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ajp71
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Quote from mookie427 :guess we'll never see eye-to-eye eh?

Over what? I still don't see how it is difficult to completely separate touring cars and banger/stock car racing, one is a contact sport one is not.
ajp71
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Quote from mookie427 :I doubt you've ever seriously watched banger racing and you think it's just a bunch of thick-necked yuppies in old cars crashing into each other, well, you'd be wrong. There are a great deal of seriously talented racers in banger racing, and, sure they get moaned at on the internet for not crashing but they drive the tits off their cars better than some 'proper' racing drivers could ever hope to do

I appreciate that banger racing requires driving skill and there is a degree of engineering involved (but aside from engine building there is a limit to how technical you can make solid rear axles lifted straight out of road cars and angle grinders and hammers sound) but it is very different to circuit racing. Banger and stock car racing in all its forms in the UK involves a degree of deliberate contact at low speeds on short circuits. Circuit racing is non-contact at much faster speeds.
ajp71
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Quote from mookie427 :I don't think anything is a progression from banger racing, it's in a class of it's own.

Precisely, banger racing is not proper motor racing and should not be confused with it.

Quote :And it's generally accepted now AFAIK that BTCC/Touring Cars has a certain degree of contact involved, not full blown contact by any means but pushing and shoving to get past etc

All motor racing is strictly non-contact. Obviously in practice cars will touch in close racing but there must be no advantage gained from the contact. Things have got very bad recently and it filtered into club racing a couple of years ago in the 750MC, after several big accidents from avoidable but not intentional car to car contact people seem to have settled down, but I think it took a guy getting cut out of a car that had ploughed through a marshal post (thankfully with only minor injuries) to ram the message home. Circuit racing is relatively safe and is a non-contact activity, it gets dangerous if cars start going off in places they aren't expected to either by mechanical failure or by making contact. If you take another car out by deliberately trying to 'push or shove it to get past' you would have no defence to a charge of manslaughter should the worst happen.
ajp71
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Quote from duke_toaster :I believe popular tracks for BRISCA style "stock cars" are speedway ones e.g. 400 metres, flat as a pancake. Think running track covered with shale. I believe that some level of ramming is part of the plan. IIRC sometimes they race on tarmac. They are non-MSA as far as I know.

Stock cars are full contact and have no connection to internationally recognised motor racing bodies.
ajp71
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British stock cars are full contact and a lot slower and bigger than sprint cars AFAIK and run on shorter courses.
ajp71
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Quote from mookie427 :the people who despise any sort of contact in any sort of racing who seem to hang out on this forum

I think you're missing the point, banger racing is fun, the Brisca cars were impressive at the Autosport Show and watching banger racing at my local track on a Summers evening is amusing as well.

The issue comes when people can't separate the two, with some younger forum members thinking that Saxmax is a simple progression from banger racing and plenty of gaumless idiots thinking that contact, intenional or not, is in any way acceptable in circuit racing as has been seen in a lot of major touring car championships in recent years.
ajp71
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Quote from sam93 :
It uses these bottles, it has the same effect of NOS just a cheaper option, hopefully my car when I am older will actually be running NOS as our current car may be going and I will be getting a Corsa C instead.
http://www.sodastream.co.uk/gb ... name=CYLINDERS&Page=1

Christ that was the right website

I can't even express how retarded I think putting a CO2 cylinder into your car is because it looks a bit like a (normally badly misused) performance product. Whatever next are you going to stick Coke bottles to it?

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I don't understand why people keep throwing digs at me, my accident was very serious where I nearly died and had to have a 6 hour operation where I could of also died as they was working right next to my brain, so before you open your mouth think before you speak, if I keep getting digs about my accident I will upload a few pics of what happened to me and then that may shine some light on things.

No one is interested in the fact you cycled into a sign (which if you were paying attention you would not have hit regardless of where it had been placed). We are amused and annoyed that you had the cheek to try and sue the council on some ridiculous technicality for your financial gain at our loss.
ajp71
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Quote from sam93 :If you are talking about the NOS Purges in my Corsa thats why we replaced them with a product called SodaStream, looks exactly the same just not NOS.

Sure it gives you loads of fizz and enough powerrrrr to sue the council when you drive into the nearest tree (incorrectly positioned by an inch of course).

EDIT - good question
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ajp71
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Just buy a new one.

EDIT - sorry I got the wrong link
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ajp71
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Quote from Jordan2007 :damit i new it was something bad, i kept uninstalling it but it didnt go away!

Wow someone actually fell for a malware anti-malware program!

The only way to keep your computer clean is not to download malware in the first place, which isn't difficult. You shouldn't need any anti-malware/virus programs in the first place, they just use up resources and don't work most of the time.
ajp71
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Is there anyway of watching it over the net?

I am planning on going down tomorrow anybody else coming?

Quote from richard dk :The old Gr.C car..wauuww..

Was it a Sauber Mercedes and a Porsche who collided at T1? I was on the toilet at that time..

Please tell me the Sauber was alright? I can't wait to go and see it racing tomorrow
ajp71
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It looks like the man in charge of the Chinese car industry's cheap rip off department has come along and mashed a Seven and a 300C together with hideous results.

I think trying to look for a 'modern Seven' is silly, a Seven is the quintessential spaceframe box with for wheels two seats and an engine in the front, there's very little you can do with it to make it stiff enough to cope with high power outputs because of the highly limited space for cross bracing a full rollcage is about the only way of getting away with it. They have put carbon fibre bodywork, sequential 'boxes and very good lightweight bike derived V8s, which the design can't handle, into them. The Seven doesn't need to (and can't really) evolve into anything else it is about as simple and cheap as a car can get and should be left like that.
ajp71
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Quote from ATC Quicksilver :No complaints, so long as they don't start charging too much for the legal music and film downloads its fine.

As soon as they start offering music downloads that can be freely shared and put on different devices without copy protection I'll start buying downloads. For now I just buy a CD if I like the artist because apart from being something physical it is so much easier to rip them to a digital format. I think people should be able to share legal music downloads with friends like people do with CDs and the illegal files they download, sure it wouldn't technically be legal but if music is shared round locally the record companies still get their money.
ajp71
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Quote from sam93 :Edit: Some game sites have an option to download using a torrent as this is legal as the actual game maker is providing the torrent will ISP's still believe that you are downloading illegally.

No. Currently all that seems to be happening is the seeders of particular (illegal) torrents (music only atm it seems) are being traced and given warnings.
ajp71
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My suggestion would be not to automatically apply the handbrake ever and remove the handbrake from the single seaters and GTR cars. Instead the foot brake could be applied when necessary.
ajp71
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Quote from anttt69 :
What can I do?

Stop downloading rubbish. You have to try pretty hard to download malware.
ajp71
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Fantastic race, so much better than the F1
ajp71
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Quote from mcintyrej :
Speeding in public roads kills people, go to a trackday and you can mess about all you want and it would be hard to kill yourself unless you were trying.

Pretty stupid comment. Track days are potentially more dangerous than racing, fast cars without track safety measures and limited emergency response do not help. Whilst there are generally less small car to car incidents the possibility of high speed T bones, where a lot of fatalities occur, is just as high.
ajp71
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Quote from Homeless_Drunk :not really...

It does make a difference on the wear of the starter motor, when you're starting a car it is good practice to declutch.

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so every country that exists? all new cars have a neutral safety switch...it is there to prevent damage to the vehicle and/or operator...

New cars in the UK do not have this anti-idiot device for the American market.
ajp71
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Quote from popps258 :Watch my lips m8, I dont want freakin sympathy from no one, i accept my illness,
I can only really drive ovals and sometiimes that is difficult to do, so an extra freakin oval would help disabled people like freakin me OK and there is nothing wrong in requesting having an extra oval to help all disabled people.

Sorry but I don't think LFS is the right sim for you. iRacing offers far better oval racing with suitable cars and a wide range of tracks. I would hate to see the developers wasting any time accomodating disabled drivers by adding artificial driving aids and ovals like they seem to think they need.
ajp71
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If racing is your thing then the 750MC is probably the best place to start. Stock hatch, LoCost, MR2s, Golfs, Formula Vee and the Austin 7s could all be raced for under 5k a year and across that selection you've got everything from tin tops to single seaters to vintage racing. Some other series could be worth considering like the BMW E30 championship.

If you're not sure what you want I suggest you go to a few meetings and talk to people and see what the racing is like and find a series that suits you best, a 750 meeting would probably be the best place to start.

If you really want to run something like single seaters (as in F4 or Mono) you could do just about but bear in mind that all racing cars are very high maintenance and require a lot of time away from the track to run yourself.
ajp71
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Track days and speed events (hillclimbing or sprinting) are the cheaper options and you can do them in an unmodified road car (though for speed events it has to be standard to be exempt from having safety modifications to the car).

Track days are probably the best place to start unless you want a competitive drive because you get a lot of time for your money compared to hillclimbing, which is about as expensive as motorsport gets on a cost per mile basis. Any hatchback or reasonably sporty saloon should be fine for the first few track days and the cost of track days at good circuits (Silverstone, Donnington etc.) typically only about £250 for a (weekend) day or £125 for a (weekday) evening session. If you want something a bit more nimble and don't want to take the risk of putting your everyday motor on the line you could look at getting something like a 205, Golf, E30 or MR2, all of which would be good track cars and convienently have been raced extensively in road legal spec so you could pick up a fully prepared car in reasonable condition with all the safety modifications needed for racing and hillclimbing but still realistically able to drive it to events and remove the logistical issue of a trailer and park it on the street just like any other car. You could do this with something more substancial if you wanted to, there are several Minis, a nice mk2 Escort and a 924 that live outside near me in this kind of hillclimb/track day spec.

Autotesting is cheap but very hard on cars, you're much more likely to end up with expensive repair bills and generally age your car quicker by doing autotests than trackdays.
ajp71
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I've cancelled my iRacing subscription, not because I am not very impressed with it or because it is too expensive but because I simply don't have enough time to race it. If it was possible to race more than one track a week and race the same car more than once every 2 hours in big grids I would be more interested.
ajp71
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Very impressive, aside from the laptime it shows the Corvette is a truly capable track car, computers never make up for extra weight on a track. Just like previous Skylines, Evos and Imprezas the GTR may be technically excelent but it is boring as hell on a track and is still not going to catch well driven sportscars because with track tyres and good road surfaces there is no real issue with traction in high power sportscars anymore.

Quote from amp88 :Impressive run (he probably soiled his overalls when he almost dropped it after the foxhole!). On the telemetry it shows just under 180mph on the main straight - didn't the Yellowbird do 200mph there with 'just' 469bhp? Is this due to the Corvette's massively long gearing?

When he changed into top at 175mph just before the crest the car was actually slowing slightly so the gearing clearly wasn't perfect.

Quote from Christopher Raemisch : I know Naykid racing switched from the Vette to the Viper because of the horrible Chassis flex found in the Vette when running GT2 IIRC in the states, which they moved to the Speed World Challenge series.

They're doing something wrong then, all modern GT cars use the rollcage for torsional rigidity, mounting a cage onto a car without a conventional steel monocoque is more tricky but should be possible.
ajp71
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Quote from Shotglass :saftey requirements are vastly different though
a gravel trap works wonders when it comes to stoping a bike and a human... a more or less flat bottomed car is a different story

The Craner Curves only have a nominal gravel trap to stop cars flying across the exit of the old hairpin, normally the biggest offs only end up on the grass which there is lots and lots of, the best way to stop cars and bikes without adding silly tarmac areas or adding gravel traps (which aren't good for cars to enter sideways going downhill at nearly 200mph). Driver safety is no longer a major issue in F1, Donnington has bigger run offs than Silverstone and there are no areas where deep tyre walls couldn't be added if they were felt necessesary. Adding catch fencing is straight forward and is a nominal cost.
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