Quote from flymike91 :

Also it is hard to make dinner when you have to clear the bomb-making material off of the kitchen counter.

Oh no you di'nt!

Sorry, she's just been cleared of DNA evidence related to the bombs, we'll just see what happens here.

Now, annoying photo evidence just continues to come forward, now I'm sure you all remember Carlos with his hat.
Just to refresh your memory, he's the guy who ( to quote );


" Mr Arredondo immediately sprinted into action after the bombs detonated, and he can be seen in a series of photos and videos of the aftermath rushing to one of the two bombing sites, then pulling debris and fencing away from the bloody victims, clearing the way for emergency personnel to tend to their wounds.

Now, I'm sure that a crisis like this can cause people to be overlooked, however, I do wonder why someone who apparently has had both legs severly injured is left for nearly 3 minutes while less injured people all around him are receiving attention, but this is just yet another interesting actual fact, as opposed to media 'fact' that's coming out about this.

And I'm still waiting for one of you anti conspiracy theory people to actually post information on Operation Gladio, what's the problem ?

Or is it that it match's too closely what happened in Boston ?
And none of you US people remember the Iran Contra affair ? Really ? Oh well, selective memory is an increasing problem .........

Keep on spewin' the bull

Quote from Bmxtwins :

Keep on spewin' the bull

Or facts you don't want to address.

Come on, I've given you a 'Conspiracy Theory' to attack, whats the problem ?

Or is it easier attacking the messenger than it is facing up to facts ?.

I'd love to have a factual discussion, most of the posts here are at the juvenile level of 'your a w@#&$%' I'm still waiting for an intellegent rebutal.

And come on, be a 'man' and post a rebutal on Operation Gladio. It was (is) a US operation after all. Abuse is an easy out, facts require information.

Would you mind explaining exactly what your point about Operation Gladio is, before anyone puts in time to debunk it?

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

Would you mind explaining exactly what your point about Operation Gladio is, before anyone puts in time to debunk it?

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Or facts you don't want to address.

Come on, I've given you a 'Conspiracy Theory' to attack, whats the problem ?

Or is it easier attacking the messenger than it is facing up to facts ?.

I'd love to have a factual discussion, most of the posts here are at the juvenile level of 'your a w@#&$%' I'm still waiting for an intellegent rebutal.

And come on, be a 'man' and post a rebutal on Operation Gladio. It was (is) a US operation after all. Abuse is an easy out, facts require information.

Ever thought of the fact that when something BLOWS UP it creates pandemonium and shock if not anticipated. Maybe that is why our "cowboy hero" didn't respond immediately, or maybe he didn't remember it due to the brain naturally trying to forget traumatic events. That being said I'm pretty sure you weren't there to capture the feel.
ps: Run some spell check on your posts dude

What a thread.

Damn reddit grammar nazi's.

I hold that because Shakespeare had so many different ways he spelt his name my sp issues are irrelivant

And tablets are a b for correct spelling.

And, yes, I did say just that, however, given the number of people around the injured it seems 'strange' that Jeff was left so long, and now there's timed photo evidence supporting my case.

Evidence is what is used to present a case in court, why should it suddenly become 'problematic' when it suggests that the 'official' story presented to you in your media is not the whole story.

I'd like to think that the review/enquiry into the bombing would look at this, what the Craft boys were doing there, who hired them, where were the bomb dogs in relation to the brothers, why backpacks weren't checked, etc etc etc

However, given that 12 years later you still haven't carried out an enquiry into 911 that hasn't been called a tissue of lies by the chair, the chances of a meaningful enquiry into this is nil.

I'll just leave you to chant USA, USA, and sleepwalk happily into the future

In the meantime Ill leave my questions about Gladio open, perhaps someone will manage a simple google search..........

How does a man with both legs blown off even survive several minutes without medical attention? I'd think two severed arteries would allow the man to bleed dry in a very short time, yet he seems pretty lively in that wheelchair, even then with no medical treatment and no loss of blood.

Quote from atledreier :

How does a man with both legs blown off even survive several minutes without medical attention? I'd think two severed arteries would allow the man to bleed dry in a very short time, yet he seems pretty lively in that wheelchair, even then with no medical treatment and no loss of blood.

This.

It's the only thing that doesn't make sense.

Probably makes no sense cause none of us is an ER worker or a surgeon.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Damn reddit grammar nazi's.

I hold that because Shakespeare had so many different ways he spelt his name my sp issues are irrelivant

And tablets are a b for correct spelling.

And, yes, I did say just that, however, given the number of people around the injured it seems 'strange' that Jeff was left so long, and now there's timed photo evidence supporting my case.

Evidence is what is used to present a case in court, why should it suddenly become 'problematic' when it suggests that the 'official' story presented to you in your media is not the whole story.

I'd like to think that the review/enquiry into the bombing would look at this, what the Craft boys were doing there, who hired them, where were the bomb dogs in relation to the brothers, why backpacks weren't checked, etc etc etc

However, given that 12 years later you still haven't carried out an enquiry into 911 that hasn't been called a tissue of lies by the chair, the chances of a meaningful enquiry into this is nil.

I'll just leave you to chant USA, USA, and sleepwalk happily into the future

In the meantime Ill leave my questions about Gladio open, perhaps someone will manage a simple google search..........

Are you incapable of not thinking everything is a conspiracy

An interesting read and analysis of some photographs taken seconds after the blast: http://buelahman.wordpress.com ... believer-or-do-you-think/

Quote from Boris Lozac :

Probably makes no sense cause none of us is an ER worker or a surgeon.

I've shown the pictures to a Afghanistan medic vet. He's told me some pretty graphic stuff about blown off limbs and stuff. He told me that a double amputation like that need IMMEDIATE attention. You will bleed out in less than a minute.

Now, do an experiment: Take a bucket, fill it with 4-5 liters of water and pour it over the pavement.

Also, with such severe bloodloss your skin would be deathly pale and your lips blue. You would also be in shock and passed out. The chap in the wheelchair looks a little confused, but very much alert and rosy in the cheeks. NOT a guy that has spent at least 2,5 minutes, possibly up to 6 minutes bleeding through an untreated double arterial wound.

I'd like to hear a surgeoun or experienced medic explain to me what happened here. Divine intervention?

IIRC in one of the pictures you can see that on his upper leg, tight, there is some sort of strapping. If this strapping is done hard enough to prevent blood from flowing through, he can survive a LONG time with it actually. After 20 mins +- it's crucial to start the blood flow again, since the flesh would start to die from lack of blood/oxygen - but in a case like this it's either his leg or his life I guess.

I might be wrong, but it seems reasonable. In the military we practise a lot with stopping the blood circulation, a simply band / piece of cloth can do the trick if done right.

Quote from U4IK ST8 :

An interesting read and analysis of some photographs taken seconds after the blast: http://buelahman.wordpress.com ... believer-or-do-you-think/

So was he already an amputee, or they 'hid' his real legs?

And who are the people that actually died, Racer can never answer this! Are they really dead, are they alive, what, what's the point, these pictures and actors are there to add to the beliavability of the story and to traumatize people? thinking "look at that! fck you Czechoslovakia, we will bomb you now"??

I'm not sure what to think to be honest, still investigating everything but it's not looking good for the official story once again. If he wasn't an amputee, where are his feet and shoes? Vaporised? I think not... and if the blast did amputate his legs then the sunglasses dude should be covered in blood but he's not, you can see his upper body is clean in the pics of him lying down, he had the amputated leg pointed straight at him at one point... Why would any trained medic take an able bodied female over a double amputee? He was just left there holding his thighs while others got stretchered away, why?

Hmm, well now this is interesting.
But for what reason? Why is it staged then? Who benefits from this?

@ U4IK

I bet 90% of this kind of pictures makes no sense and look like a "conspiracy" if you try hard to find a conspiracy, don't you agree. One thing is a video and beeing there, and other is still pictures..

Well, when I look at something like this I'm not looking for a conspiracy, I'm looking to make sense of it all. Wtf is that sunglasses dude doing? One minute on his knees doing something at the ass of the amputee while the black woman is in between them, next minute he's lying on the ground as if his legs are too injured to stand, it doesn't make sense to me. So that's when I smell something fishy, do you not think that there's something not right with that sequence of images? I have found other things too in other people images from the same time, just different angle. A couple who go to run off but then sit where all the injured people are, there's loads of inconsistencies.

Look here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/h ... 652833509/in/photostream/

Now, look at the woman in the yellow head scarf thing, if you go through the images from right after the blast just watch her and her husband, seems odd to me. Then I found this from what looks like the second blast site: http://cryptome.org/2013-info/04/boston-bombs/pict47.jpg

It's doesn't make sense to me, all of it.

There are wierd images I agree, the strangest one is the glasses guy just chillin there like "sup..."

Jeff Bauman is a friend of a friend and I can assure you he was not an amputee before the bombs went off.

Quote from U4IK ST8 :

Well, when I look at something like this I'm not looking for a conspiracy, I'm looking to make sense of it all. Wtf is that sunglasses dude doing? One minute on his knees doing something at the ass of the amputee while the black woman is in between them, next minute he's lying on the ground as if his legs are too injured to stand, it doesn't make sense to me. So that's when I smell something fishy, do you not think that there's something not right with that sequence of images? I have found other things too in other people images from the same time, just different angle. A couple who go to run off but then sit where all the injured people are, there's loads of inconsistencies.

Look here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/h ... 652833509/in/photostream/

Now, look at the woman in the yellow head scarf thing, if you go through the images from right after the blast just watch her and her husband, seems odd to me. Then I found this from what looks like the second blast site: http://cryptome.org/2013-info/04/boston-bombs/pict47.jpg

It's doesn't make sense to me, all of it.

Why are you, someone sitting at a computer in Ireland, trying to reconstruct realtime events that happened half a world away from a sequence of photos? (Actually photos taken from different vantage points by different photographers.) Why are you so disinclined to trust the established, eyewitness record of what happened that you'll make up theories based on incomplete visual documentation like that?

It's like watching a frame from every third minute of Inception and doubting someone when they tell you the plot of the film.

I'm not as narrow minded as you think... seems like you're afraid to have questions outside the box... I have questions and I'm getting involved in a discussion, what's the problem? It looks suspicious to me. And there's no "established, eyewitness record" of what they were up to. If you have that I'd like to look at it. The only evidence are the photos and videos taken from multiple angles and vantage points and that's what I'm going by. You can't deny what's in the photos... "a picture says a thousand words" and all that. What people say can, and should, always be questioned in times like this.