Before patch Y I think the devs said a few of the interiors were done and ready but the FBM meant that these had to be implemented in a later patch. Do you think we can expect to see them in the next patch? I don't mind waiting for the game to develop, it's fantastic watching it grow and it really is the best Sim ever. I just wondered if this content was put off for a reason? The quality of the FBM interior is excellent. Obviously physics etc are far more important but if the interiors are done and ready it seems a shame to not put them in unless it was just a time problem getting them 100% ready for patch Y.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Do you have Senna's book? I can't find a copy, and I want one. Fancy selling?

Sorry, think I'm going to keep hold of this one. I only just bought it before xmas and it cost me £120. Was an ebay job. I havn't read it all yet but with my first ever race a few weeks away I need to hurry up and finish it. I need all the help I can get I'm very anxious......any tips?

Quote from tristancliffe :

Which shows how little they must understand... I they NEVER deviate from the shift light point, then put the limiter 250rpm higher to protect against pointless over-revs that will only hurt an engine rather than producing more wheel effort.

Here. here. In Ayrton Senna's driving principle's book. (The only book that he co wrote) he goes into great detail about how a rev limiter should be used just above the optimum shift point and without it, it would have the engineers cringing in the pit lane waiting for the sound of a huge engine failure!!! A rev limiter shouldn't weigh anything as its usually in the ECU code & mapping. Each to their own I guess but I'm pretty sure 99 out of 100 race drivers would agree that a rev limiter is crucial. You say they toughen up the engines in drifting which is fair enough as I'm guessing they are pretty highly tuned but EVERY engine no matter what state of tune it's in still has an optimum shift point and a point where a limiter should be put so as to not destroy the engine by deliberate or accidental damage by over revving.

i know what you are saying NanG. Before in LFS you could drift for ages because the engine would keep revving and keep the wheels spinning at very high rps's but now it's different. When the wheels spin too much and the engine speed increases it hits the cars limiter and stops the wheels and engine from accelerating anymore and so making the drift a lot harder to maintain. Yes it makes it harder to drift but I think it's more realistic. In real life most cars have limiters and if you are drifting them you will have to account for this too. I have been watching motorsport for over 15years and I can't remember ever seeing a race car without a limiter. I also have my National B race licence and I would hate to have a race car without a limiter. It's there for a reason to stop your engine from destroying itself. Car's have maximum power at a certain rpm and usually drop-off very quickly. On a lot of Honda's at 7800rpm bhp is 170 but at 8800rpm its about 135bhp and so its much much better to change gear and use the torque or change your gear ratios. I don't know much about drifting but I can't see a reason for taking a limiter off a car and rev it past what it was safely designed to do and get less power than if you just change gear. Please elaborate....as I'd love to know why anyone would do that?

Yes I also agree. LFS does a fantastic job at simulating open diffs. In real life I have driven many FWD cars that spin the inside wheel. When i owned a Honda Integra Type R with a helical LSD however it really showed up how bad most FWD cars really are.

Thankyou Scawen & Co. Fantastic news. I'm very very excited, the updates in this new patch are exactly what I have been wanting for some time now.

Can't believe nobody has mentioned that now cars have real redlines. This update has been asked for a long long time and now it's in along with the engine damage. Can't wait.... and xmas isn't exactly a long way away too.

Happy birthday Scawen have a good day and thanks for giving me so many happy times with a steering wheel.

Maybe we will get a development update sometime soon explaining what the devs have been working on like the old days when they used to do this every so often on the main page. Whatever the updates are I'm sure they will be fantastic additions, I can't wait.

Quote from Glenn67 :

And you base that on what?

While I can agree with you that some old timers have drifted away, there is still many that are here and active.

Also from my recolections LFS's user base is stronger than ever. Last nights peek was 1400 racers, back when I joined in 2004 a good night was 700. That tells me while some older ones may get bored an move on there's more than enough new blood to keep things going

I guess I almost class for an "oldie" and I'm still loving LFS as much as the day I first played. I have in noway become bored. I'm just excited for the next update. Also I bet as soon as a new update/patch is released the "oldies" that have become bored will come flooding back. It's just human nature, some people get bored quicker than others but as soon as there is something new to try, their back.

Quote from tristancliffe :

I get the impression Mike that LFS isn't really for you, and you don't understand the driving principles behind it.

I agree. It's not about doing things that are different to GT5. You don't seem to get LFS. I have plenty of friends that don't get LFS either yet play GT4 all the time. They say LFS is too hard and too realistic and so it becomes not fun. But myself as a true racing enthusiast I enjoy the realistic physics and can't wait for more. Realism isn't about a list of real life car's.

LFS fills the gap in the market where people find games like GT4 boring and unrealistic. LFS is the only game I enjoy playing more now than I did 3years ago. All my other games are on a dusty shelf never to be played again.

Long live LFS.

Quote from Dajmin :

And there we go. About halfway down the second page this argument suddenly devolvs into yet another "LFS roolz, rCraptor sux" "no, LFS sux, rfactor iz t3h W!nz" argument.

Shame, up until then it had been okay. Strange that the argument should once again head that way since the OP was about new stuff in LFS. It was a repeat post, but at least it was about LFS.

Here here! Another repeated thread gone downhill with a slagging match.

Boring! :tombstone

I know if I'd just spent the last 4 or 5 years developing a really good quality online driving simulator I'd hate to go on you tube and see it ruined by loads of crap attempts at maxxed out integra's playing destruction derby. Can see the comment's now......."man what is that crap game those cars look sooooo lame". I'd feel sick. I know some talented people could make really nice models but the vast majority would be really bad and just put the game down.

I'm sure the next patch will be exciting. Everyone needs to just wait a bit, it will be worth it...

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Quote from danworth :

you're not the only one, no doubt a majority of sim racers use that view, i do and do for any racing game. all i'm saying is that it does matter for some people including me, if it was released i can imagine a few more ppl would buy the game.

It's not always about flogging as many copies as they can. I'm sure if it was about volume of sales the game would look very need for speed indeed.

I think this should be moved to the suggestion forum. It's a good idea which has been asked many times before but is unlikely to be implemented until the game is finished.

I would like changing weather conditions, working wipers, more tracks, more cars, improved graphics, better more realistic physics, motion gear changes in incar view etc etc etc. But I know that I have to either wait for these things to be developed or accept they may never be implemented. There's no point in whinging, just let the devs do their job. Like I said before, if everyone asked for just a little bit of this or just a little bit of that, a quick add on or change here etc then real LFS development would ground to a standstill. All good things come to those who wait...

Quote from Gibslime :

OK,I agree myself that car model mod isnt such a good idea,but,why is such a bad idea to enrich the games with some "fun" (for someones) addons?Whats the bad thing about it?

Oh,PS,

I dont think that answering one question that is asked every now and then is something that would take up that ammount of time and I might sound mean or somethin,but,70 % ppl here have paid for a licence so at least they diserve a answer (either a positive or a negative one - as long as they answer).Im not a lisenced user as you can see of course,but If I were one,I would kindly ask for one single answer.Am I wrong?Of course Devs have more important things to do,got real lifes to take care but hey,it will only take a min or two to explain this thing.

Anyway,Cheers!

The thing is though if they take the time to answer one or two questions then people will say it's not fair that they won't answer their specific question. It snowballs and eventually a lot of time will be wasted in trying to explain to people why certain things are or not possible in LFS and then why they won't answer every question. So the best way is to say nothing. Then no-one expects an answer. The only problem with that is threads like this appear but the devs have said on many occasion they make this game the way they want and not how someone else wants. And because of this attitude and way of development it is a much better game for it.

Quote from Dajmin :

It's not about reputation, it's about development.

If they allowed mods now, people would mod the game. They'd add cars and make them handle the way they interpret them to IRL (which is a debate in itself).

But wait! Along comes a physics mod and suddenly 500 modders have a completely useless product. They can no longer run them online like they did before, the cars no longer behave the way they used to and those modders have to start rebuilding and redistributing their product. Which could be a lot of work if you've modded a load of different things.

And where's the first place they'll complain? That's right, here. We'd suddenly have a deluge of "my mod doesn't work now" and "why did you change feature x?" posts, clogging the forums up with more spam than we get already.

It makes far more sense to me to get the base vanilla product complete before you allow people to change things that are still in development.

And anyway, how do you know these cars aren't just placeholders for when S3 is finally finished? How do you know you're not going to log into the forums one day to see the XFG replaced by a Ford Focus or a FZ5 replaced by a Porsche Carrera or Ferrari F360? I'm not saying it's even on the cards, but you never know what the Scavier guys are going to pull out of the hat.

Well said. This guy has it sussed. It is a silly idea to allow random people to change a game that is still early in it's development. LFS is the best driving game ever made by a mile. I for one trust and agree with every single thing that the devs have done so far. If they don't allow us to mod everything and havn't explained why I'm sure there's a very good reason why not. Why should they explain these things anyway?! If they explained why every little suggestion was a good or bad idea they would have no time left for anything else.

This game doesn't need people adding 3rd party cars and add-ons. It would soon become fast & furious tokyo drift and steal a lot of potential racer's off server's to go and drive a crap re-make of their favourite hot hatch. It was never meant to be like this. It was and still is meant to be an online racing simulator with people driving similar car's at their limit around a track.

The game is fantastic as it is and getting better all the time. Topics like this are only slowing the devs down...

Quote from Dajmin :

Fern Bay Green.
I don't know what it is about the FE tracks that I like, but I love 'em

With you all the way. Fern Bay just feels the best for me.

Quote from faster111 :

what?

Cheer up faster 111

I usually can't be bothered with the stress of racing online all the time. So improvements to the A.I. is fantastic news to me. I seriously can't wait. I use the A.I everyday and still find it fun racing them in slower cars. Just wish they had knowledge of me and where I am on track.

Quote from angrysasquatch :

I guess this counts as news:

http://www.bungie.net/News/con ... ype=topnews&cid=12362

Just scroll to the bottom to get to what you care about. This is the newest weekly update for the popular Xbox 360 game Halo 3 (I'm sure you've heard of it). The weekly update is read by thousands of nerds like me weekly. Enjoy!

PS. Can the maker of that skin hook me up? I'd so drive that!

I just noticed this too I was like whaaat thats lfs crazyyy!

Sorry but I don't agree with this idea! Sounds like NFS to me.

Don't usually post as I never have problems and don't like to clog forums up with hundreds of thankyou's but felt it my duty this time. Yet again this is another fantastic update. I like the little bit of insight too as to what you will be working on next. Running very smooth also. Thanks again Scawen and co for making and improving the best car simulator in the world. Alric.

Quote from Alric :

ok had my G25 for a few months trouble free but now reverse wont work. I'm going to try and open it up and have a look. Does anyone know what I'm looking out for? what would have broken for it to suddenly stop working? Am i looking out for microswitches? springs? what?

Thanks for any help.

ANyone????

ok had my G25 for a few months trouble free but now reverse wont work. I'm going to try and open it up and have a look. Does anyone know what I'm looking out for? what would have broken for it to suddenly stop working? Am i looking out for microswitches? springs? what?

Thanks for any help.

Quote from Gizz :

so is LFS getting old? i thinks its just starting, if this was a EA game i promise you it would be gathering dust on some top shelf with the rest of the money wasters... in years to come im positive that if the devs continue with this the way they are LFS will still be going strong -er) and will be a classic,..

i say lets enjoy being part of this becasue you dont get this happen very offten in this day and age....

long live LFS

Agree 100% well said!

Am i the only person that races from the 3rd person view just behind and above the car instead of the cockpit view?illepall