Psh... neither. I don't need big tall guys trying to be funny. More driving (not this sliding on a runway for the camera crap), more numbers, more competing (not this lets race a plane home from France crap).

Best Motoring ftw!

Psh... neither.

Best Motoring ftw!

Quote from viper-2007 :

and to not waste space with another thread could someone help me with my G25 as i hate it its really twitchy

Before you start driving, spin your G25 wheel all the way to the left, and then all the way to the right. Same with the pedals, press each pedal all the way down before you start driving. You need to do it so LFS can calibrate the end points.

I actually measured the spacing between the gas and brake in my car (Miata/MX-5) and it is almost exactly the same distance on the G25. Since I don't wear shoes for LFS I decided to move them a bit closer.

Yeap, gotta practice.

ARGGHGHHGHGHG heel and toe is so much harder than in real life! Even with a pedal mod.

Nevertheless, yay for realism.

Wow, that's incredibly awesome! Please keep us updated.

Great discussion. I followed what was said here and it seemed to help. The set up I had didn't have a locked diff, but did have a high preload. With the intent of getting rid of some mid-corner understeer I turned down the preload and, BAM, instant PB. The car (FBM) is now adjustable through the turn, which means I can overspeed the entry and still have a hope of staying on the line.

I'm reasonably sure it was the preload change making the difference and not a combination of placebo/practice.

Quote from Polyracer :

Sorry but thats is exactly how it works - its exactly the same with brake fade,
The only difference here is that brake fade can be scary, the harder you press the pedal - the worse it gets.

LFS with brake fade... Now that would be cruel and realistic punishment.

Quote from renfield90 :

If you want to dedicate this program to hardcore folks only, that's your choice. But you will never finish S2 because the cash flow won't be there. If you can't cater this simulation to at least some of the more casual participants then you're targeting too specific an audience and new license purchases will dramatically slow down.

The casual players out there have plenty to of games to choose from aside from LFS.

The "hardcore" group has...? We have nothing definitive. LFS is probably the closest thing we do have. Finally, something for us niche realism guys, and people are trying to complain it all away. As if there aren't enough mass market diluted everything, out there already?

Sigh.

Quote from C40Z :

my first fmb renders :P


full view


full view

greetz caoz

Wow, beautiful! Love the carbon fibre look.

Merry Christmas! Here's 24 GBP. Don't spend it all in one place now.

May LFS continue its pursuit of perfection.

Quote from niall09 :

Well said

Too many pussies around here

Definitely sticky that.

I wish I could slap each and every one of those cry-babies for being such dumb asses. "Wah wah, I don't know how to drive and I'm burning the clutch, wah wah, it's too hard, wah wah". Here, suck it on this you m.f. babies.

Keep fighting the good fight. The Intellectuals shall prevail.

I haven't tried it, but I feel the need to lend my support for the just cause.

The intellects shall prevail.

Sign me up.

Quote from spacedskunk :

Red Orchestra, a sim FPS game...

Firstly, I love Red Orchestra!!! I've never had so much fun playing an FPS where I couldn't kill anybody because I suck.

Quote from spacedskunk :

The thing is though, look at the PS2, one of the best selling games of all time, Gran Turismo 3 is a racing simulator (mild compared to LFS but still). One of the most popular XB360 games; Forza Motorsport, is again a racing simulator. So my debate to you from your statement is that generally a lot more people are into sim racing than you might think, even if these commercial simulators are rather poor in compared to LFS, the fact that these people have gone out and purchased a game that states 'A racing simulator' would mean they are interested in sim racing

Absolutely not. If they were truly into the 'sim' aspect of the game, they would give up GranTurismo (and maybe pick up Enthusia instead.)

The fact is, people buy these things for the shiny real cars. Can't have a Skyline GTR in real life? By one in the game. What made the first GranTurismo so successful was its HUGE selection of REAL cars, and incredibly realistic graphics.

Lemme tell you that LFS is a real hard sell. Generally speaking people don't know what to look for in terms of realism. I've tried pitching LFS at several car related forums, and people really can't get past the toy cars. There's no lust, no emotion compelling these folks to take the wheel. I can tell them about realism until our sun goes supernova, it just goes over there heads. Even to hardcore track nuts (like... real life driving) they can't get past the unrealistic looking cars enough to appreciate the very realistic physics.

Right now, LFS is an average looking girl with an amazing personality. Unfortunately, there are porn stars and super models who are just as available, so the masses flock to them.

I wish more people could appreciate LFS. I just 'discovered' the XRT and with my G25 it's absolutely amazing. That LFS is able to capture so many of the nuances of driving a RWD it blows my mind. Drifting (in the classical racing sense) through the turns with near neutral steering is pure magic when you get it just right. It's just so frakking good.

The Loonie is strong, and 24 Euro is no longer a ridiculous $50. Time to buy.

Quote from 1987SupraTurbo :

Yeah, I'm not riding the "hey man i g2g but i ttyl, jus hit me up on aim yo" bandwagon.

Haha

Yes, thank you! Such a refreshing change. Otherwise I would've just called you liar and left the thread.

Nice car!

Quote from StanleyCarter :

Whats the point of getting a G25 if you're not using it to its full potential?

I vote for Realism all the way.

The problem is neither the clutch nor shifter is realistic enough. The pedal placement isn't good or realistic for heel-toe (the biggest problem), and the H-shifter feels like a toy.

Clutch and H shifting with the G25 is like playing Wii tennis/golf/boxing. All you're doing is gesturing a characature of the real thing.

Everything else about the wheel is absolutely awesome!

Quote from Gil07 :

This is really bad publicity for LFS, I think something needs to be done... But what can we do about it?

Crashers is one problem... lack of racing is another. From my visits to LFSWorld, it seems lack of (open pickup non league) racing is a problem for the demo and S2.

I'd have to say definitely faster in LFS.

But I've been trying to compare the two in my head for a long time now. I've even gone as far as setting up an XRG with the same specs as my own car (spring rates and alignment, hp and weight are already exact). It was still hard to compare, and an XRG-Miata has non of the fun of the real thing. The car feels sluggish and understeery in LFS, but lively and neutral in real life.

Throttle steering the FRs through turns in LFS is an awesome experience. I never try to throttle steer my car on the track in real life. When I'm out there, I stay the hell away from oversteer, and when the car does break loose I'll do my best to smoothly recover. So call me chicken.

Quote from Michael Denham :

If you do try that again, please try to do mine in a slightly Canadianized English accent as I moved here when I was 16...

Will do fellow Canadian Miata driver ( ), will do.

Quote from lizardfolk :

You and I both know the LFS community is mainly a European (and F1 community). There is no need to reiterate that fact.

I try to read posts with their respective accents, but I just can't.

It all ends up sounding all American in my head. Although I do have more luck with the British and Australian ones.

Quote from Gunn :

No, they hate drifters because so many young people with immature behaviour happen to be attracted to drifting. Therefore you see a lot of drifters in the community who are a total PITA, many of whom don't understand what a race simulator is and who often will make suggestions that are irrelevant to the development of a race sim, and they often voice their opinions in annoying ways.
This type of behaviour is not limited to any group of players but manifests itself most often with players who openly support drifting. Therefore an animosity towards that group builds up over time and people form stereotypical opinions about the group as a whole.

Many drifters seem to go out of their way to try and make an issue of the "us VS them" debate, which incidentally, only usually rears it's ugly head when drifters make threads like this one. Many drifters act all victimised when somebody suggests that a race sim should concentrate on developing features pertaining to racing, instead of drifting. Some people seem to take it personally that this is a race simulator and not a drift simulator. It is what it is. Don't take it personally.

It's only natural that some kind of division occurs.

The division here isn't really about the drifting, it's about people's attitudes and behaviour towards a group of people who coincidentally like drifting.

Quoted again for truth.

It's not the drifting, it's the people who do it, label themselves "drifters" as if it's some sort of social category lifestyle choice, and don't bother to use any sort of grammar in their posts.

Quote from Gunn :

No, they hate drifters because so many young people with immature behaviour happen to be attracted to drifting. Therefore you see a lot of drifters in the community who are a total PITA, many of whom don't understand what a race simulator is and who often will make suggestions that are irrelevant to the development of a race sim, and they often voice their opinions in annoying ways.
This type of behaviour is not limited to any group of players but manifests itself most often with players who openly support drifting. Therefore an animosity towards that group builds up over time and people form stereotypical opinions about the group as a whole.

Many drifters seem to go out of their way to try and make an issue of the "us VS them" debate, which incidentally, only usually rears it's ugly head when drifters make threads like this one. Many drifters act all victimised when somebody suggests that a race sim should concentrate on developing features pertaining to racing, instead of drifting. Some people seem to take it personally that this is a race simulator and not a drift simulator. It is what it is. Don't take it personally.

It's only natural that some kind of division occurs.

The division here isn't really about the drifting, it's about people's attitudes and behaviour towards a group of people who coincidentally like drifting.

Quoted again for truth.

It's not the drifting, it's the people who do it, label themselves "drifters" as if it's some sort of social category lifestyle choice. Ugh.

There was a nice "drift" by Yamamoto in the Spyker during Q1.

Quote from keiran :

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OX2rgz6fB9s - 16 sec laps around our track with an average speed of approx 33mph

Oohhh nice, very nice. Man, I miss R/C, though I've never raced. I haven't had my car on a track in years. (Tamiya TA04 Pro, don't laugh yes I know it's old and not hardcore enough)

I have a question though, do you guys regularly brake for corners? And if so, is it anything like braking in full size? As in, brake straight, trail brake, turn. Since my own car is so slow I have never had to brake. Just wondering what the proper technique is.

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

Gun crime is on the rise, the ederly will have no pensions in 5 years thanks to Brown, children have some of the worst living conditions out of all major countries (came something like 64th i think), alcohol and drugs are a huge problem, the NHS is in a serious condition with super bugs due to unclean hospitals...but on the plus side we hosting the Olympics and we have a new football stadium...both horribly over budget, the stadium was several years late and sports facilities are so crap here that I doubt we will even win any gold medals at our own Olympics.

Railways are 50 years old, never run on time. We pay the most tax in europe if not the world, we are constantly watched since we have the highest number of CCTV cameras in europe. We even have bugged wheelie bins to spy on the amount of rubbish we have, so that they can tax us on that too. Its almost impossible to get on the property ladder, we have an extreme problem with debt and teenage pregnancy. They make us pay to drive into London, as if we do it for fun...the only people driving in London are the people who have to do it.

I can go on and on and on, but its still better than most. I just wanted to give some background so you wouldn't think I just hated my country, I do love it, its just frustrating to see how wrong its going.

You see, now that's telling it like it is. Thank you.

No tour guide, tour book, or tour tv program, or friends and family who just got back from a visit a few weeks ago pictures in hand, will tell you what it's like to live there.

I sympathize. Canada is deteriorating as well, IMO.