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ajp71
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It is a very good potential venue, should have most of the infrastructure already in place, a good location, should have lots of space to play with and shouldn't be hampered by the usual complaints whenever motorsport gets too near to cities.

Quote from TFalke55 :
to be serious, when bernie wants to have a french grand prix near to the capital, LeMans would be the best solution... it's only 1 1/2 h away from Paris, and LeMans loves motorsport. They could extend the Bugatti circuit a bit to one of the permanent road racing course parts of the circuit de la sarthe or so, to make it more interesting.

The Bugatti circuit is incredibly dull and should never have been allowed to host a Grand Prix. LeMans already has huge traffic and logistics issues that racing enthusiasts find part of the fun but would be off putting, I doubt too many of F1's corporate sponsors and the jet set would see the fun spending the weekend in the motoring equivilent of a festival.
ajp71
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Quote from rcpilot :How hard is it to just simply put a budget cap on teams instead of doing things year in and year out that hurt the sport itself and do nothing to alleviate spending? (When even the 'simplest' person could tell you why these ideas won't work.) These aristocrats don't have their heads screwed on right.

How do you propose to check the finances of highly secretive organisations who won't think twice about breaking every rule in the book?
ajp71
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Quote from BlueFlame :
Diesel power is still unknown to some people, sure the le-mans rules allow diesels to carry more fuel, but did that change the fact AUDI beat Peugeot anyway?

In case you didn't notice Peugeot also entered a souped up tractor. Few people are bothering investing big time in LMP1 and I doubt the few new privater projects will get much manufacturer backing now a petrol win is almost impossible.
ajp71
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12 miles to the gallon is very reasonable for circuit racing, the Focus (standard 1.6) got 13 mpg round Donington. Most race engines (even fairly standard production based ones) over 2 litres will be using a litre or more round a typical lap.

Quote from Electric Eye :straight 6 = bike engine? Do they even exist

Honda made 250cc racing straight 6s in the 1960s, but it isn't really great from a packaging point of view for bikes. The LX6 has a 1.9 litre engine (I think) and certainly isn't meant to be bike derived, probably closest in characteristics to a K series or similar light and relatively highly strung 4 cylinder engine.
ajp71
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Quote from gezmoor :Shame they were competitive against petrol engined RWD cars then huh?

When the rules are biased towards diesel engines? Then it proves nothing, you could make a steam engine win if you tweak the rules enough.
ajp71
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Quote from NotAnIllusion :I'm sure I saw practically *all* of the faster cars frantically flashing their lights to get past the slower classes in an ALMS race I watched a few weeks ago (but it was so boring I've never subjected myself to such torture since). I think even the commentator said they were doing that, didn't mention any penalties for it, almost as if it were the done thing.

You're talking cars (of different classes and vastly different speeds) lapping each other, not fighting for position. Some series require the faster classes to have headlights on in daylight anyway.
ajp71
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Quote from Dajmin :That wouldn't make much sense as a bundle deal on a new PC though. Why would you spend £500+ on a computer and then pay £1 for something you could download in a few minutes.
It's on a DVD too, surely the rF demo is that big it'd need a full DVD.

The standard demo is the full game, which is borderline on filling a CD, with a few extras it easily could need a DVD. There has been a 'lite' version released recently though which is a much smaller download without the (all rubbish) standard content.
ajp71
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Quote from sam93 :It doesn't come with a serial number, just install it and away you go, why dont you go and get one?

I'm still not convinced it is the full version of rF. Have you installed new cars and tracks? To me it just sounds like an updated version of the demo which hasn't been activated (the serial code) online, which is required to unlock the full version.
ajp71
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Quote from sam93 :I know but diesels are normally known for being slow but not so much now, even on Top Gear they said that they may soon be as quick as petrols. When I start driving though I would prefer a Petrol car.

Production car performance is defined by demand, there's no engineering issue stopping either production petrol or diesel cars from being much faster, there's just no point/demand for them.
ajp71
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Quote from Shotglass :
The Clio is well... french and I've never even heard of the Williams before.

It was a hot version of the original Clio, with a very long stroke 2 litre, very light and capable cars, rather a love hate kind of thing though. They only made a limited run so expect to pay quite a lot for an old hot hatch certainly something a little different.

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Believe it or not I have considered (without seriousness) a Lada Niva 4x4 for a bit. It is a very cool car and it stands out to the sort of people who get good humour.
But I just rememberd I forgot one important thing in my requirements:
It has to be useable on the Autobahn without keeping you in a constant state of mortal terror

What about a Talbot Sunbeam Lotus? A well sorted one will fly and you're bound to embarrass some smug Porsche drivers with it. A well sorted example should be reachable within your budget, though I'm not sure what the availability of left hand drive one is like (or if they even made them).

Quote from tristancliffe :The English have never been good at making good road cars, and the Americans have yet to actually make a decent car for road, sport or race.

There are at least two Americans who have built two of the best racing cars of all time, this one is the prettiest and this one wouldn't look out of place at Le Mans 20 years after it was built.
ajp71
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Quote from P5YcHoM4N :Ford Mondeo, RWD and it isn't German.

Sure...

If you do want something RWD and a good laugh what about getting a Lada (doesn't fill any other criteria though ).
ajp71
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If you don't want a BMW but want something that will be reasonably reliable and fun to drive then I'd seriously consider a lightish finely balanced front wheel drive car, if you want something fun and RWD (and don't want a sports car) then you probably want something older and shoddily built in the good old days of the British car industry.

I'd have said that a Mk2 Golf GTI, Mk1 Focus, Clio 172 or Williams (a bit small) would all fit those criteria pretty well.
ajp71
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Quote from sam93 :I didn't say I am going to spend half of it, most of it would go to charity and if I have kids to them.

Your still being selfish and giving the money for your gain. Just leave it and lighten the load on those who can't pay their bills as it is and stop wasting council money having to do unnecessary road maintenance to ensure they can't get sued by a 12 year old because it is technically illegal.
ajp71
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Quote from sam93 :
So as you can see I am not one of those who are selfish.

You still don't need to claim the money in the first place I don't see how spending half of it on yourself isn't selfish.
ajp71
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Quote from sam93 :
Can't you just let it drop and get on with it, when I start working I would rather pay for someones injuries then people from other countries coming in and living off of benefits that we pay for or people who dont work.

It is the legal immigrants who probably patched you up and gave you your 'I'm a brave little boy' sticker, and are paying for your hospital treatment and pocket money fund.
ajp71
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Quote from Intrepid :You clearly didn't read what I wrote. I said entry level car racing is completely useless for someone wanting to get into F1. Classes like MonoPosto, club F Ford etc... are not useful as the standard is way too low.

It has nothing to do with driving standard, which is usually (but not always) far better in club racing than with some over keen pubescent teens who think real cars are like go karts and spend half the time crashing into each other proving they really can't handle it. Club racing attracts anyone young and old who wants to go racing on a modest budget without a load of kids spinning in front of them and without misguided desires to get paid to race. Certainly the front drivers in the F4 grid would have no problem clearing up in typical entry level single seaters and did, just like most people they eventually had to accept that whilst they could win in karts and entry level single seaters there just aren't enough paid drives to be able to climb the ladder simply on raw talent.

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I STATED that F BMW would be the lowest car series someone would want to enter, and that costs MORE than karting. I was countering what Becky was saying about entry level cars being cheaper. I said there is NO car series WORTH doing for a driver that's cheaper than competitive karting.

And I stated you were wrong... Formula BMW has produced relatively few good drivers so far, most of them seem to spend most of the time upside down and the cars are far too sophisticated for there own good, other companies such as Speads produce much faster single seaters with less exotic materials for less than £30000 ready to race, they would make a far better base for a single make series than Formula BMW. As I have several times though FPA already offers a high profile championship for less than a kart season.

Quote from Intrepid :For shits and giggles? That's why Schumacher angered some at Ferrari when he spent so much time preparing for the Kerpen round of the 2001 World Championship. Even going to the lengths of hiring Kerpen and restricting testing for rival teams... With an F1 title to win he still invested MUCH time in some pissy go-cart race... what an IDIOT!

When you're winning F1 titles with ease you can afford to go and play with some toys.
ajp71
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Quote from sam93 :Wasting hospital time?

By being there for such a retarded reason in the first place.
ajp71
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Quote from sam93 :
I am making the most of my life, I am ok now, I was saying I wasn't when I had my accident. I am over it but I just dont like people saying what happened when they dont know what my injuries are and so on, so drop it now.

Do you not understand? You are over your injuries now, how ever bad they may have been you are far luckier than a lot of people, you still have a future as an able bodied person. You have cost us a lot of money for being an idiot but I am in favour of free medical care at point of access in principle so just have to accept that some people will abuse the system. Now what entitles you to a lot of money? There are a lot of better use for that money, like helping those who aren't so lucky as you for a change?
ajp71
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Quote from sam93 :Well that money you pay then didn't cover my op as it was major surgery I had, 3 different teams working on my head for 6 hours, I class that as major surgery.

So you've already taken tens of thousands from tax payers, the council should sue you for wasting hospital time and tax payers money. It was a bit of a bump but nothing much really, you've recovered from it so get over it. I think a lot of people have a much more mature attitude to life and death and what it means than you. You're lucky in clearly not having lost some of your innocence yet. I've carried a badly injured mate into the back of an Air Ambulance, he finds the whole incident amusing now and was straight back onto the rugby pitch as soon as he could and didn't feel like suing for being high tackled or for a mistake the paramedic made (both valid cases that he could win unlike yours), instead he was eternally grateful like you should be.

Quote from sam93 :You lot dont know the half of what happened so who are you to say what happened and may happen again, annoying me alot now. The sign was illegally placed and I am not going to let compo of up to 80k drop which will help me to start off life on my own.

That is what just pisses us off, as a cash struck student I really don't want to be paying your hospital bill let alone your pocket money fund whenever I actually manage to earn some money (or spend it).
ajp71
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Quote from sam93 :I wasn't going like a lunatic when going around the corner.

So how did you cycle into a sign? Given your story about hitting a stone it proves your too young and immature to ride on the road given that you can't read the road surface and are incapable of controlling your bicycle when you do run something over. Imagine if it had been a car that you had launched yourself into, the poor owner would have the inconvenience of having to peel you off their car. Get a life, your OK (well maybe a bit brain damaged) now and as you have admitted have no medical bills to pay for if you actually had a serious accident you'd consider yourself lucky and get on with making the most of life.

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This isn't about my accident, this is about free running and how to learn it.

You're incapable of running because your internals are falling about the place and you want to start throwing yourself off buildings?

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My Dad will be getting hold of a Barrister to take my case on because comp companies dont want to take my accident on because they dont want to lose work from the Council, it shows that they dont actually put things up within regs.

Or because they don't want to loose? You seriously believe compensation specialists won't sue the council, that it what most of their work involves (although admittedly most is a little less frivolous than this).
ajp71
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Quote from sam93 :What are you on about tax payers money, does that mean I will be taking my Dads and the rest of my family, all my family work, you make it sound like my family live off of benefits.

Regardless of how badly injured you were (and I accept you might have had a bit of a bruise, possibly even a cut) you still cycled into a sign post, which was your fault, and because you weren't wearing a helmet, which was your fault you bumped your head and ran home and cried about it. At no point had the council committed some huge great crime against you, the sign was there before you and it is still there now, I doubt many other road users have issues with avoiding making contact with it. You then sued the council and are trying to wax money out of them, paid for by the tax payer, because they built some solid signs that can withstand an 8 year old not quite off his stabilisers yet (which we paid them to).

How do you come to the conclusion that you are not trying to take tax payers money?
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ajp71
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Take your own food, I know it's a bit inconvinent but the prices have got ridiculous, it was over £6 for a burger at a club meeting the last time I went! If you're going for 3 days you'll want some liquid refreshment, the Green Man (take the A43 Banbury way, then turn right across the dual carriageway after about half a mile) does quite good food, but you'll need to book in advance. The pubs in Silverstone village are much better for drinking in though and within easy staggering distance of the track.
ajp71
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Quote from Intrepid :
All the other classes are just a waste of time if you want to gain the attention of F1 teams.

Bollocks. FPA is £65000 for a season IIRC (and the BRDC have sponsored several drivers through it) Button amongst others came from FPA. Unlike in other series in a fixed format like FPA there is no way you can gain an advantage from extra testing in the car or by spending more on or running a bent car. Of course you'll come back with the usual nonsense about being able to spend a million on a personal trainer, but it is not necessary.

£250000 sounds like a lot for a season in Formula BMW, you could certainly run a competitive car in a national championship for half that and easily get a season from a tenth of that + car purchase cost. Of course people can spend a lot more on lower level formulae but they may as well just buy their way into an F1 drive, as many still do.
ajp71
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It is not a sport for someone wimpish enough to think he was critically injured riding his bike into a sign and then steal tax payers money.

Who are you going to sue this time anyway?
ajp71
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