The problem is in my eyes the fact that Scawen needs to sooner rather than later get the tyre physics to a satisfactory level. Something that is a good improvement over the old physics but isn't perfect.

It would be a real shame if he kept trying to improve them year on year and didn't work on any other part of the game. He could spend a lifetime on tyre physics and still never get them 100% like real life or like he wanted.

We all think the tyre physics are the single most important thing in the game and in my eyes even the old physics are the best of any game ever made but there's no denying we would also love new features like weather, new tracks, car's, brake temps etc etc. If all these are being held up because of the physics then that's a real shame as I'd pay right now for new content.

I'm hoping this is already done and waiting for the new patch. It was some time ago the other interiors were updated and I remember Scawen mentioning something about the other ones being ready for another patch. Lets hope it's the next one. Some confirmation would be nice though. I don't care if they havn't been updated but it would be nice to know either way.

Quote from DEVIL 007 :

+1 from me for doing something for comunity.

Also agreed! This kind of thing really means a lot. Just like the Autocross competition a while back. Fantastic.

Quote from DieKolkrabe :

Okay, maybe I'm wrong about it but IIRC Scavier don't work like that, i.e.we didn't get S2 preview shots (but I may well be wrong).

Personally, I'm neutral whether S3 comes out, there's a lot of S2 stuff I've not tried, If S3 doesn't come out for whatever reason, S2 has a lot of depth

Well it really is a long time ago but we did get a lot of screenshots and a lot of updates regarding development process. Maybe because it was smaller parts of the sim that were being developed so Scawen & Co had something to write about I don't know.

But I do remember some screenshots being released before S2 with S2 content and someone spotting a new car. The buzz and hype was fantastic.

I've got every faith we will see a patch with the new physics but I'm not sure we will get a lot of new content any time soon.

I must admit, if I had been spending a lot of my spare time working on designing tracks & cars for a game I'd be very very excited to show previews of my work, ask for feedback about what the community want etc. Instead we got that horrible post and then nothing...

I hope there are better days again for lfs because it really does deserve it.

Thanks devs for the update.

I really hope 2011 is the year we get new physics and content. LFS is fantastic but like everything it needs new challenges and features. It's great you are spending time on the most important thing the tyre physics but hopefully there isn't too long left to get them good enough so time can be spent on other things to make the sim a better all round package.

I don't know what version you use but I imagine its with the improved physics so keep remembering we are still driving about on the old physics with the old content for a long long time.

I also know you don't like writing reports very often but that was a great read. Exactly the stuff I wanted to know, except I wished there was a rough idea on how far the physics were until complete. Just so we can expect months or years really.

Anyway keep up the good work and reports. Happy LFS user!

Quote from thezero :

This game is becoming a joke.

No matter how good it is, comunication between developers and customers is terrible.

I know the devs don't do progress reports because they don't want to write a book about the development of the game but I think 90% of people here would be happy with something like:

"This month I worked on the tyre physics again, I tried a new way of punctures that didn't work and continued with other aspects of the tyres simulation. Victor developed a new record system for making videos and Eric made some new textures in his spare time. We think the next patch will still be about 8-10months away."

Surely something like that every now and again wouldn't take more than 5 mins and make the whole forum a better place.

Quote from Amynue :

From reading Scawen's posts I very much doubt he would release a patch if unfinished just because it's the 2nd to last friday of the year. Sorry to sound negative but the lack of content or things for us to try in a progress report with little information from the devs then negativity becomes inevitable.

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Intredpid, you talk a lot of sence. You seem to be able to put what I think in a better way! Agree with you completely.

And that's one of the problems 5haz, I totally agree more of the academic jobs need people to go to uni first but the problem is the illusion that EVERYONE HAS to go to uni because it's just what you do and because they don't really know what to do with their lives they end up doing a meaningless degree and waste the taxpayers money.

Last edited by Alric, Wed 15 Dec 2010, 16:55.

Debt is the reason this Country is in such a mess.

Therefore forget uni and do a work based apprenticeship instead!

Get the skills, get the job, don't have the debt and get paid more at the end.

But you don't seem to get that you only have to start paying it off once you start earning over £21,000 a year.

Do you not agree earning a lot but owing more is better than owing less and earning nothing?

I still believe that there are better ways than uni full stop to get into most job sectors.
We need to stop students choosing what uni they go to depending on what the night life is like in each city.

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Quote from 5haz :

It'll discourage some hard working people too, surely raising the required grades would be a much fairer way of weeding out those who are going to waste time and money. I don't understand why nobody has even given this idea the slightest consideration?

Not if they have faith in their ability to finish the course well and get a good job at the end and therefore pay off the loan no problem.

I totally agree with you that raising the grades required should be done. I honestly don't know why they don't but I suppose it may be looked at in the future as A level results get better and better year on year.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

I find it completely irresponsible to encourage school leavers to begin their professional lives with five-figure debts as if it's a perfectly sensible and normal thing for people to do.

And that's why I support the tuition fees protests.

The only friend of mine who didn't go to uni and did an apprenticeship has learnt his skills whilst being paid. Finished with zero debt and now gets paid an amazing amount of money much more than if he had gone to uni and got the degree and job that way. More people should do this but it did mean he couldn't get pissed 5 nights a week and get up at 1 everyday.

Voilence is a totally different matter. I believe punishments should be much much higher!

But back to the uni issue this new policy is great and should stop a few people going to uni just for a good time like they do now which can only be a good thing for everbody.

I have no problem paying for someone to learn at university.
I do have a problem with paying for someone at uni to get pissed 5 nights a week.

I sound steretypical but when I've visited my mates at different unis I've seen it with my own eyes on several occasions. It's great fun going out with them so I can see why they do it but at the same time it makes me sad that the taxpayer is basically paying for their fun when they have no real intention of doing the work or using the degree if they get it.

Quote from Intrepid :

People don't hate students as such. They just hate having to pay for them!

Nail on the head! People with jobs working hard and paying tax having to pay for a lot of students who have no intentions other than to get pissed for a few years and have a laugh until they have to get a real job. Winds me up! Half of me wishes I'd have done the same as my mates so someone else could have paid for me to get wasted and party 5 nights a week.

Quote from 5haz :

A lot of people don't like students because of ignorance and ill informed stereotypes.

I'm sure theres many reasons but for me and my student friends it just annoys me that they only wanted to go to uni to get pissed and so basically be a burden on the average tax payer.

The reason a lot of people don't like students is probably the reasons like this: Most of my friends are students or have been and finished uni who have also come from totally different backgrounds (rich and poor). Yet none of them have made anything out of their degree and are all worse off for going to uni financially. However all of them said they love it or would go back tomorrow just for the getting pissed and pulling girls. I love them to bits but surely from a government point of view it's not right that a good 10-15 of my college friends have gone to uni for the sole reason of getting a big 'free' student loan and getting wasted wayyyyy! So this new policy in my eyes is a great start.

Quote from DevilDare :

Come again? How so?

"Oh. You paid 9K to learn this stuff. You absolutely must know it and be good at it then."

Thats plain stupid.

And if that is the case, then it would explain for all the idiots working jobs they have little to no interest in, nor the skills required.

It's simple maths....(nothing about knowing your degree)

Imagine if there's 400 people all with the same degree all going for the same job. Now imagine if theres 200 people all with the same degree going for the same job. They will have twice the odds of getting the job.

But lets look at the outcome if a student had gone to uni and got the degree at the end with both policies.

Old policy - They have smaller debt but less chance of getting a job due to saturation.

New policy - They have a larger debt but more chance of getting a job due to degree value going up.


I know I'd rather have the better odds of getting the job I spent the last 3 or 4 years building up for and then have to pay back a bit more than be sat fed up, not being able to get the job because somebody else out of the 700 applicants with the same degree got it instead of me.

"Earning more and owing more is better than owing less and earning nothing!"

I also agree with you that standards should be higher for people to even be accepted into uni but this new policy is a good way of getting rid of goverment spending and getting rid of people who arn't that serious at the same time.

Last edited by Alric, Wed 15 Dec 2010, 15:30.

Bean0's post explains exactly the points I'm trying to make. If students stopped jumping on the bandwagon of moaning and actually looked at the new policy then they would realise it's better for nearly all of them and the Country. But England wouldn't be England without people moaning about change for the better.

I still don't think it has anything to do with if your parents are rich or not. Remember students have to pay nothing until they earn over 21k a year. It just does my head in to have gone to different friends uni's around the Country to see most of them slack it off spending every penny they have on getting pissed, going into uni for 2 hours a week and doing hardly any course work. Friends or not I wish those places had been for people who wanted to actually work hard and get the degree and job at the end. It seems like everyone leaves school, goes to college then HAS to go to uni because it's just what everyone does for a laugh. I remember after college I was sat down and asked "if i was ok?" because I was the only one in my class that had chosen to not go to uni.

Why people don't want real skills anymore is beyond me. It seems like everyone has a physcology or photography degree that they can't use and are in massive debt yet I can't get a plumber or joiner to come to my house to do work for anything. I would pay through my front teeth for one to come quickly and do a good job but it seems by learning a trade like this means the individual will miss out on uni and the whole social side so meaningless in debt physcology degree it is for them!

Last edited by Alric, Wed 15 Dec 2010, 15:20.

I disagree, remember with the increased fees it still means your going to get the money whether your rich or poor it just means your going to have to pay more back. This means the 'Risk' is higher and will put some people off but those that really are determined to make a go of it and work hard will have more of a chance to get the job they want at the end and be able to pay the debt off. Lets also remember there are a lot of students that agree with the new policy that arn't in the spotlight because they arn't parading around London half pissed with crap signs.

I wish students would see that by increasing fees it means that less people will go to uni which puts the value of degrees up and enables the ones who really wanted the degree in the first place (not the unsure of what to do so I'll just go to uni for a bit to put off getting a real job and getting pissed 4 nights a week people) to get the high paid job they wanted at the end and then easily pay back the increased fee costs.

At the moment we have far too many people with pointless degrees all fighting for the same jobs. Lots of my friends have degrees but can't get the job they want so are in massive debt and working at places like mcdonalds.

Work based apprenticeships are the way forward. Get paid while you learn, good chance of a secure position and get a skill & job at the end rather than a piece of paper that half of the country has aswell.

hmmm the program is in his lfs project 3 folder....

However that analyser has been out since 2006 so probably not anything new?!

Last edited by Alric, Wed 15 Dec 2010, 09:53.