn't think road racing through AND didn't make the effort to research RL rules to see how a specific situation would be handled in a real series...

And here some free buckets and spades for the inevitable sandbox-fights over Ferrari vs. McLaren or whatever:



Don't be too shy to grab them, you all know you want it!

Quote from ANAMENOONEHAD :

its really a bummer you can have all the new cars you like and physics but if its on the same tracks it will get boring.

New physics mean that you may have to treat the tracks in a completely different manner, effectively making them new - so what's your gripe?

Quote from Luke.S :

Am I the only one who think blueflame has turned into a knob lately?

Lately? When did he change?

Quote from _celldweller :

What you guys aren't realizing here is that although it may not look like it's realistic in THOSE videos, we don't know what the game settings were at that moment. The game will allow various levels of difficulty.

Contradicts the answer of a Shift-dev in a Gamespot interview to "never want to punish a player" - proper sim goes out the window right there...

Quote from shurcooL :

However, it seems that 90 degrees is pretty limiting. It's not even possible to check your blind spot.

Not really - if I watch my opponent wander out from my rear view mirror and I still can't see him when I look to the side, I know he's in my blind spot... That's just logical... Knowing him (or not) then defines my next action...

Quote from shurcooL :

Does it have to do something with helmets and race car seats/seatbelts not letting the driver turn around as much as in a real car?[...]So why 90 degrees? Is this change explained in the patch notes somewhere, any words from the developers, or is there an obvious answer to it...?

Yes, and iirc Scawen used exactly that example when the new look system was introduced - in the road cars, you should even get the same view you had pressing both look buttons when you now press your (newly assigned) rear view button...

Quote from carey :

but I’m pleased the idea of banning tyre warmers has gone, as with slicks drivers have had real trouble after pitting.

I may start to sound like a broken record: every other series where tyre warmers are not allowed manages fine! And it's not just sports cars like Le Mans, but also iirc Open-Wheelers like the Renault World Series... Are you implying their drivers there are better than F1's?

Quote from Mustafur :

damn this sounds good!


http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/8/9762.html

Well, of course - if refueling stays banned for 2010 (I hope it is still there) there is no point in letting everyone go out with a full tank in Q3...

Quote from AndroidXP :

(s)he could've had a gender reassignment surgery.

I'm not familiar with the regulations, but is that possibility even thought of in the rules? It might well be a loophole South Africa is using here...

Quote from Arsenic_Fox :

... better than throwing it repeatedly against a wall and nothing happening now isn't it mr. negative.

Exactly, it should have been done years ago - other titles have shown that it was possible even then...

Quote from Arsenic_Fox :

they still have plenty of time to release it. Hopefully they'll add deformation.

Probably just wanted to show that it was in the works... > > You know he won't show us deformations unless it's done right... you should know him..

Oooh, deformation... Anything more than just visual bling maybe? Then it would be "done right" - this is a joke as it is now...

Just seen another "damage" trailer over at virtualr - now the bonnet has come open, yet even after some high-speed straights it stays perfectly upright - the hinges are strong on this one... :spvader:

Quote from PaulC2K :

Cam footage from todays GC, shows damage apparently (havent seen yet, paused to post this) and the quality is stable/solid.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/gc-09-gran-turismo/54450
aww, now i gotta comment after seeing that clip!
Damage looks very impressive, (unlike the drivers driving ) although the door bit does concern me (you'll see). VERY nice touch with the movable objects in there, the red/white barrier that get clipped, and then the lightweight barriers which get knocked around.
I cant recall if ive heard if the damage goes beyond visuals though.

Driver repeatedely throws the car against a concrete barrier and the only damage he gets is a hanging off front bumper and doors flinging open, but not even a scratch otherwise - you call that impressive? Colin McRae Rally 3 did that shit, and more! That was how many years ago? 5?

Team Name: Guglhupf Racing Team
Car Number: 37
Drivers:
G.Haiderer [Isehwurscht] AUT
R.Karner [climbs] AUT
R.Pirringer [Brilwing] AUT
B.Bendl [bbman] AUT

Quote from SchneeFee :

In Rookie and D Licence Level Yes. Thats where everyone has to get through. In higher Classes (C, B, A) T1 are cleaner than IRL.

Right, that's why in only 3 of my last 10 races (NOT Rookie or D) have I NOT been collected by some hothead in T1... And no, SOF was OK as well before you bring that as your next argument...

Quote from SchneeFee :

try this: http://www.iracing.com/

Nope, same old Lap 1 incidents, same divebombing into the turns and you still get used as a brake - I haven't seen any cleaner racing over there, the only difference is that after one of those accidents you'll have to wait at least an hour to race again...

Little miffed about taking away the sequential shifter - THE best thing about the G25 was that you could emulate every type of shifting, and me being a GT-enthusiast the sequential shifter still is the most used by me...

Quote from DarinSRT :

We have one of.. if not THE first review of the G27 up now !!

http://www.insidesimracing.tv

I'm missing the comparison to the GT3RS in your review, since it was clear the G27 isn't much more than an uprated G25... I mean, that's basically the big question when you're deciding on a new (affordable) high-quality wheel...

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Epic lol!

Brilliant execution Velociround!

Quote from ACCAkut :

The only car that comes close to this idea atm is the VLN Gaia Gumpert Apollo, that ran at the 2008 24h Nürburgring, but it had to retire due to petrol engine problems.

Nope, it ripped the (planetary) diff to shreds in just a few laps - and it finished (ran the last lap after spending the big majority of the race in its pitbox)...

Somebody has a way to get decent FFB? When I turn the FFB down, I don't feel anything from the tyres anymore - if I leave it default, all hell brakes loose when I touch a curb and my wheel tries to break my wrist...

I'm usually not a man of rumors, but look who's back at the gamescom (former Games Convention):

http://gamescom.ausstellerdaten.de/index.php#ad_1249893696

Edith: As the site seems incapable of rendering the URL it displays me everytime I click the exhibitor, here a screenshot (NOT translated for TVE, but I think you'll manage )

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Quote from AndroidXP :

Honestly, I think it's more to do with ones mind than having an actual physical reason. You want to believe... no, you know that a worn tyre makes you faster so in the end you are faster. Suddenly in your mind the worn tyre actually made you faster, whereas it was probably just you believing in yourself resulting in better driving. And with that you have the self-reinforcing "evidence" of worn tyres making someone faster, where there can hardly be found any measurable effect of tyre wear itself.

Nah, the lesser heat capacity definitely makes a difference - if your tyres can cool between the corners you'll be able to push more than with a full tread... For example, the temperature will steadily increase in those long fast corners of KY GP on fresh rubber - a worn tyre can cool down even on those short straights...

Quote from AndroidXP :

Of course doing a RAF extract of the worn tyres could bring some light into that, but... the problem is to acquire worn tyres in the first place.

If it needn't be a specific setup, why not ask for longrun-tests in any endurance league forum?