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ajp71
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Quote from [UKR] Race King :http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=NHrpzJQaQ2c Does this looks overpowered with silly(useless) bodykits to you?

Yes the wings and body kits are rather excessive for the power outputs being produced, especially for 4WD cars, those cars will be significantly disadvantaged from dragging all that bodykit, look at a typical GT grid, more powerful cars, RWD and no where near as much bodywork.

For a typical coupe under 500bhp and RWD (or more if AWD) only a small front air dam and undertray (or complete flat bottom), diffuser and possibly a rear wing are needed, sills should be left standard, definately don't need downforce producing wheel arches, front winglets or rear bumpers.

Before you even think about putting a wing on it or changing any bodywork (especially if body panels are stripped or replaced) a full weld in rollcage should be put in. A full roll cage has multiple pieces of tube to the suspension turrets and subframes (if permissible within rules) as well as a side crosses, a cross on the main hoop, a cross on the back stays (to suspension turrets), roof bars, prop bars for main hoop to roof on both sides of the car, prop bars between front legs and roof on both sides, a bar going under the dash between the front legs and more. Basically lightness is almost as imperritive as stiffness...

After a full roll cage has been fitted, which I don't think any of those cars had, some of the cars only had a trackday (single) or no side impact bar, I didn't see any with a cross on the back stays and most didn't even seem to have a cross on the hoop. Simply put these are not serious competition cars, they wouldn't even meet the minimum safety requirments for circuit racing in a GT class, and any proper racing team will vastly excede the minium requirements.

After rollcage and chassis prep work has been carried out then the next step in upgrading a race car is suspension work, any car that is going to produce serious downforce should have rose jointed suspension, modified track and geometery (within the limits of the regs). After that things like light weight wheels (not the heavy weight chrome 'tuning' wheels that some of those cars were running). After that some pretty serious dampers.

If all of that has been done then maybe it is just about time to add an air dam and small rear wing, most of those cars don't seem to have taken any of the above steps. In fact I wouldn't be suprised if a lot of them aren't running braided lines and the other little things that the tuning crowd seem to not appreciate which differentiates overpowered soft road cars and proper production racing cars.
ajp71
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Quote from bubbles :
According to LFS analyser my rebound damping is optimal, bump at 75% both front and rear. Front 2.36Hz and rear 2.03Hz. Were does this .15Hz minimum rule came from.
It would be under damped if the rear spring rate was higher.
These settings are based on my real car (except for sway bar settings), the rear does incorporate anti-squat so the car will behave differently from a video game, also the game does not take caster into account, springs are F7kg/mm R5kg/mm with re-valved bilsteins.

Recommended base settings from Bob's setup guide. Using the values from your real car is silly, it has a different wheel base, track, unsprung and sprung mass, weight distribution and different tyres to name a few.

Quote :
From your post you dont have a clue what time attack is here, overpowered cars with bodykits????? Were are you getting your information from.

http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi- ... ts.cgi?05/07/2008.ORAN.SL
The guy with the s14 runs a standard turbo. The S200 driver is in V8 supercars. Heres a pic.

http://i74.photobucket.com/alb ... erlap%20July/_AJN6193.jpg

My point exactly, why does this thing (driven by some touring car driver sufficiently insignificant in a series which isn't exactly the pinacle of motorsport for you to not bother mentioning who he is) have a wing, stupidly big front air dam, huge power bulges on the bonnet and a standard interior? Long before the bodywork gets touched the car should be fully stripped and have a full weld in cage to suspension and diff mounts, a properly prepared race car would leave that thing standing.
ajp71
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Quote from bubbles :^^ Im aware that my laps are not great, I havent been playing for almost a year but ill keep those tips in mind, the suspension set up is perfect for the tire being use, shock settings suit the spring rate.

Scatter's post is what I think is occuring.

Your setup isn't 'perfect', the rear spring frequency is too low, it should only be about 0.15hz lower than the front otherwise you'll get an understeery car and you probably want a slightly higher front frequency. The car is under damped at the rear as well.

Quote from bubbles :I own a s15 and have done drift, targa and circuit days and no powerslides is not a faster way through a corner. You follow super lap(time attack japan)? Do you see anyone drifting?

Sliding is faster, especially in cars which don't rely on aerodynamic downforce so aren't adversely affected by yaw. All cars produce peaks in grip at a certain tyre slip angle, this can be over 10 degrees for road tyres. After passing the peak angle the drop off in grip is very slight so even pretty lurid slides can be not a lot slower round low speed corners (where adverse aerodynamic and rolling resistance issues from going sideways are less important) and a lot quicker if otherwise only one end of the car would be near its peak slip angle and therefore producing lots of grip.

Don't use time attack series in any kind of serious discussion about circuit racing, badly prepared, overpowered understeery 4WD cars with silly bodykits and drivers ranging from second rate to comically bad is going to tell you absolutley nothing about what a good driver can do in a well setup low powered RWD car with no downforce.
ajp71
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Quote from lizardfolk :I'm in college which means that any illegal internet activities will be monitored and prosecuted. I cannot afford to do anything that'll give me trouble. (A couple of my friends already got caught but they did torrents).

Torrents themselves are not illegal, so unless the technology is banned by your college chances are you shouldn't get into trouble for downloading legitimate and semi-legitimate/unchallenged torrents like you'll find on Racing Underground or Final Gear, it really is no different to watching it on youtube.
ajp71
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Quote from bubbles :With the XRT on Blackwood track I was strugling to get into the 28's, eventually with some gearing tweaking and swearing a finaly got into the low 28's, saved the reply and in lfs world when uploading I noticed some people did 23's with steering and pedals???

What I would say about your lap (don't take it personally I'm probably the same ):

You're lines aren't very good, press 4 to see the displayed line, good to start with (but don't try and follow it as you drive it is counter productive).

Commit to applying throttle, if you have to lift you're applying it too late, the best lap in most cars requires constant full throttle or full brake for most of the lap. Having to lift off after applying either pedal normally means you're too early in applying it in the first place.

Apply less, smoother steering inputs. Ignore anybody who tells you that you need to be constantly hacking away at the wheel putting in tiny inputs (it is much easier to do this behind the computer than IRL). Especially ignore these people if they start the argument 'Senna did it', you are not Senna and do not possess his car control, and neither do they.

Blip the throttle on downshifts, currently you're lifting off the brake pedal to balance the car, which to state the obvious increased stopping distances.

Turn off steering help and braking help, they're probably partly to blame for some of the jagged inputs and you need to drive the car yourself, you will never be quick with them.


About his lap:

The oversteery bits are really where he is just throwing the car at the track, probably faster but you could never do that reliably and safely enough so even those doing hillclimbs and sprints IRL would never consider such an approach.

He hits every kerb and runs onto every bit of grass that he knows he can, again you don't want to be doing this for anything other than hotlapping.

Locked diffs (like I'm sure he's running) are still too fast in LFS, for conventional cars with independant rear suspension you would never run a fully locked differential in reality, the few examples of this actually being done tend to be either cost saving (Legends and other bike engined cars) or to make something very powerful and otherwise difficult to drive slightly slower but easier to drive for endurance racing (956). Why LFS rewards locked diffs is unclear but I think a lot of it has to do with inadequcies in chassis and LSD modelling.
ajp71
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Without doubt Hamilton deserves to be penalised for not giving position back. Any decent driver (Schumacher, Prost, Senna) would have realised that they were faster than Kimi, so much so that a pass would be easy later on and that whilst Kimi had hung them out to dry (keep your nose clean and you could complain about that) if the best defence you can find is you lifted slightly 'to give advantage back' (set up the pass on Kimi) you really should be shot for it. Both Kimi and Hamilton weaved down the straights, Hamilton has been far worse at doing it in past Grand Prixs than anybody else and never penalised for it.

Personally I think much tougher action should be taken on those who gain an advantage from cut tracking and on those who squeeze people off. IMO weaving and causing unnecessary contact should carry some kind of points penalty and race suspensions for repeat offenders.
ajp71
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Racing Underground has quite a lot of series to download full races of. It is illegal, but unlike music/game downloads I'm sure most of the copyright holders quietly like people watching races, any publicity is good publicity.
ajp71
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Screwfix.com have M5 machine screws and washers. No idea what a number #10 washer is.

Any good hardware store will have M5 machine screws and washers, and if you have one of these nylon washers and can explain its purpose they should be able to find you something that will do instead.
ajp71
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You should be able to get an OEM version of Vista for a lot less than $300 online.
ajp71
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This months Racecar Engineering had quite a bit about next years F1 changes, that is probably about as in depth an article your going to get specific to KERS in F1 given that it is all secret.

The one thing that I think will make KERS pointless from an engineering point of view is the 'novel technologies rule', basically any technology that a team develops that isn't deemed to 'add value to F1 in general' (wtf is that suppose to mean?) will be banned at the end of the season. That in itself is bad enough but the worst bit is the team will then be required to give full technical details of the technology, which surely will result in them innovating in road cars and other formulae so they don't run the risk of loosing IP to the world.
ajp71
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Just checked the graphics card does work in another PC.

EDIT - found the problem, I've bought a 45nm (E7200) processor which won't work despite having the correct FSB speed on the motherboard.
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ajp71
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Found the issue was I had forgotten to attach the graphics card power supply :doh:

Now finding that when I turn it on it all runs but nothing happens on my monitor, the same happens when I remove the graphics card and plug the monitor into the motherboard. Does this look like a motherboard issue?
ajp71
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It is just one long beep as soon as I start it up until I turn it off. I'll have another look at the manual.
Help with booting up a new system
ajp71
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I've just built a new system, when I turn it on there is some loud buzzer coming from it, I have no idea what the significance of this is? All the fans are working.

Motherboard is this one.
ajp71
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The history is worryingly good, I'm sure having everything displayed chronologically like that would be very useful on the occasional time I do use my history, but it is also a bit creepy.
ajp71
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Quote from SidiousX :Don't you think live for speed cars(not single seater/GTR's....) are mainly stock though?

Most production racing cars will have full race clutches (or will be free to do so under rules). Some cars do run completely standard clutches without issue though, excessive wear and heat aren't an issue when racing with a road clutch, the issue is normally having a strong enough clutch to take the power (which shouldn't be an issue with standard engines/stock cars).
ajp71
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Very impressed with it so far, slick and stylish. What I like most though is the desktop shortcut option, it automatically creates a link with the icon and opens the page without address bar/bookmark bar.
ajp71
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Quote from Migz :GTA5 might :|
Hmm seeing as ill probably have this computer for about 5-6 years, maybe i should get 8GB ram? in 5 years im guessing most games/programmes will need quite a high amount of ram.

I think processor and graphics card technology is more likely to hold a computer back in the future than not having that much RAM.
ajp71
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Wear isn't really an issue on a racing clutch, so long as there is nothing wrong with it you should get at least a couple of seasons out of a racing clutch (at which point you'd rebuild it anyway). If the clutch isn't abused excessively the most common thing to go wrong is either for the release mechanism to develop a fault or for the plates to crack during cooling after a race.
ajp71
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I don't see what is so wrong with using the foot brake instead of the handbrake in most situations in traffic. My cars handbrake slackened to the point it was ineffective of holding the car round junctions in Malvern (a rather hilly town), apart from slight increase in clutch wear from the change in driving style and the need to commit more to pulling away rather than arsing about burning the clutch out I don't see anything wrong with it, infact it would probably reduce clutch wear for a lot of people.
ajp71
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This is the only decent oval racing experience you'll find online (with the exception of any remaining N2003 racing and some organised rF/LFS events).

LFS isn't really suited for oval racing, it only has one boring track and no suitable cars for it and the popular pick up servers all have short races with standing starts (which a lot of the LFS oval racers struggle with) and bumpdrafting F1 cars, not really a touch on real short track racing, which I can understand the appeal of (and enjoyed in my brief stint with iRacing)
ajp71
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Quote from duke_toaster :
ajp, as much as 90%+ of your posts are dead on accurate, I wouldn't exactly call Felipe Massa consistant, he's made plenty of unforced errors and span more times than a Dead or Alive record on repeat at Silverstone.

Yes the consistent, quick and professional was about Kubica. Massa is inconsistent but FQ in the right conditions
ajp71
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Quote from BastianB :here some pics got few more, but dunno how to upload.
have a vid too if anyone wants nothing special..

sorry for quality made the pics with my phone.

Wowing the crowd with cardboard women? Must be a geek convention...
ajp71
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A bit more detail would be helpful, a DFP can't beep anyway. Have you tried unplugging it (both power and USB)?
ajp71
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Answer: none of them

Kubica and Massa are the best drivers in F1 atm, consistent, quick and professional, neither of them are up with the greats though and like the lot they seem too clinical and too professional to be exciting.

Hamilton has been billed as a great, now seems to have got smug thinking he is Senna and with a bit of actual competition can't keep it together.
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